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The harsh reality... Why Psytrance has become shit

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Paul Eye    457

@Imba: good grief, where's that from?

I smirked at the fact that everyone else just seem to mind their own business :)

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Imba    318

I saw it on facebook, don't know where exactly :)

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K-BAN    30

there is a new video in response to psytrance being shit. I will make a thread.

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Padmapani    405

@rotwang

yup, seems like it.

 

@imba's photo

iirc that was at czechtek 2004. i actually was at the same festival and there were much stranger sights to be seen there. it's also part of the anarchistic idea prevalent at those events to no care about such things.

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darkill    1

@darkill & Padmapani: I believe your disagreement is based on a misunderstanding - correct me if I'm wrong but I think darkill used the word "psychedelic" as a shorthand for "psychedelic trance" as a genre, whereas Padmapani read it as an adjective describing the track. IOW, a track can be psytrance without actually being psychedelic.

Oh yeah, that must be this ! I didn't think he would us Psychedelic as an adjectiv :P

 

Thank you for having clarified this !

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healium    9

I wish more fullon psytrance sounded like this - long build-ups, sick break-downs, killer groovy vibe, tight samples, sound effects way trippier and more original than what you hear nowadays - these tracks and the rest of the album is from 2001, and sounds so much fresher than what I hear nowadays..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9aeXwCoEh4

 

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d.leerium    3

I really had to laugh a lot - all the more so since much of it seems true, from what I've gathered so far. In fact, most of the ten points had crossed my mind before at parties when the more mainstream kind of stuff was playing. The triplets in particular made me laugh: last time I was at a party (my second one of all time, actually), I couldn't help thinking how easily the majority of the audience could be 'tricked' into applauding the DJ and dancing more intensely as soon as such triplet bass lines set in. I found it to be a really cheap trick with little to no musical value, since there was nothing else to catch interest on the musical side.

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darkill    1

I really had to laugh a lot - all the more so since much of it seems true, from what I've gathered so far. In fact, most of the ten points had crossed my mind before at parties when the more mainstream kind of stuff was playing. The triplets in particular made me laugh: last time I was at a party (my second one of all time, actually), I couldn't help thinking how easily the majority of the audience could be 'tricked' into applauding the DJ and dancing more intensely as soon as such triplet bass lines set in. I found it to be a really cheap trick with little to no musical value, since there was nothing else to catch interest on the musical side.

Sur, using only triplet to make public dance is not that good...

But making a dynamic and powerfull Rythmic with the help of triplet can make a really good stuff !

 

As Rotwang said, I think it's more about fact that those triplet are overused

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d.leerium    3

Yes, certainly. I wouldn't argue against triplets as a matter of principle, of course they could also be used to make tracks more dynamic and rhythmically complex, but I haven't heard any such examples so far to be honest.

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darkill    1

Yes, certainly. I wouldn't argue against triplets as a matter of principle, of course they could also be used to make tracks more dynamic and rhythmically complex, but I haven't heard any such examples so far to be honest.

Well, take a hear at this

 

This send you directly to the middle of the track, when tripplets come, but you can listen to the entire song, that's an amazing track !

Look at how the triplet help giving this track a good rythmic. The snare does it very well too !

I don't even speak of the atmosphere of this track...So wonderful !

 

I've had the luck to have seen Zen Mechanics playing it live at Timegate 2012 ! It was fantastic ! It has even been recorded ! If you wan't to see it, it's here

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CoLoUr DoTZ    4

Well, if we take triplets out from modern Psytrance we are then just left with kbbbkbbb basslines........ That would be some serious shit!! :wacko::D

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Paul Eye    457

Not forgetting k-bbk-bbk-bbk-bb and k-b-k-b-k-b-k-b basslines :P

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This video nailed it down. Psytrance has become shit. This is why when I say I listen to psychedelic trance, people think I mean "psytrance", and I say "no, not psytrance as you know it". I only listen to goa trance (old school and neo-goa), to clear things up. These are really different genres.

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Imba    318

Not all. Check our own Martian Arts... modern production with analog synths... exactly how it should be! Or Psilocybian... impossible fantastic music <3

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antic604    502

Not all. Check our own Martian Arts... modern production with analog synths... exactly how it should be! Or Psilocybian... impossible fantastic music <3

 

Agree. Hope Martian Arts releases a full album some day - it's crazily good!

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MrAnarchy    221

Uncreative, repetive nothingness. Its why I stopped going to psy-trane raves although there are some Djs doing a good job of keeping goa alive here and that makes me happy.

I think that the increasing popularity of stimulants is the catalyst for such "evolution" of sound.

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Starkraver    876

Huh! One more supporter of Russian "Drugs and Mafia" killing/controlling the scene ;) looks like I'm right :P

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MrAnarchy    221

Huh! One more supporter of Russian "Drugs and Mafia" killing/controlling the scene ;) looks like I'm right :P

Well I kinda am. I mean Im totally fine with drugs and even though I wasnt there to witness it back then, I reckon they were always present in the scene. Just dont like the direction the scene took and Im pretty sure the repetitivness of sound was the product of the needs of an intoxicated mass. :)
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Cynos    20

Regarding the video, it perfectly describes nowadays' commercial "psy"-trance and, also, that's why I lost some interest towards new prog and psycore stuff.

 

Btw, triplets are good when used properly.

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recursion loop    493

Huh! One more supporter of Russian "Drugs and Mafia" killing/controlling the scene ;) looks like I'm right :P

Russians are always to blame for everything. :)

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