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AstralSphinx    120

It's so hot that the servers are about to self-destruct. That hot meter is like a tesla cars built in oven telling you the pizza is done. Well fried by Elon Musk's flamethrower.

https://www.boringcompany.com/not-a-flamethrower

On a more serious note, the thread has almost 2000 views soon, kinda impressive for a forum which was quite inactive a while ago. And we can learn a thing or two about how we name our topics from here on. :) 

The topic name alone seems to be very effective in engaging people in discussions, which is good. Perhaps if we could have thumb-nails for the threads like the videos on youtube have, the clickbaity style of youtube could be fully embraced here too.

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fluorosis    13
12 hours ago, Padmapani said:

agreed. i had to sell my soul to psytrance to advance and now be able to step to the stars. it was a hard decision but ultimately worth it ;) 

That's far too close to some of my more paranoid ac*d trips plot-lines for comfort, lol...

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Multi-Media    24

Ah interesting Fluorosis, seems we agree at least on the Blue Planet and (mostly "older") Boris Blenn stuff :)

Btw. I am not even a fan of this early indus stuff or Neubauten, I just pulled them as example that non melodic stuff can become "kvlt"

Re. SP, I think mostly their status is deserved but some of theirs are a bit overrated, they have huge tracks and some let downs, making complete albums sometimes a mixed bag. Even their hit Assimilate has weaknesses, it is too long drawn out without much change in the 2nd half imho. But back in the days such music was a "revelation"..might be I like their Canadian comrades from FLA a bit more, perhaps cause they have some dancefloor stompers but also soundtracks and game music etc. Plus some psytrance / IDM mixed in sometimes...a good mixture too were the first 2 Covenant albums ("techno-ebm"?)

Also why I have a feeling that Fluorosis might not like my music..(mostly darker, sparse melodies, some noise) :P

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Tsotsi    152
13 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

The topic name alone seems to be very effective in engaging people in discussions, which is good. Perhaps if we could have thumb-nails for the threads like the videos on youtube have, the clickbaity style of youtube could be fully embraced here too.

Gotta keep up with the times, I'd vote for that.

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MikroMakro    27

Complex subject, complex melody or no complex melody, musical theory or no musical theory. Personally either complex melodic or not complex melodic tracks either have it or they don't. This is foremost dance music, its origins kicking up red laterite dust on the Goan shore line, so we can expect complex melody to have a second place to groove and atmosphere (which is often created using simple melody). Of close second importance this is trance music, the goal is to hypnotize, greater complexity melodically or with sonic layers tends to retract from this potential. I know from experience here.


There are a few artists whose sound design and rhythmic programming / production discriminatory skill and attention to minuscule sonic detail stands out a cut above others IMO. Their music is as un-melodic as it could be but it is awesome and has the "spirit". I suspect this comes from immersion in the culture of Goa, living it ! You cannot intellectualize that.


However, I do think melody is largely what makes tracks stand out in lieu of extremely skilled  rhythmic sound design. But there is a fine line as this music is largely based around the Phrygian mode and this both limits and also gives it a worthy (and historic) home, this scale alone gives the mood, more or less dark/moody/intense/slightly eastern.


So ultimately, to me personally it comes down to feel, it either has the something "Je ne sais quoi" or does not. How you got there or your knowledge does not mean very much to me, compared to how did I feel ?


Traditional intellect has little place in the spiritual, consciousness expanding origins of this music.
To use a rather nebulous word, for myself either a track imbues the spirit or not.


What is that spirit if we "word" it ? Maybe a sense of openness, depth, space, intrigue, mystery, expanse, drive, hypnosis, sentiment, magic, togetherness, wonder, connected-ness, timeless-ness, distance, meditative focus on the moment, now.


I think it is very difficult to gain the interest of those who solely or predominantly enjoy music from 25-15 years ago, you cannot garner favour against emotional sentimentality attached to memory, that is very powerful force. (even making retro tracks). Trying to make something new to penetrate the arena of sacred memories will be very difficult. (and I say that with respect as all of a certain age have them) I seemingly have more plays of my overtly retro sounding tracks than more modern sounding ones. Maybe it is because I have had some vision based concept for them and I conveyed it well and it resonated with more people.

Whilst the O.P. made interesting points in his video I think he missed the aspect that extreme forms of music of any genre always tend to have their draw. Hi-Tech is not generally for me, but as it can be viewed as the extreme end of psy it will surely always have some following. I don't think psy trance conforms to the "trends" of other styles of dance music. It self propels through new experiences and advancement of the surrounding events and visual efforts, psy trance delivers a specific vibration and culture, no other genre encompasses this unique origin and international depth. By and large you know what you are going to get. To this end it is a scene like no other.


Let people follow their own ways, you make this music because you love to, whatever happens is just part of the bigger flow, water finds its natural resting place.


Do your thing for your little corner of the scene, be true to your little contribution. Life is short, put energy in with those and what resonates with your input.

The rest will be a waste of energy.

 

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Proxeeus    210
12 minutes ago, MikroMakro said:

Do your thing for your little corner of the scene, be true to your little contribution. Life is short, put energy in with those and what resonates with your input.

The rest will be a waste of energy.

 

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AstralSphinx    120
23 hours ago, MikroMakro said:

Complex subject, complex melody or no complex melody, musical theory or no musical theory. Personally either complex melodic or not complex melodic tracks either have it or they don't. This is foremost dance music, its origins kicking up red laterite dust on the Goan shore line, so we can expect complex melody to have a second place to groove and atmosphere (which is often created using simple melody). Of close second importance this is trance music, the goal is to hypnotize, greater complexity melodically or with sonic layers tends to retract from this potential. I know from experience here.


There are a few artists whose sound design and rhythmic programming / production discriminatory skill and attention to minuscule sonic detail stands out a cut above others IMO. Their music is as un-melodic as it could be but it is awesome and has the "spirit". I suspect this comes from immersion in the culture of Goa, living it ! You cannot intellectualize that.


However, I do think melody is largely what makes tracks stand out in lieu of extremely skilled  rhythmic sound design. But there is a fine line as this music is largely based around the Phrygian mode and this both limits and also gives it a worthy (and historic) home, this scale alone gives the mood, more or less dark/moody/intense/slightly eastern.


So ultimately, to me personally it comes down to feel, it either has the something "Je ne sais quoi" or does not. How you got there or your knowledge does not mean very much to me, compared to how did I feel ?


Traditional intellect has little place in the spiritual, consciousness expanding origins of this music.
To use a rather nebulous word, for myself either a track imbues the spirit or not.


What is that spirit if we "word" it ? Maybe a sense of openness, depth, space, intrigue, mystery, expanse, drive, hypnosis, sentiment, magic, togetherness, wonder, connected-ness, timeless-ness, distance, meditative focus on the moment, now.


I think it is very difficult to gain the interest of those who solely or predominantly enjoy music from 25-15 years ago, you cannot garner favour against emotional sentimentality attached to memory, that is very powerful force. (even making retro tracks). Trying to make something new to penetrate the arena of sacred memories will be very difficult. (and I say that with respect as all of a certain age have them) I seemingly have more plays of my overtly retro sounding tracks than more modern sounding ones. Maybe it is because I have had some vision based concept for them and I conveyed it well and it resonated with more people.

Whilst the O.P. made interesting points in his video I think he missed the aspect that extreme forms of music of any genre always tend to have their draw. Hi-Tech is not generally for me, but as it can be viewed as the extreme end of psy it will surely always have some following. I don't think psy trance conforms to the "trends" of other styles of dance music. It self propels through new experiences and advancement of the surrounding events and visual efforts, psy trance delivers a specific vibration and culture, no other genre encompasses this unique origin and international depth. By and large you know what you are going to get. To this end it is a scene like no other.


Let people follow their own ways, you make this music because you love to, whatever happens is just part of the bigger flow, water finds its natural resting place.


Do your thing for your little corner of the scene, be true to your little contribution. Life is short, put energy in with those and what resonates with your input.

The rest will be a waste of energy.

 

Well put, I think every style has it place as long as its well done too. I think a more minimalistic approach with not much melodies fit well with the dystopic/futuristic/cyberpunkish themes for example. Scaled back psy-trance can sound very futuristic and interesting when the sounds are well sculpted, and the atmosphere is palpable. And I believe that is part of what makes the rather monotone techno (in comparison to goa etc) feel so cold/futuristic at times. We've had all kinds of cross-polinated experiments by now within the psy-genre, and there sure is more to come. I look forwards to what the future brings in terms of new soundscapes. Minimalistic atmospheres works well with movie soundtracks of course, and I think it can lend a cinematic feel to psy/techno as well. I also belive a minimal/scaled back approach can work extremely well with melodic content/harmonies as well. There is ample space for all kinds of interpretations within every genre.

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recursion loop    542
11 minutes ago, AstralSphinx said:

Scaled back psy-trance can sound very futuristic and interesting when the sounds are well sculpted, and the atmosphere is palpable. 

True that!

Some of my favourite examples

 

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Multi-Media    24

Found this video per coincidence and it seems to bring up some point which might support OPs view? 
The guy is movie score specialist of sorts and he seems right that even in this departement melodies got more sparse
 

 

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