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Yes, you're right about the first point, in my current situation I too am fulfilling the role society expects from me (studying to go working one day and such...). And it's not impossible for me to be into the music just because I like it. I was just thoughtful, you know ... because either people don't know at all about this stuff or they do know and say "ah, isn't that shit the stuff where all the people take drugs to? And you do that too?" and then I have to explain them all over that it's absolutely completely about something totally different and that I'd never take drugs to that music and all that. And then they regard me even queerer, for it's obviously strange that a sober person can endure this stuff. And there can be already the first thoughts: "is there something wrong with him? Why does he do that? Why is he sober? He isn't sober. That dude is on something. But what?" But when it's the truth and this is really the only music I am totally interested in (apart from Finnish Humppa Metal, but you get even more strange looks when you mention that )...? Ah, what the hell. I was just in a more thoughtful phase here (especially the one about what the others could think ). It's really not that bad with me. Or with others. But you can't deny that the danger is there, that you dig yourself so into this extreme music and use it as an "escape" you practically lose the plot in reality. Especially when the real world out there isn't so bright like your music. And then you could end up as "crazy" or as "freak", at least looked at like that by society. I guess it just depends on the balance after all. I don't wanna walk in line with the idiots out there who think they have the right to decide what's normal and what not. But I also don't wanna be only looked at as "freak" by everybody once when I'm 40 or so, you know? I was just thinking about that ... that if you really listen so long to this stuff that you go crazy. And some people do! But well... Mh yes, this is kinda my situation. I can't really talk with anybody - except the people from here - about the psy stuff I listen to. Either people have no clue and don't even know what I'm talking about ("what? you like techno?") or they listen to "psy" themselves, but either they are fullon junkies or they are so extreme I just can't talk with them. Maybe I should stop it. Can't really talk about it with anybody anyway. And dig a bit more into other music styles, because those are the ones I don't understand. Which brings us to this "prolonged exposure to electronic music in years of development"-issue again. I don't understand this other stuff. I'm a musical legasthenic. I don't get classical or jazz, can't follow with my head. And I don't get depressive rock with my mind. I just don't get it. I do not not like it, I don't get it! Like "???". Which brings me back to the question: am I a freak or not? Ach well... I'd be glad when I'm like 35 years old and when I'll have my little psy and ambient collection which I'd occasionally dig out in the future to listen or relax to a few tunes and when I'll sometimes, when some really good and promising liveact is coming, attend some party ... like once or twice a year. And the rest of the time and effort I'll listen to smooth new jazz or classical or whatever and relax with my family

well, yes and no I rather may put it that I have fear that others might regard me as a loser. Now, don't think I'm so fake and always do and say what other people like to see so that they classify me as normal, it's absolutely not like that. In fact I never cared, I never cared what other people thought, it even gave me some kick when I realized I was different to all those "mainstream morons" out there. Nothing bad about that. Back then. But now it somewhat got to my mind, that if I may continue in this "extreme" (Pedro put it nicely: "alternative") way I might literally end up alone in a hut in the mountains in the end. Astro said I can't blame the music for everything. Well, that's only partly right. In my case the music was an important element why I used to become like I am now - because nobody else listened to the music and dismissed it as "utter repetitive crap" I stood very alone in the field and regarded the others as morons (back then, very far back then). I was not giving a shit what they thought and went on on the electronic path. Later on I began to open up and try to understand the others and the music they listened to, but it never really worked, not even now although I try to be tolerant and even have found for myself some other music styles that I like. Still I am of the opinion that due to this long time exposure to electronic music in its various forms, which has started already more than ten years ago with me, has influenced my life so much and also through years of the development of my body and my senses that I meanwhile think that I can already say that this stuff has influenced my brain. No, not like brainwashing or anything like that, maybe far more subtle, but I think it's there. I have gone through my teenages with this music - and only this music in the beginning ... it was first eurodance, then trance and techno, but it was the same family of music: rhythmic, monotonous, entrancing beats. Kinda. When you are only exposed to this form of music through years of development of your own body, senses, opinions, understandings and whatnot I think there is very well a certain way you develop. Not like brainwashing and anything like that, far more subtle, but you get slowly formed into one direction. And then you get a certain mindset, you know. This is not bad in itself at all as you still enjoy everything and all that, all well. But now when you suddenly are confronted with other music, it does't fit your mindset that well and can never become what electronic music is for you. You know, I sometimes really can not understand other forms of music - pop, rock, classical (especially classical, I already said that more than once on here) and also jazz and stuff. And that not even after prolonged exposure or whatever. I really can't understand or feel the music like other people - just like they cannot "get" my music, you know. But sometimes I'd really like to understand the other forms of music too... And it's not only the music, it's the whole mindset that comes with it - and this is also the reason why I connect all the thinkings I have about this issue with the music. Especially unsanity, which is common in our scene (rather, even the fake poser hippies preach it (at least they preach)) - be it in an artistic way or just that the people have a lot of fantasy or that ther minds are damaged by the drugs - quickly hits borders to freak labelling with others. Seen from that point we are extreme - in our own way. And this extremity is - at least with me - not fully compatible with others. And you know, I don't wanna be the person that always has to take care what he says. That's not freedom for me. I don't enjoy that. And yet it is so ... with people out there I have made the experience that when I care what I'm saying and really only say "normal", "unextreme" things people actually regard me as a quite nice guy ... but when I start saying something uncommon, for example that I like to listen to psychedelic (it's already a mission for life to explain them the word psychedelic and what you actaully mean and that you are not taking drugs (which makes you appear even more crazy)) music - uuuh, oh, ticket to normality lost, welcome to being labelled as "queer". I don't wanna appear queer or strange by default. And I don't wanna have to take care what I am saying. You get me?

I know for myself that I don't need to get told by people what to like and what not ... I am like I am for nearly 22 years now. But you know, it's something pretty disturbing when you finally ask yourself "who is actually taking me serious?" ... pretty very few people that are. In my case.

Eum ... that post was in no way meant to be an insult ... sorry if anybody feels offended. I didn't want to say that all long-time psytrance listeners are losers or have problems with women or whatever ... after all I probably might become one of those aswell. But it quite sums up my opinion about people that still are hardcore into extreme stuff after several years. Because if you are so long into it you become "extreme" for yourself (let's not call it loser, for that's discriminating, let's call it "extreme", okay?) - if you want it or not. (And yes, you who read this right now ... maybe you are already "extreme" as well, but don't realize it, because it has become "normal" for you...) You know, if somebody came to me stating he/she's 35 and listens to this stuff since more than 15 years and is so into this and that substyle and whatnot and starts trying to talk with me about latest developments here and there I surely think this person must have some sort of issue - and with "issue" I do not only mean problems or that he/she's a loser (that was pretty harsh up there I admit, but it stands there with a purpose as I didn't address all that to psychedelic music listeners only), maybe he/she's just "crazy"/"extreme" because the brain works in a different way to "normal" (some of you don't like this word, those please read it as "un-extreme") people. I mean think about it, when a person knows everything here and there about latest developments and can tell me this and that and even more when he/she's neither a DJ nor a producer (because then it would be kinda required to have such knowledge) then I can most certainly be sure that he/she is investing a lot of time to stay up to date here and there. That in itself is not wrong, but now let's think about why the person invests so much time when he/she could do other things in the time instead - working, going out, socialize or whatnot. I know I must be careful with such statements for I do not want to declare everybody who knows a lot about one style of music as insane. But now imagine this: a person is about 40 years old, works as a banker, has a family, children, maybe pets and his body is in good shape - a "normal", "un-extreme" person from everyday life, okay? Now if such a person would start to chat with me about latest developments here and there in the underground electronic scene and coming up with details whose to find out you really gotta invest much time then I ask: how can this man bring job, family, friends and all the rest of his normal life under the hood as well when he invests so much time in only this specific underground music? Well, okay, he has a passion, problem solved - or no? Closer looks show that maybe it's not that easy. If this dude was really banker and has a family and has children and pets - that requires quite a lot of time, doesn't it? Remember that this dude probably also wants to relax after job and such ... so it's not that easy - when you have this kind of life your timetable isn't so free you can hang around in the internet checking out the newest records for hours. Or can you? Only solution would be: he only cares for this style of music and no other and dismisses the other styles because he only likes this and only loves this and this is his passion and nothing else. But such people who dismiss other music styles are not my favourite talking partners. Of course that was a rather bad example, but the core of what I wanna say is that if you have a normal life you normally don't or have rather rarely time for this kind of stuff. okay, okay, I already dropped the point with "loser" and "problems in life", I saw that I had gone too far with that statement, I don't know the people, so I have replaced it with "extreme". And Seraph, yes, you are extreme too. "As part of the crazy, insane, underground crowd", "I turned UNSANE from such hardcore influence" ... that's extreme and you can not have n argument about that. But that is the point. When I come to my classmates and start talking about that I'm "unsane" or whatever they make big eyes at me and point at their forehead - because I'm not normal. I'm extreme and these people aren't used to it. You are. But that doesn't change the fact that this stuff appears extreme to other people, "normal" people (I know, I must be careful with the word normal, but I'm using it here). You are a freak in their eyes! and that will not bring you further ... it will bring you further in your own circle of other extreme people, but only there, nowhere else. Other people out there will regard you as crazy, as a "You need to get your head examined"-person. But it's all good. Maybe some people even want it like that, I can't be bothered. But I'm bothered about me! I don't want to become extreme and yet are it already! Yes, my dears, people are not taking me serious anymore, they are looking at me as a freak sometimes! And no, I don't want that anymore. I can't be the freak! I want to become a SERIOUS, NORMAL, UNEXTREME and SANE person, without any issues or others looking at me weird when I tell them what music I like! Because the older you and the people you talk to are getting, the more weird looks you will become! Because as I said already above, normal people don't have time for this kind of underground stuff!

mh, yes, yes ... there still is the (not very big) group of people who really do it for the music, who love the music and nothing else and who do neither have major problems in society or anywhere else and who manage to stay sane ... many skilled artists who actually produce the stuff are in that group too. Although still, a certain crazyness you must have acclaimed by the scene when you are in it for long - and even if it's only the mind damage that the drugs did to you, there is something. I still am of the opinion that the people who really are in the scene for 15 years or longer have more or less some issue - may it be with their sanity or with anything else, even when it's hidden. Also many of the artists. You just can not deny the fact that prolonged exposure to this kind of extreme music has a major influence on you and your mind. For example I really think Posford is a very crazy man ... and if he hadn't the music to channel his insanity into something good and stay somewhat sane in society (I'd say) he'd be one of those freaks that get their daily haldol or whatever zombie drug dose to be able to cope with life (or maybe he gets? I'll ask him in Febuary ). Nothing against anybody, but somehow I think like that.

you must be insane that's the key and I'm dead serious about it! No, really. Look in the various other scenes of extreme music (and psytrance is undoubtly extreme music, extreme and underground - to an extent where it's well comparable to other sick stuff out there) ... all the people that go to the parties are young! There are rarely people over 30 or 35 hanging around there anymore - or wait, not that rarely, but all the older ones are freakin' crazy! And why? Because usually they change their lifestyle to something normal, something sane and only listen to some psy at home occasionally anymore - crazy and open you are only at a younger age until you become assimilated by society. People that are extreme or insane or whatever can't manage to switch over to something normal or be assimilated by society, they stay hardcore to their scene until they die or so ... and such people are not sane - in my opinion at least. They are actually mostly losers in everyday life (can't cope with women or whatever and have a miserable work) ... okay, maybe that was too harsh, but you know a bit what I mean - they are generally not satisfied in real life and try to compensate this by "feeling elite" and going to underground parties/underground music. This argument is not only valid for psytrance, but for most other extreme music out there as well. The people that are really in the scene for a long time, they get crazy. And that's why all of this extreme music is actually not good if you see it from that point. But there's the problem that I can't stop listening to it anymore... I hope in 15 years I won't listen to psy or other extreme music anymore - or only very, very rarely. And I'm serious! For my own sanity.

1 to 5. Sometimes there's a real breakout though and then it's 10 or more or so ... but that is seldom. The ingredients for an incident like that are drastically low prices for really good stuff ... which does only rarely occur. Do tapes count? If yes then such an incident was a month ago. In Prague I bought 5 CDs and 5 tapes ... that's 10 releases in total. On this September's CD fleamarket I bought only three...

so basically what you are saying means that the owner of the isratrance domain was abducted and killed by terrorists or what?

Dude, you can't tell me that Solar Fields - Infection 268-7 doesn't make people move ... if that's the case then better call an ambulance... Other tracks I might suggest for your purpose are 12 Moons - Without Within, Klopfgeister - Smoke A Bagpipe (I strongly recommend! You can get that one for free from their site!) or Puff Dragon - Sazanami ... or S-Range - Ilha Bela... If all else fails: try Klangstrahler Projekt or Feuerhake (not the newest album of him - or maybe you could check it out, maybe you like?) ... those got anything from chill to ordinary psytrance tempo. I'm sure you will find something you like from them...

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I'd love to say CBL - Hydroponic Garden now, but on an island I'd rather prefer Makyo - Shringara

no, I didn't go ... I took a listen through those samples again, hmm-ed around and scratched my chin and then decided not to go because I had not much money left. I spent the evening on a "4 bands for 4 Euro" festival ... the bands weren't so good either but at least I just have wasted 4 Euros down the drain (plus a bit for some cans of beer) and not 15 or more

Oha ... Open Society on their myspace? AP got a myspace? (gosh, I quite have abandoned this artist couple since their somewhat not that cool release of "Ten"...) *checking* Oha, indeed. Hey ... that is quite good stuff. I mean, really. I never hated AP for their new style anyway ... although this is not what I expected, it's pretty fullonish. But it has a lot of energy and I like that ... this energy and this bit of AP style still in it is really not bad. Of course it can't really be compared anymore to their earlier oldschool works, but it's nevertheless quite good. I like the first half better btw

home listener - without the collector part. I don't have the money to go to many parties (besides there aren't many good ones anyway ) and I don't have the money to really collect the music. I have some CDs, but I don't really collect, can't afford. Never bought anything online and I don't think I will in the future. Rather prefer to bring music home from travels and connect a memory with it so that it serves two purposes or I search in used CD shops.

Dimension 5 - Transformation ... that was the first goa track I fell in love with! Noma - Soon ... listening frequently to it and loving it since more than three years Eat Static - Space Walk ... late night, brushes, colors, black cloth, lying on the floor, incense sticks, UV light, Absinthe, burning eyes ... gosh, how I loved it... Atmos - Fill The Hat and Matenda - No Return ... (that's both a secret why I love them so much ... I won't tell )

hey Bomble, welcome back

Oh man ... today is the day where they will come. I don't know if I shold go. I checked samples and it's not as bad as I expected, but the stuff doesn't impress me. If this was the first party after the summer pause then I would go ... but it's not the first, it's the second ... and I have gotten my fullon dose already last week - the guys that came before Echotek have put on even more crappier stuff and I'm fed up with it... Space Tribe I would like to see ... but when I have to wind myself through the great fullon plains again like last week to be able to listen to him ... I think it's not worth the nerve and the money.

That's how they do it, the bastards

I really like the Goa-Head title. It's a double meaning ... it can mean "go ahead"-music or music for "goaheads", people who listen to goa (because "goaheads" can also mean "those who go ahead", you know ) I just like that

Yes. Mortiis - The Stargate ... this CD from an Ebay trade I never recieved. And it wasn't coming from some oversea dude, no, it was coming from a dude from Austria (I could even have gone getting it in person if I would have wanted to make a one-day bike trip or so)! I payed, everything fine, he sends ... and the parcel gets lost in the mail. It was unregistered to save money, but now it turns out that unregistered shipping obviously can cost you a lot of money. I don't know if it was the dude's fault or the postman's, but I have heard of some similar cases later and I think it's the mail man ... somehow. Okay, this one was just 6 Euros, but still ... that's 3 LPs for me, damnit! Luckily I found this CD then later that year for a nearly as cheap price in a second hand store in Trondheim, Norway, so I was happy again

Chilling Matenda both of them

yes, they are pronounced the same way in english (but not in german!) but Saiko reads nice, little, cute ... and Psycho reads evil, dark, bad I like the cute reading better Saiko ... that's ... like the name of a cute asian girl

haha I think that would sound horrible

Hmmm... Like Vangelis on 1492 ... I know a bit of that album, but there is not much I can recommend. Although there is one that coms to mind: Gandalf ... http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gandalf (that's not really complete ... look at http://www.gandalf.at/ for more and better informations). I think the stuff you are looking for is somewhat classified as New Age. I'd suggest to search around in that sector...

HUMPPA? WHERE?! WHERE?!