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  1. Phrygian mode + syncopation in melodic lines. Why not? Should it be played with synths instead of guitars with some cutoff/reso tweaking it would sound pretty much like goa. I think some species of metal have something common with goa/psy in terms of melodics and overall mood. I used to be a metalhead myself before switching to electronic music. E.g. these two tracks evoke somewhat similar feelings in me Anyway, you can find some goa flavours in very unusual places (well, this one is more like nitzho but still )
  2. Chi AD for example is transgender. Make of that what you will. Chi AD https://www.discogs.com/ru/artist/12977-Chi-AD Also a genre with track names like "Hallucinogen _LSD" must have absolutely nothing to do with using drugs
  3. XXX individuals? XYY individuals? Mosaic individuals? It's not that simple
  4. Супербист, заканчивай хуйню нести ))
  5. No, that's another dude who was banned at psymusic.ru and now he is polluting Psynews
  6. Yes, it seems that psytrance has pretty much become "sound engineer's" music. At least the mainstream forms of it indeed sound super polished, processed and engineered, often at the expense of musical qualities (imo, of course, but I mostly listen to psytrance at home, and I have much more troubles with finding tracks I actually like among the recent releases compared to, say, 2005-2015. Maybe I'm getting old tho).
  7. I think the actual quetsion may be one of these: "does any really innovative psychedelic music exist?" or "where do I find it" or "when I find it, how do I react to it? do I think it's too weird-ass? too far off from what I'm used to?" Most people who are into psytrance expect it to sound like this and that. So the first reaction to something really different will be "what the f*ck is that? It's not psytrance" (and the same reaction is expected from label heads). Also i guess most artists, when they start making psytrance, are inspired by other artists and want to do something similar. So it's not like 1996 when people were inventing goa/psytrance on the fly and nobody knew what psytrance was and what it wasn't. Other thing is that "being different for the sake of being different" is not always good. I'll take something that sounds familar but is really well executed any day over something that sounds just strange sor the sake of it. I think Cybernetica is different enough but still very good. He is well known on this forum. Some kind of psy-infested dark and epic DnB
  8. Quite a big part of it actually didn't imo. Overall, I can agree that an average psytrance track made in 2019 would probably have less differfences to a track made in 2009 than a 2009 track to a 1999 track but I think the differences are still pretty apparent. Anyways, the longer a genre exists the harder it is to invent something radically new. In early 00s you could add some metallic noises from your brand new Virus B and cut down the melodies a bit and whoah! you you have new sound, nobody did that before. In 2019 it feels like everything has been already done. Also you don't have really much motivation to innovate, you know that people who love psy expect certain sounds and grooves and they will be happy when you throw these sounds and grooves at them Also psytrance, as a genre, very closely follows the development of music production tech. Trying out new sounds, new synths, new processing is basically what drives the development of psy. Todays synth market, especially software synths, feels stagnant and oversaturated, basiclaly two main trends - digital replicas of 70-80's analogue synth classics and wavetable stuff with very clean digital sound aimed mostly at mainstream EDM production, mostly different variations of the same thing. The software synth devs seem to be focused mostly on workflow and GUI in oder to give people more covnenient and streamlined ways to make the same old sounds. I have to admit that I'm too old myself to accept radically new sound though. When looking for new music I mostly enjoy new variations of things I always liked, like progressive, some full-on, some goa. Something really new may actually exist and I've probaly heard it but just didn't like because it sounded way too unfamiliar. This is as far as I can deviate from my comfort zone
  9. I think psytrance has changed a lot over the last decade. Most obivous if you compare the same artists Outsiders 2010 Outsiders 2019 Astrix 2008 Astrix 2016 U-Recken 2006 U-Recken 2019 I intentionally give the examples of the most manstream kinds of psy, they reflect what I think are the trends. A lot has happened over the last 10 years or so, transition from hardware synths to 100% software production (very different sound overall, more possibilities for sonic manipulation, lesser significance of the individual character of the synth, in the 00's it was almost compulsory to use Access Virus and Nord Lead but there is no such thing as "the default psytrance synth" now), evolution from very melodic tracks (second half of the 00's) to minimal (first half of the 10's) to quite busy tracks with lots of synths and SFX but little melodic content (now), some subgenres died, some emerged. Ofc the core concept stays the same - hypnotic bassline, trippy/sci-fi sounds and such but the details change a lot.
  10. No, I don't but you could probably express your thoughts in a bit less bizarre way. Not sure what gays of farting women have to do with minimal drops, maybe it's my lack of imagination.
  11. Superbeast, I can't understand shit of what you are trying to say.
  12. This! I wish more producers would realize this. Sometimes i think that large part of newschool goa is made for people with very short attention span who just skip through few random parts of a track, like "3:15 cool acid, 5:25 yeah, powerful stuff, 6:30 well, some melody, okay must be a cool track... Can't be arsed to listen to the whole thing, time to move on, cat videos won't watch themselves". Progressive is not supposed to be listened like that, you really need to listen to the whole track from the beginning to the end. If the track tells a story that's the only way to actually hear it. Some of my favourite examples. If you just skip to random parts, chances are you won't hear much except for the beat and some random synths or samples but when listented from the beginning to the end these tracks unflold in some inetersting ways
  13. Tatarin is a really very good track but i don't quite get how it may be appealing to people who don't understand Russian and live outside of Russia. It's sort of very local thing. The story behind it is actually almost autobiographical. How Noggano's music managed to leak into the first world is beyond me at all.
  14. 1984 seems now being implemented step by step by my country's government. Seems that people are confusing drop with climax. They are not the same thing. Drop is the release after the tension/buildup, climax is, well... climax. The main point of the track when everything comes together and blows your socks off (or at least supposed to do so... Sometimes it just blows). Climax may happen at the drop but this can make the track sound very predictable. Better tracks tease you with few drops before the climax actually happens Do listen to that EClip track i posted. It has one real climax at 6:30 and multiple drops before it.
  15. Who is that lady? The samples sound downright amazing. Exactly what I want to hear from AP.
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