astralprojection

apparently thats exactly what they did with their new h3000 plugin https://www.eventideaudio.com/products/effects/pitch-delay-modulation-filtering/h3000-factory but it lacks everything (imho) that made the original so good. now it sounds just like any stock plugin id say. no character, sound profile, or anything like that. it has no "mojo". in my opinion at least=)

No I posted a video comparing the h3000 vs the newer software version. But then I had second thoughts cause the video itself was kinda cringy and the poster used his "singing" if you could call it that, as the sound source for comparison No i haven't tried that plugin you posted

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i cant believe how good it sounds EVEN through the camera/phone microphone. Thats the Lunar Civilization sound right there..or maybe not, its a great sound nonetheless

What would you buy, and why? (This seems like a natural topic progression from that other topic regarding old tools and the quality they still impart) Id buy alot of stuff thats for sure.. First and foremost Id get the JD-800. Or maybe the 990 cause its cheaper, and then get a controller for it. It sounds very particular and the main lead from Spiritual Healing was done in that thing, and thats probably the best lead sound ive ever heard. And theres just no way of getting the same Tonal qualites in any other synth; at least not currently avaliable. The Roland D-50 would probably come closest to the same tone; as the JD-800 had waveforms based off of the D-50. Id also wanna get the JP8000 cause it sounds so fresh and clean, very digital but very nice. And it has a wonderful arpeggiator/sequencer. Id say its either Virus, JP8000 or Nord lead, and Id pick the JP. Then Ill get the Fairchild 670 compressor from the 50s. That thing sounds so freaking good, its a tube compressor thats built like a tank (and looks like a tank, aswell). You just cant miss with that thing. Its even got M/S compression; something that staggers me they did all the way back then. And finally Id buy the API 2500 compressor. Also a beast. Its a VCA similar to the SSL bus compressor; but it has much more control AND a sidechain HPF. So for that extra sub-punchiness. Then Id probably be set, the rest Ill make do with software =) Total cost; roughly: €56.800 Fairchild 670: €45.000 API 2500: €3000 JP-8000: €7500 JD-800: €1300

Alcohol is a bitch to kick, but no drugs now for almost 2 years. I dont count cannabis into that category though Psytrance still is great both with and without the enhanced mindstate. Which in the long run is not enhanced at all anymore

Yes, software has gotten exponentially better over the past decade or so. I wish they wouldnt make software synths so "clean" though; they should also emulate a converter and an output stage, inside the plugin.* Some synths sound bigger and bolder, than others - but just using those clean synths, with surgical linear phase eqs, working at the highest resolution possible - usually leaves the music sounding either soulless - or has that software "plastic" quality to it. Even in 2020. Ofc that can be remedied as discussed in that other HW vs SW thread. There are certainly ways of emulating pretty much ANY signal path you should desire; albeit pretty difficult sometimes. I think of those old hardware units as cheat-codes; kinda. In that it may be an EQ, but it also has passive compression, distortion, filtering, noise- "mojo". And presumably it is also why they cost a small fortune to own one. Anyway, I hope I got my point across and my apologies for sounding negative, @RTPbut this is serious stuff for me ^^ *then again there are many digital synths that doesnt use a converter or output stage, like a Virus; that still sounds beefier than any SW synth I can think of. So there is likely still even more to it than just the signal path. Still some ways to go, for software synths to beat one of those, I think. in what way would you say they have evolved? I think they probably have too - in that they can both be very accurate while also pleasant at the same time - something I suppose was much rarer back in the days.

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Hmm.. The "sound enhancing techniques" (im guessing you mean the various tools that were avaliable then vs what is avaliable now) used in the 90's was stuff like the eventide and TC electronic signal processors, that still to this day cannot be matched. The h3000 for example, that still goes for about 2500 euro, used. The newer h9000 version costs about 7000 euro. And in the pop-world (which is the epitomy of modern music) engineers still use hardware from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Sound cards have absolutely nothing to do with the progress of making music in software. You could technically make music with your eyes alone, without a sound card even plugged in. Sure, a better soundcard may mean you get to hear more details - thus making better decisions - but listening to some old hallucinogen stuff for example - that argument goes out the window. Even captain hook which is ultra modern (and considered fairly popular) sounds plastic fantastic. 192khz/24bit doesnt make it sound better. People certainly don't use "the same presets and filters" whatever that even means. . All the "sound tricks" (?) that's avaliable now, were avaliable then, and sounded better then. They had ad/da converters, transformers etc, to add to the sound signature. Something software users have to add to the signal path now, using creativity. So still playing catchup. The one thing you're right about is that music is louder now. And sterally clean. So in short, there has only been negative progress generally speaking, except for loudness and the sterile modern sound of ultra cleanliness. Which certainly only makes the music lose soul and doesnt make it better. Does a surgically clean mix with a loudness of -6 lufs sound better than an organic mix with -10 lufs ? That is ofc subjective. My whole point is that music production / music engineering has not become better in 30 years.

modding fallout 4 was a pain in the ass too. btw i noticed fa4 got alot of hate, but i thought that one was even better than new vegas. never understood why people thought that was so much better, was it the story? couldnt have been the gameplay. fo4 was incredible! i mean it had issues but beside that. nv had tons of issues too. but fo4 was truly spectacular and i cannot understand the hate on that one from FO fans.

i wanna know too =)

theres a great video from dan worall; where he goes toe to toe with Pro-Q vs ReaEQ. TLDR; Pro-Q wins, but only slightly. However I dont think you can go much better than your daws native lin phase eq. no sense in buying anything else, imo. Fabfilter is the king, if you really want the best, but its really only workflow improvements, and slightly better filters (can go up to 96db and even brickwall should you so desire) but theres no difference in sound quality.

i miss this style of trance too a nice album!

correct, but logic has a linear phase eq aswell, which would be the recommended option for filtering basslines; since linear phase gives you much more definition in the lows, and doesnt cause a phase shift (instead it adds latency and some pre-ringing in the first few ms.).

Yes, those are very valid points. Perhaps an additional hp afterwards would be a great idea in those cases.

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Well. Don't take it so literal and harsh, it's just one guys opinion ^^ Do whatever you like to do mate!

I'd still use the hp first, then whatever the saturation might bring back would be pleasant and also its up to you what you do with the saturation. But I wouldn't say one way is right another is wrong. I would also like to hp before the compressor and not after I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm right but it's probably fine both ways depending on what you plan to do with it.

I only said that I thought it was too much sidechaining.

I'm not a mastering engineer just yet, but I did think it sounded very much too pumpy, and it took too much focus. Don't get hung up on that though The 303 isn't suitable for a psy bassline, I don't think it goes deep enough. But in the 90's, acid trance had it as the bassline too, iirc same as alot of the acid techno. Saturation is probably your best bet in beefing up the 303, after you high-pass it

I don't think there's shady business going on, if there were I'm sure indoor may have a problem with it. It's just so damn strange why the official (with a verified mark) YouTube of cs would not mention them at all, while still writing the (incorrect?) credits, it drives me a little bonkers thinking about it And just out of curiosity what algorithm are you guys speaking of specifically?

speaking of california sunshine and nasha. hadnt heard this in a bit =) probably the third time or something i post this over the years but, its just as good now as it was then. timeless^^ reminds me of the hypnotic nature of x-dream - zebra a remix has to happen.

i dont really like their catalogue too much either, but nasha is nice. Id only really recommend tokyo underground* and jajo. but theres ofc more good tracks in there like x-wave, which is a bit (alot) tech-y similar to x-dream/delta type stuff * that one is 5/5 definitely ^^

they are all probably very close colleagues like astral mentioned, but its strange they didnt mention indoor in the credits. you dont like Nasha either? thats a wonderful album imo. at least 4 tracks on there are very nice. jajo+tokyo underground

yeah i just thought it was wierd, and not truly honest. Didnt mean to sound like an asshole btw