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true, but I think our music has probably the most ... in other scenes there is not so much crap continuously flooding the market - except the highly commercial pop stuff maybe...

Vibrasphere - Indian Summer

that's called Saiko-Pod ... not Psychopod ... Psychopod sounds so un-creative (besides that is the first time the phrase "psy" is transformed to "sai" ... so applause for that )

wait, wait ... that's not how I meant it ... of course the artist would say yes in that case, everybody would I wanted to say that when they aren't recognised so much they must give their best to get recognised ... once they are recognised they don't have to give their best anymore because they are recognized/are making money already... Try your above case - he will say yes and the label releases his music. And he gets recognised and makes money. But in the future the quality will get worse because the artist got recognised and got used to fame and money and doesn't work so hard anymore because he sees that he can make money with worse tracks aswell ... and so on.

yes, but again it's the motivation factors they must release their best stuff, otherwise they will not get discovered ... so they do give their very best...

italo disco? whenever I hear the words "italo disco" I must think of crap like this: The thread title irritated me...

the reason for that are different motivation factors Artists that release stuff for money have this money as a motivation factor (which is an EXTERNAL motivation factor) - artists that know they don't get any money have different motivation factors - an inner urge to release the stuff to the public (which is an INNER motivation factor). INNER motivation factors are always better than EXTERNAL ones. The stuff produced with inner motivation factors will always come from your heart, your true heart and not because you want the money. That's the reason. Of course you can say now things like "the artists should not see the money they get as a motivation factor but as a reward" ... but only few are doing that ... as you see.

both, but more of the melodic style... the stuff with which I got into the whole goa thing was melodic goatrance only ... Dimension 5, AP & others. But then I got to see Koxbox live and that somewhat disrupted the "melodic only" thing. That Koxbox sound flashed me too and nowadays when I hear it again I also have to think of the past. But generally the melodic style flashes me more.

S-Range

SBK - Mitleid Express this song title - the mere title - is so genious it has become a regular word for me to use for those depressive kiddie teenagers ... like "naaah man, on that goth party there's just Mitleid Express, I won't go there..." others: Bitmonx - Morgenlatte (english people will probably never get this one ) Defolder - Arschbiss (arsebite ... also becoming a regular used word) Sonus - Reisefieber (I often have that) Ticon - The Clown Smells Like Gasoline (just geniously weird!)

the later stuff kinda has become it indeed Metabolism or Shodan for example... But songs like Analog Device, Blue Noise, Digital Thought, Generator, Pure Reality, Seismic Charge, Strange Planet ... and more ... they aren't morning nor light - at least not to me. They are not psycho dark and give me nightmares, no, but they are definitely not happy and that ... rather darkish progessing, you know. And if you look closer at fullon then you will see that it is like that as well ... it only has become too generic, but it's generally a bit darkish and not bright. Not dark like real dark psy, it's not trimmed on darkness by itself, but it's tuned on aggression in the sound and agression in the sound can be achieved easily (and the commercial artists of nowadays mostly prefer the easy way) by keeping the overall atmosphere and effects used rather not on the bright side, you know. At least in my opinion ... I hear the sound not as bright and happy but as aggressive and a bit darkish. I'm not saying oldschool used bright effects - they are also on the dark side, but due to the overall magical sound it has more of a "explore the depths of your mind"-mystical atmosphere... On the other hand - maybe I'm percieving that as dark what other people would describe as "psychedelic" ... ?

There's much dark out there in the psy world. Noma, MOS, Zerotonine, Haldolium, Quantum State, Para Halu, Grapes Of Wrath, BOTFB, X-Dream... Even Etnoscope is sometimes dark, driving in its own way. Or Silicon Sound. Silicon Sound is also rather dark for me - with some exceptions, but in general... Or Saiko Pod. Some of that's dark too. Pretty actually. Magnetic Force, Tron, Pling Pong... Actually all Psytrance - the real Psytrance - is actually rather dark-ish for me in itself! With some exceptions, but in general it is so. Only the new modern scando or progressive sounds have another vibe - a housy, happy, clubby and melodic one, but not dark...

-> I think it's too early to say something ... come on, people, it's just the beginning of September, we still got another third of a year to go! I still expect killer releases by Carbon Based Lifeforms and Etnoscope (and S-Range )! So let's be patient

Shpongle - Around The World In A Tea Daze (Ott Remix) Faithless - God Is A DJ (Astral Projection Remix) Feuerhake - La Aurora (Sweat Attack Remix) Front 242 - Headhunter 2000 (Frontline Assembly Remix)

I'd just call it "luck"... But then again I'd see this as proof that there are no coincidences. Just when the music gets shitty the party is closed. Not an hour before, not an hour after. Just at that point. Interesting.

"MADRID Various shops with DJ supplies Address : calle las Palmas. A little north of Mercado fuencarral in calle fuencarral Comments : There are a few DJ shops in this street with some Goa on CDs and lots on Vinyl." guess where I have that from: http://web.archive.org/web/20040613021220/...ww.psynews.org/ -> goa shops -> spain

Good trance music don't need vocals ... maybe a bit experimenting with voice or using samples, but no real singing tune ... that's so awful...

haha, funny ... I know more than half of the artists names as local DJs That's actually cool because this compilation is full of local artists' creations. Samples not bad either...

Dark Soho? What I saw them doing wasn't much live except one guitar layer put over the tracks... Okay a bit was done with the synth too ... but not that much

true

The point is, I still love the music the artists make. And that's why I go there, to see them perform their music and to dance to it and catch good vibes. There is nothing that "gives me more in the long run" at the moment ... what should it be? Other music styles? Well, yes, there are some other that I like, but their concerts/venues are even harder to come by. So what shall I do? Other than going on like I do now and going where I like to go I can't do much. I believe my musical preferences will switch a bit away from psy (meaning also other electronica) in the future anyway ... but it will still forever play a role in my life. In 5 years I see me still listening to psy and stuff, but only going to a party once or twice a year, when some artist that I really wanna see comes here

and that's what I meant with the drug half-joke there above ... yes, you can't blame the drugs, but the people... And this is something I agree with. As much as you bitch and moan, you can't change a thing and you just contribute to an overall worse vibe. The only thing I can do against the crowds and their horrible music taste of now is just not to go to venues where this music is played and just to go out of the way of such people. Just as I don't go to RnB venues, because I don't like RnB ... there is no real other alternative. Although I still hate Skazi, Ass-kimo, Arsetricks and their minions

I don't hate my life away In fact I don't even care so much. But I'm of the opinion it's rather more reasonable to question who's sitting closer to the root and producing the shit than to question the people that eat it. Blaming the crowds is not really leading anywhere either because there are enough candy ravers out there who would be satisfied with even less intelligent music, so you can always go further towards the bottom...

I'd like to have the basic arranging of the layers done live (not just button on the lappy and then playing a layer on the synth and doing even this crappy) ... and maybe - where it's possible - a bit of tweaking/improvising or playing some melody on the synth. That would be what I want. I don't want the one-man-projects to perform wonders, I know they're limited ... so a smooth basic arranging so that there at least a few possibilities to alter the tracks and a bit of playing around and I'm content. Well, the reason for me to go out on a party is because I want to see an artist performing a set, presenting new tracks, new ideas, whatever. I don't go anymore because of music/atmosphere and not caring who and what is played ... I did that in the beginning where I just liked to be there at a psy festy, but I stopped that. Nowadays I only go on a psy festy because I wanna see a certain artist perform, there's no other reason ... haven't been to local DJ only shows since 2 years ... I just don't find that attractive anymore.

Yes, the crowds are actually worse than the artists playing the awful music. But who was responsible for intitially CREATING the awful music? Always the ARTIST, never the crowd! The initial command to this downfall was given by an ARTIST! The crowd just followed! I concentrate my hate about everything - about the crowd, the awful music, the commercialisation of the scene and the loss of the magic - on one thing: the person on stage playing the crap! Even though he's just part of the system and not the root of the evil. In truth the drugs are responsible. For they make people become those brainless zombie crowd followers! (that was a joke ... but meant with a grain of truth )