Aeros

These guys are ALWAYS harrasing my myspace with spam for their music / mass booking requests. This reminded me of that really terrible insane drop creation joke, except that this one is real. Also worth mentioning: #94

Yeah Mike you don't make enough music. All talk and no follow through. No time? blah blah blah, deal with it I'm giving you a deadline, more tracks now or more tracks later. Those are your choices.

Yes, that whole part really made me think over just how I should think through my involvement in these things... I took some flak for just for being asked to help a friend and a movement I believe in. There were also a few assholes out there who were sure they could do better, and then when I gave them a sample of the original wavs to try it out they finally understood. Also if you are so sure you are the best masterer in the world where were you when metapsychic was looking for people to master Ali's work?? Again, all this was way back in 2006. But... Its exciting now to hear if we can try this again Ali if you indeed have your original files and can sort them out, your production and synthesis is top notch and if you give it to a good masterer your album is one of the top goa albums out there for sure We love your music.

Native instruments Battery 3 is a good self contained sampler (with sample libraries) that I know of. oops, but you can't program the drumloop in it (I don't think)

Hooray for all forms of goa trance There are so many! My favorite thing about the music.

Yes, we all love this CD very freshly cut

very cool goodjob guys!

I actually have become really interested in this specific sound...maychance I'll do a few tracks in my own style with this kind of BPM and minimal savvyness...but then there are so many styles I want to produce in.... time I definately want to hear a full set at a party with this atmosphere, someones gotta do something about that.

DJ ziki's tel aviv 3 one wins, but here was the runner-up

It must be said.... this is really good music anakoluth Very impressed. Minimal, proggy, but in the dark goa universe, and well done at that. Totally original and fresh style too Lets hear more from you As for everyone reading: No reason not to get this music, its free, just click a link

You're the best, lars

Dragonfly has been asking everyone for demos since a while actually, they are probing the new-school stuff but don't have any solid plans from what I know.. they did the same to me about a year ago I'm a sucker for suntrip though

Yeah, I thought it was 348 last time i checked

About the running hi-hats and how to make a track sound faster: Try playing with the sample length of your hi hats, like if you have something that works like a release knob on the sample to slowly fade out the end of it - adjusting the overall length. You end up with bright percusions since you free up more room for sounds to play in by making each sound come in very quickly and shortly. This is all over modern psy production today. Like you don't just load samples, you start adjusting their pitch and decay so they all sound good and clear in unison...you would do this on the kick and the claps too. Play with that, followed by adjusting the volume levels on your percusions to rebalance them and make use of this louder sound you can use now. That'll also make it seem like the track sped up, especially if you start wrapping off all your samples like that. Any sampler or most likely the interface of your DAW will let you finely control the envelopes of the sample to accomplish this.

What kind of music do you want goa people to make so you don't call them copycats? I don't understand this. What are they copying. Do you want them to make goa? No? you'll call them copycats for doing that because that style already exists? Ok, do you want them to come up with their own style? Expiramental garbage psy? but now you'll say it has no soul and complain about how no one makes goa anymore. Who is a copycat artist, name a newschool artist and who they are copying, we'll see how many people agree. I don't understand this attitude. Innovating has nothing to do with copying. An artist is copying if you can't tell their track apart from the sound they are copying. 90% of progressive and psytrance has this problem, where this problem is only in maybe 10% of all goa artists. Its that or you just don't like this music anymore and are burnt out of hearing the sound, and nostalgic for the sense of wonder you had when you first heard the music and you must be upset that nothing sounds new or fresh to you today. There is a huge amount of good music today, as there was before. Open your ears and stop comparing things, what next, everyone who makes dance music is a copy cat because they use a kick drum? The music all sounds the same its just doof doof doof doof? Music and how you enjoy it is up to you, its not going to cater an awesome transcendental experience to you if you won't open your ears first. and you do that by getting rid of all these expectations on how an artist sounds or should sound. What does this topic seek to achieve saying all this, if you feel a style is lacking creativity or its full of copy-cat artists (a bewildering idea), then perhaps this topic should be switched to what kind of things you think a style needs. Maybe take on production yourself and show everyone what the music is missing if you really feel like you know what you are talking about. Anything else just sounds like such selfish and self-centered whining to me. Something is wrong with the music? okay well what, lets talk about what you want, and see if people agree - or are we all just blindly argueing against eachothers taste again.

Offering that I've got FL and ableton down I guess what will make this fun is if we discuss what kind of style or track it should be first of all, what would it aim to achieve. Adding random jive won't make a track a peice of music, if people want this to be a peice of music.

A word of comfort OD, you will only get better and better and the whole process becomes funner and funner...so long as you just keep making music. Percussions: this is where a lot of creativity can come out of an artist through cunning use of samples and FX arrays. The key idea is to give each sound a certain frequency range, and even stereo image (...and even fx...). EQing and filters are vital for a lot of really fresh production. Start by first of all having a good sample library of different percussion hits to go through - simple google searches are your friend, there is a huge amount availible for free - start here if you don't believe me http://www.samplefusion.com/. A really good tribal vibe with the percussions is really successful, but it really all depends on your style, you can go glitchy, trippy, name an adjective, you have to make your percussions have some sort of characteristic. Then use EQ and FX to give them width - with the EQ you want to boost frequencies the sound is dominant in, or at the very least, cut off frequencies the sound doesn't need. For example I will wrap down all frequencies under 300-600hz on any sound I have, furthered by this concept: You have a hi-hat and a snare, and an open hat, and some djembe stuff...each of these sounds can't occupy the frequency range of the others for it to sound cleanest and have maximal clarity. So the djembes use alot of 500-1600hz, boost the low end on them and they change their sound dramatically, so since they are deep, you would cut away a little the sound comming from it at >6,000 hz. Now look at your hi-hat, its mostly in the 6-8khz range. By lowering that range out of the other sounds, you give this sound more dynamic room to be in - so it sounds louder and cleaner. Thats the essential concept to anything with good production as opposed to muddy, flat, or dry tracks. = how to create awesome percussion, hope that helps any interested

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Actually in my opinion its exactly goa artists (excluding half the generic copy-cat stuff from 96-99 maybe) that are more individual and unique sounding from artist to artist than anything else comming out of the psychedelic trance/dance sound. There is just one rule, which is: USE MELODIES, and I find that each artist does that differently and uniquely so long as they are still writing melodies. Techno and much of psytrance today can be figured out in an almost mathematical way when they adhere to just rubber bassline and kick for 9 minutes. The goa sound though, is more of a vibe, it fills the air and makes everything around it resonate with that sound. Elementally there is always a lead melody, a bassline rythm, background synths, pads, and an fx/verb layer built around events where the sound evolves. Its my opinion though that the most maximal way you can progress something and make it evolve in an everflowing and relentless way is with melodies... but that is almost a metaphysical analysis, yes it is true that they all "use melodies", so that may be what is sounding the same to you, however some of the artists you mentioned are wildly different from eachother - I could never mistake maximal 148bpm pleiadians to groovier cosmosis stuff, same for the rest of the artists. As for the newschool sound I don't understand this "they are just copying oldschool" kind of attitude, since the majority of the time thats not true at all. The story is continuing with the technology and mindsets we have available to us today, and some are choosing to write the music that inspired them. At least, it seems to be headed that way, we can all agree that the new stuff appearing today especially around suntrip is really original stuff that did not and could not have existed in the goa day a decade ago.

Vanguard presets

Tons of ways of doing it, easiest way is to just rig it and automate the volume on the bass going up. You can do that in piano rollout (channel volume), moving the slider yourself, setting up an EQ and doing it on <120hz there, whatever. Next step up is FL's oldschool peak control, never used it myself but it does the same concept. The real way to do real side chaining is abit more complicated. I'll break it down for you, you probably won't get it right the first time. Note that this way will let you compress synths, percussions, anything, so you can get that classic prog/trance swelling sound. You need: Waves C1 compressor. A kick on FX1 a bass on FX2. Insert a Fruity Send on FX1 and send it to Send1 (you have sends 1-4 at the very end of the mixer through which anything can be sent to). You'll setup send1 later. On the fruity send set the pan all the way to the left. Move onto FX2. Do the same thing, just this time pan it all the way to the right. ALSO - you must now mute the bass by bringing the volume on FX2 in the mixer all the way down, otherwise you will have the original bass playing over the compressed bass. Now go to send1 and setup your Waves C1 compressor. Set the mode to Side chain and set it to L > R (left input goes ontop of right input). You can do it the other way around if you had FX1 and FX2 panned the other way around. Now you've got it, but its not gonna sound right - that is because everything is gonna come out of the right channel. You must pan Send1 63% to the left (Or in newer versions of FL, set the stereo separation to 0%) - in otherwords you are just trying to get the right and the left channel volume to be equal. 63% does the trick. The rest is learning how to work the compressor, the release, threshold, and the nature of how you want it to compress. You will likely have to tweak the volume of your kick and bass all over. After this you can learn to use the sends on your other FX to get subtle side-chain like swelling on your leads and things like that. The above is the Aerosis way of sidechaining I was taught this by Infinite Dimensions some years ago

Hello psynews... Please share with me the saddest music you know of..I really need some right now. Apologies if this topic has been made 500 times already, I am too sad to go check. now playing: Regina Spektor - Summer in the City

Thats a man

Same sound all the time, wtf, just dudududududu Its the same thing man. (inside joke for strydr, DLing this now looks good)

Good response harald, I also know that the 2nd pan album has a lot more variety yet keeps the same message, energy and style, i'm not dissapointed by this artist and here with this album is the debut of this mad dancefloor energy. There is always negative feedback for any music put out there, which can be sensitive to an artist or label who put so much effort and faith into putting a new sound out there. Dont' let this deter your spirit and keep releasing music. Clearly this stuff is much better than around 4 years ago, before goa had this upsurge in activity and fresh new visions...and people should really remember that. The style (goa) is expiramental, I'm glad that at the very least this music is a totally new sound.