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Yeah, I do know ... every Carbon Based Lifeforms track I know (and that is nearly everyone) is great work But the teaser is only presenting such a short excerpt of each track which makes getting into it hard and the experience lacks ... some of them sound indeed quite good, yeah, but overall this thing didn't really kick me off the chair as I expected, you know. Anyway, I'll wait for the full one

ach, you mean this one ... I thought you meant a real big one yeah, you're right though, that one isn't impressive. but I know CBL ... they are my favourite ambient group, they won't be shit, I know it ... I put my trust in them

audio piece?!?!? where, where???

Good News!!! thought I'd share that: http://www.ultimae.com/en/releases/208/index.html

Absolutely right. But I understand the other guy ... DJ stands for "DiscJockey", meaning a person that mixes tracks from discs (yeah, vinyl is also a disc in this case - a bigger one, but nevertheless). Strictly seen you shouldn't include laptops or other stuff - it must be discs (and no harddisks!). In the future I think this word should adapt to the modern world ... like MJ ("MultimediaJockey") or whatever... BTW, "Jockey" sounds damn gay

I know every DJ set will be unique (and it better be like that, because the uniqueness is good!), but you can't deny you have a style, a general vague prediction what kind of music style the audience can expect when you make a set. For example I doubt that DJ Slater from Tribal Vision will suddenly come up with killargh Skazi fullon blast when he normally spins totally different stuff And you might be right, the main problem probably lies more in this "same formula" thing of the music, which basic elements are easy to copy for wannabes...

Argh ... Ritual Om, you bastard! Yes I've heard of a Twisted party but didn't check out the lineup (why should I bother when I can't go to London anyway) ... now thanks to you I did and now I envy all that go there and hate myself for not living there. That's probably the last chance to see the legends and I can't Thanks for making me want to jump out of the window today, Ritual (just kidding, mate ... but I now really pity not being able to be there...)

no... no, seriously... I hate that track You know what I think is a good fullon track? Space Buddha - Acid Prophecy. Kicks. seriously

this is Psynews, my friend (almost) fullon-free territory

I don't know who it was, but I definitely saw once such a laptop guy. Came on the stage, plugged his laptop in, logged on, pressed a few keys and that was it. Music was playing and tracks were mixing, he didn't do jack shit. Was just standing there, almost dancing. It was just boring. And the music was fullon ... lame, cheesy and overplayed. This was the worst DJ gig I ever saw. To avoid this in the future I since try to come to the parties shortly before the liveacts start to play and leave immediately afterwards. Don't care about the DJs anymore unless I know their peculiar sound and go there because I want to hear their sets (and then I don't even mind if he just plays it from the lappie, I wanna hear the music and am curious for what new tracks he will spin)... And Krell, you're right, the software makes things easy and lets room for the DJs to focus on other things and be more creative and make even richer sets. All good, really, but on the other hand it also opens the gates wide for posers who don't have a clue and litterally can only press a button and let the software do the rest and try to be cool when they in fact can do nothing (and even then they make mistakes like they press a wrong button and the sound suddenly is gone and they just can shrug their shoulders ... not very impressive) - and this is something I clearly do not want.

Sounds interesting. You will make big list will ya? you like Ulver so much that you keep it? You should buy one of those:

nice I don't think they can sue you for copyrights - as long as you don't openly sell them at least. If they're just for you I wouldn't worry

Ask them if they know about the sniffing proggie Ethereal

Absolutely seconded And I would add Tegma - Around The World In 80 Minutes (Tribal Vision) to the list too! Well, these three. Those are my best of 2006 of now. Nothing more. And as S-Range's new piece will most likely wait for a release forever I don't think anything will be added until the end of the year either. Case closed for me

wow, this is a great link ... it's exactly the sound I searched for ... I love Tribal Vision ... you just made my afternoon

seconded

The bassline is not what annoys me so much. I even like some fullon stuff - and it has that bassline: Silicon Sound for example ... Pure Analog was good! The reason why I am so annoyed by Fullon nowadays is the overall kiddie naive atmosphere that comes with it! The stupid vocals, the overplayed effects, the annoyingly naive melodies! I mean, last time I was on a psy party and they were playing this commercial fullon I was thinking I was on a fucking SCOOTER venue running at double pitch or something like that (and I even insult Scooter when I compare it this way, because Scooter are still bad in a funny way to me, this is just sad though)! It was AWFUL! This was not psy! This was even worse than the by me so hated chav trance music I used to listen to before I came here! Horrible! At that moment the overplayed bassline was the lessest evil to me, I tell ya! I'd be as happy as I can be if the melodies and effects are decent and intelligent and if there are no vocals. That's heaven for me - in times like those

Yeah, that's some good work, Xerxes ... I remember that recommendation about a year ago or so. Prage is your best song imo ... still like it a lot

The latest one now has been Disastrous Murmur. Yesterday! It was a really cool show I must say ... I actually liked their stuff very much for me actually not being into this type of Death Metal/Grindcore music! The stuff was so trashy and had groove, it really got me going. And the grunting was just fun. Seriously positive surprise for me! And the best thing is that the show was for free because it was their new album release party! In the basement of some metal bar here in Vienna ... they really rocked ... even the sound was very okay because of good equipment (that's very unusual for free shows, you know, normally you only get deaf 'n' drunk) ... and it was a very cosy and close atmosphere, just like real underground. Liked it very much! And I also got pretty drunk. Have had a bad hangover today

That was Echotek. Last month. On Earthdance day. Was quite nice, although already very close to fullon. And the DJs before and after him were only playing ultra terrible kiddy full on. I was so lucky to live near the location ... I knew the music would be awful and only wanted to see Echotek, so I slept until past two in the night, then got up, dressed and went to the location. I was there at half past two, Echotek should play at three. I spent the half an hour of awful kiddy full on ("We gonna run, run, run to the cities of the future..." - yes, they played it - a fullon version of it!) to get drunk. Then finally Echotek came. I thought if I wouldn't see him this time, next time he'd most likely only be even more fullon, so I went. And yeah, it was quite nice - nice visuals I must say, the VJ did a good job, it was in sync to the music and effects Three hours was the Echotek set, I left immediately afterwards.

Ultimae and Dakini most essential ones for me

The point that for most people the scale starts at 6 is a good one. It's true. An album that would get 1 or 2 or 3 out of 10 on my scale I could never be arsed to write a review about anyway! And a 10 on my scale is impossible to get. Not even S-Range - Space gets it ... and do you know why? Because I have to leave out some room for something even better to come!

The last concert I have been to was a festival: 4 bands for 4 Euro. Sounds nice (you pay 1 Euro per band -> cheap), but it was ... well ... for nothing. I didn't like it. Ended up squatted in a dark corner of the hall with the mates and drinking the beer we had smuggled in. Only the last band was a bit better: Ska. Still not that good stuff (have seen a lot better ska), but everybody fas so fed up with all the shit that the bands have been before so they gave it themselves like it was a super mega star on stage - mosh pits and all the like ... haha

Yes, you're right about the first point, in my current situation I too am fulfilling the role society expects from me (studying to go working one day and such...). And it's not impossible for me to be into the music just because I like it. I was just thoughtful, you know ... because either people don't know at all about this stuff or they do know and say "ah, isn't that shit the stuff where all the people take drugs to? And you do that too?" and then I have to explain them all over that it's absolutely completely about something totally different and that I'd never take drugs to that music and all that. And then they regard me even queerer, for it's obviously strange that a sober person can endure this stuff. And there can be already the first thoughts: "is there something wrong with him? Why does he do that? Why is he sober? He isn't sober. That dude is on something. But what?" But when it's the truth and this is really the only music I am totally interested in (apart from Finnish Humppa Metal, but you get even more strange looks when you mention that )...? Ah, what the hell. I was just in a more thoughtful phase here (especially the one about what the others could think ). It's really not that bad with me. Or with others. But you can't deny that the danger is there, that you dig yourself so into this extreme music and use it as an "escape" you practically lose the plot in reality. Especially when the real world out there isn't so bright like your music. And then you could end up as "crazy" or as "freak", at least looked at like that by society. I guess it just depends on the balance after all. I don't wanna walk in line with the idiots out there who think they have the right to decide what's normal and what not. But I also don't wanna be only looked at as "freak" by everybody once when I'm 40 or so, you know? I was just thinking about that ... that if you really listen so long to this stuff that you go crazy. And some people do! But well... Mh yes, this is kinda my situation. I can't really talk with anybody - except the people from here - about the psy stuff I listen to. Either people have no clue and don't even know what I'm talking about ("what? you like techno?") or they listen to "psy" themselves, but either they are fullon junkies or they are so extreme I just can't talk with them. Maybe I should stop it. Can't really talk about it with anybody anyway. And dig a bit more into other music styles, because those are the ones I don't understand. Which brings us to this "prolonged exposure to electronic music in years of development"-issue again. I don't understand this other stuff. I'm a musical legasthenic. I don't get classical or jazz, can't follow with my head. And I don't get depressive rock with my mind. I just don't get it. I do not not like it, I don't get it! Like "???". Which brings me back to the question: am I a freak or not? Ach well... I'd be glad when I'm like 35 years old and when I'll have my little psy and ambient collection which I'd occasionally dig out in the future to listen or relax to a few tunes and when I'll sometimes, when some really good and promising liveact is coming, attend some party ... like once or twice a year. And the rest of the time and effort I'll listen to smooth new jazz or classical or whatever and relax with my family

well, yes and no I rather may put it that I have fear that others might regard me as a loser. Now, don't think I'm so fake and always do and say what other people like to see so that they classify me as normal, it's absolutely not like that. In fact I never cared, I never cared what other people thought, it even gave me some kick when I realized I was different to all those "mainstream morons" out there. Nothing bad about that. Back then. But now it somewhat got to my mind, that if I may continue in this "extreme" (Pedro put it nicely: "alternative") way I might literally end up alone in a hut in the mountains in the end. Astro said I can't blame the music for everything. Well, that's only partly right. In my case the music was an important element why I used to become like I am now - because nobody else listened to the music and dismissed it as "utter repetitive crap" I stood very alone in the field and regarded the others as morons (back then, very far back then). I was not giving a shit what they thought and went on on the electronic path. Later on I began to open up and try to understand the others and the music they listened to, but it never really worked, not even now although I try to be tolerant and even have found for myself some other music styles that I like. Still I am of the opinion that due to this long time exposure to electronic music in its various forms, which has started already more than ten years ago with me, has influenced my life so much and also through years of the development of my body and my senses that I meanwhile think that I can already say that this stuff has influenced my brain. No, not like brainwashing or anything like that, maybe far more subtle, but I think it's there. I have gone through my teenages with this music - and only this music in the beginning ... it was first eurodance, then trance and techno, but it was the same family of music: rhythmic, monotonous, entrancing beats. Kinda. When you are only exposed to this form of music through years of development of your own body, senses, opinions, understandings and whatnot I think there is very well a certain way you develop. Not like brainwashing and anything like that, far more subtle, but you get slowly formed into one direction. And then you get a certain mindset, you know. This is not bad in itself at all as you still enjoy everything and all that, all well. But now when you suddenly are confronted with other music, it does't fit your mindset that well and can never become what electronic music is for you. You know, I sometimes really can not understand other forms of music - pop, rock, classical (especially classical, I already said that more than once on here) and also jazz and stuff. And that not even after prolonged exposure or whatever. I really can't understand or feel the music like other people - just like they cannot "get" my music, you know. But sometimes I'd really like to understand the other forms of music too... And it's not only the music, it's the whole mindset that comes with it - and this is also the reason why I connect all the thinkings I have about this issue with the music. Especially unsanity, which is common in our scene (rather, even the fake poser hippies preach it (at least they preach)) - be it in an artistic way or just that the people have a lot of fantasy or that ther minds are damaged by the drugs - quickly hits borders to freak labelling with others. Seen from that point we are extreme - in our own way. And this extremity is - at least with me - not fully compatible with others. And you know, I don't wanna be the person that always has to take care what he says. That's not freedom for me. I don't enjoy that. And yet it is so ... with people out there I have made the experience that when I care what I'm saying and really only say "normal", "unextreme" things people actually regard me as a quite nice guy ... but when I start saying something uncommon, for example that I like to listen to psychedelic (it's already a mission for life to explain them the word psychedelic and what you actaully mean and that you are not taking drugs (which makes you appear even more crazy)) music - uuuh, oh, ticket to normality lost, welcome to being labelled as "queer". I don't wanna appear queer or strange by default. And I don't wanna have to take care what I am saying. You get me?