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  1. Many thanks, I like melody as I think it can help tell some kind of story. I cannot provoke my own emotions with SFX alone... so don't expect to be able to for others. One issue is that with the dominant scales in psy trance it becomes increasingly difficult to create new melodies, 30 years of Phrygian notes has only so many permutations, this is more Minor with Phrygian embellishments which works well.. So for modern stuff I note we get more "implied" melodies that set up a feel/mood rather than a string of notes. Each to their own mind you, it's a broad church ! And that is a good thing.
  2. What is interesting is how different kick, bass, snare and open hat levels are (which is a surprisingly important one - Op. Hat) through psy trance tracks. Be it 2007 or 2022. What I have noticed is the levels of these elements have no influence on whether I fundamentally like the track or not. I would go as far as to say, the right level will be different for each track depending on the kick and bass present. It all influences how the snare lands, also very important. We learn new things with every track hopefully.👍 (First time I have used a percussive top loop or break beat)
  3. Thanks for the kind words. Good tracks come from any period in psy trance and I very much enjoy synthesis and trying to recreate sounds I like. They also lend themselves better to melody than SFX synthesis. I would never use SC mastering or any AI mastering in fact, it's terrible. Appreciate your opinion.. kick sounds perfect to me (As I am sure you are aware as a counter view...it is quite easy to say change level of kick... but how does that effect the groove ? Which is exactly how I want it to be. Engineered as such both from synths. It is a bit more "zappy" than on a modern track, that was also planned.
  4. Yes I agree it is a very enjoyable genre to produce but very difficult at first. Right now I am 96pct on my kick and bass - low note D Sharp which I do not normally do 39.89Hz fundamental so it should be a night time/foresty vibe by psy trance norms, but no I want some melody in it (at least I think that is what I want for now, you know how it goes.. these tracks often move in their own way at times.. I think I want melody and before you know it you are just making SFX over kbbb all of a sudden !! ?? We do need some of that of course for this genre unless we go full old school AP/MWNN style).... but I personally need kbbb to be 98pct before I can confidently add a snare and open hat. At 96pct it is easy to tweak it to 94 pct in error. It is so close to the edge of human timing perception and easy to make worse and not better. I usually spend 5-6 days in 40mins sessions.. after 40mins you can no longer judge anything. I stepped into the realm of "is my kick too harsh" as I am experimenting with a slightly "zappier" kick which can be really quite great... but you must get the top freqs of the kick right. Too zappy and it becames 1997, a little zap and it's 2009, so just a tiny bit of zap perception is my goal but more modern overall. Kick and bass... pffft it gets no easier 15 tunes down the line. I did try samples a while back, but they never made it into a tune...they tend replaces your kick and bass synthesizer problems with new problems that generally relate to inflexibility and frankly....... easy identification that you used samples, not that it is some shameful thing to do lol.... as some have such a strong character they stick out like a sore thumb. Twists and turns and takes long time but in the end something happens and you get a direction, have to go with the flow of what happens a bit, especially in the very early blank canvas stages as you mentioned. One thing I considered a lot the last 4 years is how open hat driven psy trance often is after the kbbb is nailed down, that hat snare groove is vital... I have to get the kbbb satisfactory despite the initial pain before I can even commit to a snare positioning. One thing I did learn every new sound you add.. snare, then hat, then cl hats, or a top loop (programed or a loop sample) must augment and work with what went before groove wise...and is why the very starting point of kbbb needs to be a very solid foundation, otherwise it is downhill from there. And let's not even mention the second guessing and insecurity that the kbbb may need more tweaks once you have a track built on the top of it ! Leave those problems for if/when they arise down the line. Funny old music really.
  5. No worries and thanks..I will follow back when I log in. Just keep going, you know the main thing is enjoying this.. it is hard work.. it took about 5-6 years to feel I get something close production wise. The trouble is often when you get "better" then you lose something cause psy trance have to start sounding more the same this is a problem.. so early ideas are often fresh and exciting, different and in some cases unique... and later they become more like everyone else. There is a balance between originality and wanting to emulate because it is enjoyable to do that also.. it is a challenge and brings skills forward, many say ah... psy = copy paste.. yes because it moves everyone forwards in some ways to emulate. There will always be conformity otherwise we don't recognize the genre.. we have to try and somehow make it our own version, do enough work and with luck it comes natural without thinking, make the sounds you like and want to hear yourself. Very difficult music, do it for yourself, feel it, enjoy it, smile ! I made kbbb and every time it is frustrating I used Kick 2 and a synth not a sample as I like a little more flexibility.. and there is a chance of surprise or making something better, with a sample you are stuck. However with freedom comes many many options and stress and difficulty. I go with the later every time so far. Yesterday it clicked.. then I knew I get somewhere withe the kick and bass, then the smile comes. You have to enjoy it otherwise we cannot do it. And yes if kbbb is sounding good on speakers and headphones you are likely getting close.
  6. I am in the mood and just started some kick and bass myself, trying to groove it up for the last 2-3 days....so why not I listen only in headphones so you know...I quite like this track. The mids have a slightly crunchy vibe to them.. a little scratchy..so it is not like modern "big artist" psy that is smooth smooth smooth all the way up to the top. Nothing wrong with that we all have to develop styles. I miss the the snare in the middle of the stereo image, I like a punchy snap/snare in the middle, it seems panned off, or maybe slightly wide leaving a little hole in middle... against the hi hat. I only listen in headphones here so this is not super accurate situation. When kbbb comes in after 5 seconds of good groove it become slighlty too machine gunny.. like the bass notes come a little early, maybe this psychoacoustic trickery stuff is hard to explain in words, at other times it works well like the end of the track. It is like the kick and bass notes, mainly bass notes I think are going off on their own rigid intention when exposed for that section of the track (after the sfx over the top die down and the kbbb is solo'd.. this is a really tricky are to nail though and I am very fussy with this (and still do not always get it quite right, but as we know practice makes perfect) I can only say I try and make the kick and bass stand on it's own two feet in my own tracks when almost solo'd as other fx and synths decay down. I really like the initial progression after the kick and bass comes in 02:12 nice sequence. Maybe the intro is a little long nearly 2 mins. Tricky for you... as do you listen to random people on the internet or not, ha ha, your choice.. keep going, good luck with refinements. It always feel odd giving opinions as it is so personal. Try and get more views on it, it will help with understanding what others think. However in the end also trust your gut feeling as long as it works as "headphone psy" as I coin some of my own tracks or on the dancefloor you will be on the right path.
  7. Hi there I thought I would reply, psy trance is very difficult music to produce well, as I believe you are finding out. My suggestion is to buy some psy trance tracks you like and put them in your DAW (try and get the wav files) and reduce their volume so they are at the same volume by ear to your music. This will give an instant comparison for you to work towards. It can help if they are in the same key/bass root note.. but it is not strictly necessary. Think about what is making the track... what synths, what balances, what effects (reverb, delay, phasers etc) and also consider how the track progresses.. also consider how much is going on at any one time. How does the open hi hat sound compared to snare level and those levels vs kick and bass.. consider the sonic relationships.... levels and tone of the sounds. There are so many elements to sound engineering, good mixing and sound quality. I could write an essay and yet it may not be super helpful because I am not sitting next to you and able to make EQ adjustments, fader adjustments, apply effects processes etc. and demonstrate in real time what is happening and how and why things are getting better or worse) Firstly well done for trying, it is a long road to be good at making psy trance, sadly many give up as it really is difficult. I think you may have some sounds that are clashing in your music when I listened just in headphones.. try not to have multiple sounds with strong lower mid ranges - i.e. between the 200-700Hz areas as they tend to interact with each other. (including with the kick and bass) I cannot really say more as it is beyond the scope of a short internet posting. Good luck and if you are feeling the vibe keep going and you should get there.. but realistically it might be 5 years to get something good going. Sorry but I have to be realistic. However it will be a fun, rewarding (and frustrating) journey. You need to love have the patience and drive to continue. Also try Youtube/internet searches for advice on kick and bassline, synthesis, mixing arrangements. I suggest that E-Clip has some very good resources on YouTube. If you are enjoying it continue !
  8. I think it might be because people who originate from the Caribbean or are the next generations of black people in western countries and have ancestry ultimately to Africa...do not generally need a spiritual transplant in their lives that is largely linked with the Indian sub continent. Those black people inclined have a wonderful, rich and deep, mystical culture of their own already. Ultimately originating from the cradle of humanity itself (Africa) means they probably just don't need it.
  9. Goa to me is melodic, psy trance seems....rather more... harmonically manipulated synth sound effects... rather than melody, maybe a few Phrygian note phrases. Psy trance for me is characterized by the ever used and relied on kick and bass, I still really like it. The bass is saw wave repetitive acid, very highly refined with emphasis on bass and mid range. I realized this is essentially an acid sound one morning when I heard a track with the normal KbBB bass was performed by something that sounded very much like a TB-303, the tent I passed I had to go in and dance it was great ! The tonality was superb although less controlled timing than a simple bass sample or a modern soft synth with phase reset/retrig. (has a more wild, running away feel to it) The 303 style bass has a more "wet" liquiddy sound to its filter sweep. This track gets close to the sound.. in fact it may possibly have been this track, it was 6 years ago so I cannot recall exactly.
  10. I think this is very difficult as I see psy trance artists as producers of individual tracks that either resonate or not. So most artists I covet maybe 1-3 tracks of their entire discography.So hate to say it but it is a list... I am actually having a bit of a psy trance break from listening and producing. (playing guitar every day now and I am loving it) This is the kind of thing that I love, it sounds like actual music which is a good start for me. It is beautiful, melancholic and there is a story and nice progression. I miss beauty... we need more beauty/feelings, caring, that's my view I hope it can evolve that way. : ) I want to be touched and cry, and hold each other. I generally tired of the KBBB + SFX sounds over the top personally, though there are exceptions like Aardvark, he is the master of that and it is great. I also like longer bass notes which you feel the pitch. Not the 4 kicks in a row styles of kbbb that is prevalent last few years, short notes, it creates a very dry almost ambiguous pitch sensation in the kbbb (moving even further from drone never mind pitched notes/music - yes one note can be music of course). I need the pitched pulse to feel groove myself. Anyway enough of my boring psy trance production preferences. Here are my faves....sometimes it is the hypnotic reason (kick and bass is the hypnosis for me - the trance) and sometimes the melody reason and sometimes the psychedelic "feel" / of the mind is the melodic moods/fantasy and also sensation of feeling otherworldly/ looking into depths/cloud forms/ expanse feeling. Lunarave - Healing process, Avalon - Teleport, Mad tribe - Tuned in perfectly, Egorhythmia - Black Hole, Electric Universe - Mystical experiences, Dickster - Caffeinator, Orion - Welcome to reality, E-Mov - Melodiziac, Sinerider - New Horizon, Sonic Wave Control - Crystal Rainbow, Aardvark - Cosmic Radiation, Spirit Architect and DJAntrix- Full Moon (top levels kbbb for me actually in top 2 fave kbbbs, bass notes almost comes too early/overlap and falls over itself but stays in time... Juicy fat crunch in the kbbb, phase is a tad weird but it works.. it has the "thing" ambiguous on edge of human timing effect - kick exploding from speaker from compression - you get kick extended effect, durr durr durr, dugga dugga and taka taka kick and bass mids rhythm - that is spot on for me - listen when kick and bass comes in with your best headphones and feel the kick and bass sucking you down the slightly scary hole ! the kbbb is multidimensional I think that is a fair thing to say - so... no... not all kick and basses are the same), Tristan - Summer Solstice, Aardvark Hooked remix (that kick and bass is tight and evil the perfect solid low bubbling sound I like). Moksha Curri - Shiva Original mix, Human Blue - Sandalwood, Galactic Fire, Orion - Surreal expansions. I love some Astral the odd Etnica track, Cosma, Silicon Sound the old school heavy weights, some proto. Goa for me Polyphonca - Subface (that sounds Archetypal to me and is relatively unknown) I like psy trance that turns a moment into eternity for a little while. looking at the sunset, the clouds, the mystery and wonder, highlighting depth and something bigger. We are not here so long, so these feeling maybe help join some universal dots together. That's love I think, it is what we are all seeking in the end, warmth and love and empathy... to look out for and be looked after. Space Tribe into the 4th Dimension is it just me or does that kbbb have the strongest drive in any psy trance track ever made ? Sounds "sample tight" to me. I love helicopter style kick and bass. Has the 3 kick and syncopated bass patterns all in one that I like. (that distinguish good and not so good kbbb for me) Proto, old or new, it's either got it or not. So the best artists/tracks/talent are those you personally covet. Savour that don't let anyone take it away or tell you different. No right or wrongs let's just try and understand why these different tracks from far and wide artists make us feel good and respect that journey each individual can personally enjoy. It's the "lock in" isn't it ? That click that draws you into a track, not every track has it. Far from it in fact. When it resonates with you, it's on loop for 1 hour and you are not tired of it, you get energy instead and want more and more...that's trance ! So no one artist is the best that is a fools errand IMO. There are just best tracks from many artists and that is quite personal.
  11. https://www.junodownload.com/search/?q[all][]=psy+trance Juno download is worth a look as well.
  12. I make 90pct of the sounds I use in my own tracks myself, including synthesis for kicks and bass lines so don't really waste much time preset browsing : ) I have always just preferred to try and work out existing sounds, the more the synthesize the better you get at it and reverse engineering and coming up with new sounds.
  13. Stumbled on X-Dream fx zaps @ 02:05 the other day so thought I would share. Sylenth 1 (likely possible on any decent VA) Osc A - 2 voices, Stereo fully clockwise, Pulse wave for OSC A, Retrigger ON, LFO 1 assigned to Pitch A with a pulse wave/square LFO shape, Gain MAX, little value knob fully clockwise, LFO synced to 1/32 and add a touch of delay. No need to even select a filter. Press a key and bingo. I often stumble on sounds when synthesizing, quite fun when you think oh that's track X, Y or Z so that's how they did it. Sylenth1 is a very good solid synth for many of the VA type old school sounds.
  14. Surprised and sad.. that was my place to buy tunes. I always found it a bit of a cheek at Beatport to be charged a rather high premium for a .wav file. So you can get the music as the artist intended... i.e. uncompressed quality. (just spotted the goa constrictor feels the same)
  15. I guess the times we are living in makes us reflect more. Each individual needs something different from this music and there are no absolutes. That relates to producing it and listening to it. Everyone has there own opinion on any given track.The more I listen to the music and for context I listen when driving, dancing or at festivals the more I realize it has very little to do with sub genre or specifics relating to production being mainly or exclusively SFX/texture/filtered/harmonic based vs traditional melodic content. It has to do with the feeling any given track invokes in myself personally and this effect can be present in any combination of those elements. For me this music is pulse based drone to hypnotize and meditate (a space where there are no thoughts where the brain moves into a space beyond intellectual analysis) and on top of the kick and bass there is the potential to open this meditative mental space more deeply with subtle ways of shifting your feelings through whatever is added. This could be viewed as a fairly mature view relative to more hedonistic pursuits. I conclude that because of the ultimate personal meditative goal that the kick and bass need not change into the future as long as the same basic effect is produced. This will be a bit controversial because we have all read many opinions that psy trance is stuck in a rut and that it used the same kick and bass or sound set for X no. of years etc. etc. It is a bit like suggesting that traditional meditational mind state has not progressed since the ancients in India developed it. These intellectual processes don't have a place when I am dancing in the moment, they don't have a place in that headspace. Either the track invokes the desired result (trance) or not. Trance for myself when listening is coveted on the basis of whether it induces a trance like state or emotional cues / interesting mental or physical sensations when listening, connection with others not present through the mind state is a big one for me. (also possibly connected with the passage of time - highlighted by the absence of time in meditation... or sentimentality, sadness/beauty which are often linked. ) Whether a track was made yesterday with the newest VSTi and effects on the market or 20 years ago seems to have no bearing on the value of the track, either it has it or it does not. Another interesting question/thought, that is almost impossible to answer is how much a track objectively works in the genre versus the value you have projected onto a track from your own personal experiences, as a listener. Probably one that is rather impossible to quantify and probably for the best, as it allows us to have a mysterious connection with some specific tracks that resonate in special ways that could be unique to the individual. I appreciate my view is just an abstract of personal experience and that there are no absolutes so any view is as valid as any other and merely extends the depth of the music's value. What are the fundamentals for you ?
  16. I would have a guess that the Aquila track uses Trilogy (at that time) seems that synth was released in 2002, very common synth for psy (now Trilian) or it is a straight sample with the filter and amp envelope embedded. Have a listen to Avalon's Teleport track (which is my fave track by Avalon). Almost identical just a little different tone/eq. I fairly frequently hear a track and hear the profile of the bass line note and think ahh.. that sounds like .... X's track.
  17. Look up COGOA and IrisWolong on Youtube, superb collection of authentic videos from Goa, live videos footage on the beaches and other DJ sets etc. There is also a classic Maharashtra 1992 Goa party.
  18. I just checked Dimension 5, I see yes they keep the pulse going.. I am a fan of breakdown but kick continues of late, why I am not sure it just evolved that way as I put the tracks together... the dancer has a choice The cue is there for a rest or carry nodding on, more versatile. I think you are right Recursion loop... maybe that plug in is the best thing since sliced bread, we should probably all try it on the next mix... but you can always try using your ears as well. I find if the KbBB is sounding radically different in headphones, or just plain wrong in the H/P's... compared to speakers (in a room you can trust pretty well) then most likely more work needs to be done to zone it in. It is not easy.. it is like running the gauntlet every time I start a track. All of this is whetting my appetite for a new kick and bass, it's been a while.
  19. Nice topic, I like the lighter side, and I adore Human Blue.. took me best part of 3 years to track this down after hearing it one morning in a festival glade between the trees, the funny thing is I had been listening to Human Blue for a few years and did not realize it was his track.. the DJ was just playing CD-R's that had no labeling as I went and asked who did the track as there were only a few people chilling at the time.. I could not help but dance when it got going, nice and ethereal arp pad melody at the end...
  20. Freedom is a great thing and choosing what your break should be like is your choice/intention as an artist : ) Personally speaking, breaks interrupt the trance state,... especially ones that make no musically timed sense, lol. When I dance the energy seemingly given almost feels like perpetual biological energy is being released (like more energy than you actual have available, actually giving you energy) And I mean by endogenous means. I think most people can moderate there own pace of dancing through a track and I know I can slow the flamboyant shapes I am throwing down when need be, ha ha. just standing and nodding to the beat with my eyes closed, taking in air or looking around at the collective experience and enjoying that. Of late I have been leaning towards subdued sections that maintain pulse... I enjoy being lost in a moment and the pulse is the focus that brings that state into being. Literally do what you think works though, there are many ways to do everything, this music is awesome, nothing else quite produces the effect of this music. I long for the days to be back at the parties, like we all do, till then there is the garden and a gaze to the horizon.
  21. Thanks and the great thing with psy trance in all its guises is it is a very rich music, technically and culturally and there is a lot to learn and enjoy, it is nice and a privilege to be involved with something that can be limitless.
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