astralprojection

Yeah I've had convos with him on YouTube. (maybe you even saw our convos )He is an amazing guy, really love him alot. Haha moonshine you too?? Yes I used both a saw and a square aswell as noise. Spire is awesome cause it has 4 sources and each source can be whatever you want and it has deep modulation abilities and extremely easy to work with. Sound reminds me of a mix between jp8000 and Virus. But sadly lacks a little something. But nothing that a little transformer distortion in the fx chain couldn't add. Anyway spire is really freaking good at pretty much anything except it lacks just a little something special in the sound department... Otherwise I'd say its the perfect VA.

Which Cosmosis track? A few months ago I tried recreating the bass and main lead of Moonshine. I got close to the bassline, may even post it here and it was also made in spire. The main lead with all those glorious 32th notes I did not quite nail yet. And thanks for a really great and interesting post, I'd love to hear what you have. Yes tryptomine dream is also one of my very favorite ap tracks.

Yes the tuning is my biggest problem atm. I have the basic melody but the tuning on my attempt seems too perfect and doesn't have the organic feel of the original. Your input on this is greatly appreciated and think youre spot on. (about analog synths going slightly out of tune aswell as chorusing causing such an effect aswell) I also think I've read that they also had a phaser on most of their leads, and the key there i think is that both the chorus and the phaser is summed to mono, which could cause both phase issues (pleasing and interesting ones that may even actually cause a shift in pitch) and ofc if you normally add unison or chorus the sound becomes wide, but not in this case as I'm pretty sure dancing galaxy lead is all mono.. My progress currently is that I have the pattern somewhat, aswell as the patch built in spire and one in diva. Gonna try tal uno-lx too and see which sounds closest, currently my spire version sounds the best but it's not fully there yet. Thanks, I'll send you a pm. BTW such a very cool topic it became I did not expect it to be so fun already even if its mostly talk at this point. I need to put up or shut up I guess

any progress on the MFG stuff? =) ofc, you could chose any track you want, but you specifically asked for MFG so i think if anyone can do it its you. Im still working on the dancing galaxy lead, i think the sound itself is pretty much close to being finished, just need the right amount of noise and filtering, but the notes.... maybe the tuning wasnt perfect on the original dancing galaxy; cause it seems borderline microtonal at times; or im just in way over my head with that one. i even put the original to 100bpm to more easily recreate the pattern but i think the tuning isnt fully perfect on the original causing that slight microtonal feel.... Or its just a vibrato and nothing more complicated than that, but yeah it aint easy thats for sure... And whatever I come up with sounds super stale in comparison..

Yes!!! It was future prophecy! Phew finally I can put it to rest. Thank you.

- nvm

you were funny up until you decided to write you were going into the water to end yourself.

it sounds great

that i can understand; it was faaar from -2db lufs - even your example "datsik + virtual riot" i can understand, it was within the range of acceptable 'musicality', in my opinion. but that "HEKLER - frequency jammer" i couldnt understand at all. and i think im just getting too old and thats exactly what my dad said about goa trance when it arrived "how can you listen to this noise its just DUM-TS-DUM-TS-DUM-TS and everything sounds the same"

Just checked the Youtubes you guys linked. What in gods green earth is that. The kick and snare seems fairly coherent and punchy but the rest is just distorted noise I can't imagine it sounding any better on the dancefloor. Kids these days man what can you do. I blame deadmau5. While he has some very good melodies and quite nicely produced I think it's his fault that this generation thinks squashing everything sounds good. (as far as dubstep and generic edm go anyway) Deathstep is a good name for it, Holy crap it's unlistenable @padmapani Yeah you may be right I will concede

isnt it the xFer OTT plugin that inspired the ableton Over the top preset? chicken and the egg scenario perhaps. i was under the impression the xfer plugin came first. anyway it doesnt matter, and youre right. it does flatten things out but when used in moderation its an easy cheat code to get a sound sounding fatter and bigger than it really is. ive not yet heard any dubstep in the -2db lufs range but then again i dont listen to much dubstep id rather keep my sanity =) (at least whats left of it )

Sick. During the years 2002 - 2005 I worked a brainless data entry job, and shoutcast was the shit. I listened to that station a lot! Cool to see it returning.

Your input in the thread has been amazing and at least you participate : ) edit: everyones input has been amazing Well if you feel like going towards MFG instead, thats fine with me I love mfg, how about the crazy alien sounds of We Are The Machines? pick any lead or sound from there, should be plenty of fun ^^ the bassline is really great, and it sounds like a juno for sure. speaking of cool basslines, transwave did their basslines with the mc-202 IIRC; which is pretty much like a different version of the sh-101. pwm with the sub oscillator mixed in high. evident in all transwaves stuff and sounds really good =)

the Eventide Harmonizer was also instrumental in getting that Hallucinogen sound. Ah, Id love to see the Etnica/Pleadians leads re-created i find those to be particularily hard to do and ive not yet gotten fairly close. And the jd-800 was apparently the main focus in their tracks and when you think of the etnica sound; its the jd-800 that was responsible for the bulk of it. Apparently. Anyway maybe the leads of Time Dilation or Zeta Reticuli could be a big challenge, but then again the same leads are in most of their stuff. Yes replika XT is for sure the 90s goa sound (as far as delays go anyway), i urge everyone to get that one!

yes, i will watch the video they likely had the JV-1080 rompler which was very popular at that time. Oh ofc the EMU line, like the EMU Emulator II for example.. The jd-800 was more than pads and samples, think of 4 different VAs, romplers, additive and (i dont know if they had FM capability) all in one. And 4 sources so each source could be a saw wave or a sample from the rom, or -- well see i dont know more than that about the jd-800. yes the rack version was the 990. Etnica made many of their signature sounds with the JD - someone said once, maybe it was Draeke. and filteria said once that the lead from Spiritual Healing was made with the JD aswell. so much more than pads =) and hallucinogen had the very unique british synth called OSCar; looks really really wierd but sounds absolutely fantastic; youtube it and you will instantly recognise the simon sound in there.

i had a listen before you removed and i think your main lead was very close to the astral juno sound =) definitely in the ballpark! yup ap did not have any supersaw synths afaik (virus, jp8000) maybe they had the nord lead 1, but im not sure. what i do know is they made most of their leads using the alpha juno with the MKS-50 programmer aswell as the juno-106. Which is pretty much the same as the alpha except its easily programmable wheras the alpha was either a very annoying menu diver; or with an external programmer such as the MKS. And it can 100% be recreated using Diva or pretty much any synth that has PWM and have the ability to modulate the pulse width using LFO. ( i tried using spire, an excellent wavetable synth that has this capability; and it can most definitely be made in spire aswell. its not easy though. im almost there... ) what would be really cool to see is someone recreating the sounds of the JD-800. That one is a beast with 4 sources, each source having VA (+additive and perhaps fm) and Sample capabilites. so the closest thing in software would be Alchemy, since it also has 4 sources and actually does More than the jd-800 could. If theres one guy here who can bless us and already has blessed us its Filteria, but then again he actually has the hardware.. so thats cheating at least for this thread..

Ofc I am send it on through, master@aeap.se

Not quite though. I was thinking a bit more specific than that. I'll post the dancing galaxy lead once I'm happy with what I've got. It's kinda hard to recreate and if its so easy then prove it :p

Creating sequences on abl2 is easy though, I usually start with 1 note on every note of the 16 notes. (basically an arpeggio) Go up a 3rd and 5th here and there, enable slide on a few notes, add a 1/8d delay and you've got a goa acid sequence. Yeah abl2 sounds good but not as good as phoscyon. There's something missing aswell as it sounding slightly more "software like" than phoscyon. But I wouldn't say abl2 is unusable it's far from that! But yeah start with enabling every single note of the 16 notes avaliable, from there it's quite easy to alternate the notes aswell silence a note here and there. Don't forget the delay though. The delay is just as important as the sequence cause it is part of it. Rebirth is great stuff but in today's standards it lacks alot of punch and impact and sounds very small and thin.

Yeah youre right they CAN be made in many different software nowadays; which is why I made the topic Its still hard to re-create though. But yes since we do have the tools to do it, i guess your comment just validate my topic! Thats some nice sounds in that track of yours!

I think this is a topic many of us want, to see classic Alpha Juno and Juno-106 patches (AP - Dancing Galaxy) aswell as classic SH-101 patches (Simon, X-Dream +gazillion) or the famous JD-800 patches by Etnica/Pleiadians (Hmm Roland = Goa?) - recreated fully including sound signature and fx - inside your daw.. while id concede its impossible to 100% nail it, id accept anywhere from 51-90% for the thread! most of us arent pro and that would be very acceptable and fun to chat about even if we cant nail it.. Just emulating the output stage of any of those synths for example should be a chore since youd really have to have one in order to re-create just the right filtering+noise+eq+compression+samplerate+phase etc etc....that the unit already has once you hear it... let alone the actual sound synthesis itself.... What would be interesting in this topic is to see patches including fx-chains that comes very close to a certain sound or a certain melody or a bass patch or whatever - made inside modern DAWs; based on whichever song/sound you want.. Im currently trying to emulate the dancing galaxy lead so that lead me to the thread... So the PWM + LFO modulated Astral sounds of the Juno-106 or Alpha - for example, id love to see recreated in say Diva or any wavetable synth.. Aswell as the mixing to get it close to that dirty 90s sound..... Well okay thats the sound Im working on so not that one, but as an example. Get that old track you love, load up any daw and try to get close and post here.

this is a very strange one, when you ask dont make it about race when you specifically made it about race lol i think its quite strange to sort of deduce who is from where - it doesnt seem like that would matter as far as race go - more like its interesting to see what country produces what styles..

Im not sure if it was deviant electronics or not because now that i skim through their stuff it doesnt sound very much like x-dream. anyway if i think of who it was if it wasnt him/them ill let u know :p @Multi-Media no its not them but great suggestions =)

thats it, thanks (not sure thats the album i was thinking of but that was definitely the artist) edit: maybe the artist:P

Im pretty sure someone will come along here shortly and remind me and Us what that artist I was thinking of is called. I think it was a two word name, and the sound was just like x-dream. Dammit brain. I suppose it could have been COP but that would be a bit too easy and it doesnt ring the right bell, and im pretty sure noone of X-dream was actually in that group (if it was even a group maybe just a solo artist), and the two word name sticks somehow. anyhoo, maybe it jogs someones brain