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On 1/20/2021 at 1:18 AM, Padmapani said:

if your nuttery just affects youself, you're completely fine to do whatever you want, but if your nuttery puts other people in danger and kills some of them i do draw a line there. your freedom ends where it infringes on other people's freedoms. that's also why i have absolutely no problem advocating for strict lockdowns and selective repoening for vaccinated people as an anarchist. it may seem strange and unintuitive to us at first but the draconian ways in which the crisis is handled in some parts of asia is actually the more liberal policy.

That's actually right! I'm not OK with it either when it comes to endangering others. The protesters that go demonstrating in masses without masks and the who people actively break the rules - all of them worry me a lot :(
I had this Covid shit already and I'm quite anxious to get it again, I really _really_ don't need that - also for the well being of my family and all people dear to me.

I just hope that we all will never lose the ability to talk about things and also accept different opinions and treat each other with respect. I feel this behaviour kind of waning in the last months and even years already, but it has definitely accelerated...

And it's difficult for me though to experience this feeling of "being torn", to actually stand on what I would percieve as "the other side"/"the side of law and order" ... I used to describe myself as NOT the one that goes with the masses and these "systems" - now I do?
I was the one to say to my friends that they should slap me if I ever said to run with the pack. Yet now I do?

The reason why I am scared by it is NOT the current situation. It rather is a fear, that if one of the things that I thought to be fundamental is waning (which is happening right here), then what reason is there for me to believe that the rest of them is not gonna wane?...

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4 hours ago, RTP said:

That's actually right! I'm not OK with it either when it comes to endangering others. The protesters that go demonstrating in masses without masks and the who people actively break the rules - all of them worry me a lot :(
I had this Covid shit already and I'm quite anxious to get it again, I really _really_ don't need that - also for the well being of my family and all people dear to me.

I just hope that we all will never lose the ability to talk about things and also accept different opinions and treat each other with respect. I feel this behaviour kind of waning in the last months and even years already, but it has definitely accelerated...

And it's difficult for me though to experience this feeling of "being torn", to actually stand on what I would percieve as "the other side"/"the side of law and order" ... I used to describe myself as NOT the one that goes with the masses and these "systems" - now I do?
I was the one to say to my friends that they should slap me if I ever said to run with the pack. Yet now I do?

The reason why I am scared by it is NOT the current situation. It rather is a fear, that if one of the things that I thought to be fundamental is waning (which is happening right here), then what reason is there for me to believe that the rest of them is not gonna wane?...

i've had that feeling some time ago, but now i see it very differently. the divison is more between the people who are able to use their brain and those who don't. and believe me (i work in a pharmacy and talk to about hundred people every day), those who don't are the great majority. if you're advocating for sensible policies you're not running with the pack (in fact when i spoke out for another lockdown in autumn one week before the lockdown actually came, i was confronted with a lot of hate from many directions).
in our situation we have a government that's torn between their own stupidity and desire to appease the people on one side and the advice from experts who know what they're talking about on the other side. so we have policies where the right things are eventually done, but too late and too half-heartedly.

to do the right thing yourself is not about law and order. i have isolated even when there were little restrictions and do meet people when it is forbidding during lockdown as long as everyone is tested. do what makes sense and not what the law tells you.
but i must admit that breaking the law in such a way feels more familiar and "right" than following the law when it actually makes sense ;)

what was really a bit shocking to me is how >90% of the people do not think about the consequences and just do whatever is allowed, even if its pointless (wearing chin-shields in autumn, that don't do anything to protect people but satisfy the law). still the majority is advocating for an end to lockdowns for various reasons (ranging from "oh the economy", "they just want to control us", "i don't believe there's any virus", "i want to do whatever i want", ...). a year ago i wouldn't have thought that the only way to get people to do something that should be clear to everyone is to make it mandatory by law.

while we have people at work who openly admit having a very limited mind ("why do you think about such things? i am happy if i know what i'll have for supper today"), even the majority of the seemingly intelligent and educated colleages try to subvert the meaning of the policies by implementing measures that satifsfy the law but are not suitable for curbing the spread of the disease (let's do some half-hearted testing with the cheapest test kit every now and then, so that everyone can wear their dirty mouth rag instead of masks that acutally work (ofc this is not an exact quote)).

it's really baffling how people cannot seem to think further than at most the next week. how could anyone be advocating for an end to lockdowns but at the same time refuse both wearing a proper mask and getting vaccinated? all that while they have family and friends in high-risk groups. as long as you're not doing anything to end the pandemic, you cannot expect the pandemic to end any time soon.

sorry for the rant, but the longer this whole thing drags on, the more i am convinced that we're living in a world of imbeciles.

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On 1/23/2021 at 3:04 AM, Padmapani said:

sorry for the rant, but the longer this whole thing drags on, the more i am convinced that we're living in a world of imbeciles.

Don't worry, it was good to read - and it also comforted me a little, that I'm not alone in this mess :D

I think you are right - I also do feel that people in society tend to become more stupid - where "stupid" means not having a low IQ (well, it is a factor, but not the only one because that would be a discrimination for people with low IQ :) ), but rather having the illusion that you know things better than you actually do ... a lack of reflexion ... this, together with the rise of "persecution / hate towards people who think differently" (which has its roots in the same corner imo - because people with other opinions rather should make you reflect) is one of the two main worrying trends :(

I think we have a crisis on three sides here ... "the triangle of evil":

- Health crisis ... such as people getting sick real bad on Covid-19
- Economic crisis ... such as businesses closing, money printing ... where should this all go?
- A crisis of the personal side of society ... such as people getting more stupid, more full of hate, more caught in their filter bubbles...

It's not gonna end well if we are not careful

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On 1/23/2021 at 3:04 AM, Padmapani said:

(let's do some half-hearted testing with the cheapest test kit every now and then...)

Side question:

I want to get some Covid Antigen Rapid Test Kits (and yes I know how to use them and how the sample taking needs to feel - had two of the mass tests already and have got a training with a real one too) ... any recommendation which are good ones?

Paying 25 EUR in the pharmacy every week (or so) is only an option if I need something official...

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On 1/24/2021 at 7:32 PM, RTP said:

Side question:

I want to get some Covid Antigen Rapid Test Kits (and yes I know how to use them and how the sample taking needs to feel - had two of the mass tests already and have got a training with a real one too) ... any recommendation which are good ones?

Paying 25 EUR in the pharmacy every week (or so) is only an option if I need something official...

personally, i use the test kit from abbott (covid-19 ag rapid test device). you can get it online for less than 10€ per test (but it's a kit with 25 tests). it's a little more accurate, cheaper and more practical than the others.
(probennahme is eigentlich recht einfach. sobalds geht (ca. nach 0.5 bis 1cm) das staberl nach hinten/unten drehen und richtung ohrlapperl fahren bis man ansteht. am besten den kopf nur ganz leicht nach hinten. falls man den kopf zu wenig nach hinten legt kommt man nicht gut hinein, falls man ihn zu weit nach hinten legt fahrt man den hals runter statt anzustehen, was auch keine tragik ist aber würgereiz auslösen kann. im zweifelsfall sollte man eher weiter unten bei der nase entlangschrammen (niesreiz möglich) statt irgendwo weiter oben herumzustochern. wichtig is noch: wenn man an der richtigen stelle ist ein paar sekunden drinnenlassen und drehen)

if you're looking for something cheaper (i.e. fewer tests per unit sold), you can also use the joysbio antigen rapid test kit. that one uses a swab from the anterior part of the nose. according to the manufacturer it's almost as sensitive as the other kind of test (though i'm a little sceptical about that. there's a paper out there that says that taking the swab from the anterior part of the nose are 50% less sensitive, putting it at something like 92% sensitivity instead of 97%) and it's officially allowed to take the test yourself. we sell those for 9€ per test. you can probably also get it cheaper online, but then you'd again have to take the whole kit (20 tests) instead of single tests.

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On 1/27/2021 at 2:55 AM, Padmapani said:

personally, i use the test kit from abbott (covid-19 ag rapid test device). you can get it online for less than 10€ per test (but it's a kit with 25 tests). it's a little more accurate, cheaper and more practical than the others.
(probennahme is eigentlich recht einfach. sobalds geht (ca. nach 0.5 bis 1cm) das staberl nach hinten/unten drehen und richtung ohrlapperl fahren bis man ansteht. am besten den kopf nur ganz leicht nach hinten. falls man den kopf zu wenig nach hinten legt kommt man nicht gut hinein, falls man ihn zu weit nach hinten legt fahrt man den hals runter statt anzustehen, was auch keine tragik ist aber würgereiz auslösen kann. im zweifelsfall sollte man eher weiter unten bei der nase entlangschrammen (niesreiz möglich) statt irgendwo weiter oben herumzustochern. wichtig is noch: wenn man an der richtigen stelle ist ein paar sekunden drinnenlassen und drehen)

if you're looking for something cheaper (i.e. fewer tests per unit sold), you can also use the joysbio antigen rapid test kit. that one uses a swab from the anterior part of the nose. according to the manufacturer it's almost as sensitive as the other kind of test (though i'm a little sceptical about that. there's a paper out there that says that taking the swab from the anterior part of the nose are 50% less sensitive, putting it at something like 92% sensitivity instead of 97%) and it's officially allowed to take the test yourself. we sell those for 9€ per test. you can probably also get it cheaper online, but then you'd again have to take the whole kit (20 tests) instead of single tests.

Danke :)

I have the one named "Novel Realy Tech", it's also a Covid-19 Antigen test - it got a bit talked down (unjustified imo) because there is a ban for this product in Germany - but that's not because the kit doesn't work (it does), but to put people off from buying it because some vendors weren't handling it appropriately. My pack was completely sealed and it all seems fine. But for my next one I'll look towards your recommendations.

It is said, that these tests also work when you get the sample just from the back of the throat (really way back) - which is what I do, because my nose is very sensitive. Would you say that too?

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3 hours ago, RTP said:

Danke :)

I have the one named "Novel Realy Tech", it's also a Covid-19 Antigen test - it got a bit talked down (unjustified imo) because there is a ban for this product in Germany - but that's not because the kit doesn't work (it does), but to put people off from buying it because some vendors weren't handling it appropriately. My pack was completely sealed and it all seems fine. But for my next one I'll look towards your recommendations.

It is said, that these tests also work when you get the sample just from the back of the throat (really way back) - which is what I do, because my nose is very sensitive. Would you say that too?

sampling from the back of the throat or the anterior part of the nose detects ca. 90-95% of positive cases compared to ca. 95-97% when taking the sample from the nasopharynx.

i really hate taking samples in the throat (and most of the time refuse to do it) because most people just can't put their tounges out of the way. also, you'll inevitably get "brechreiz" (what's the english word for that?) if you scrub and turn the sampling brush around there for the required 5 or so seconds.

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21 hours ago, Padmapani said:

"brechreiz"

"gag reflex" I'd say ... and yes, I do get that - but it's still way better than taking the sample from the nose ... so it's good to hear I'll still be fairly accurate with it - won't do it after eating or drinking anyway, best time is right in the morning before I brush teeth :P

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On 1/18/2021 at 7:00 PM, Padmapani said:

luciferase has that name because it glows. lucifer is literally the light-bringer.

we know that sars-cov-2 cannot have been bioengineered in a lab. it uses previously unknown sequences for known functions. if it were bioengineered it would use known sequences (among many other reasons).

a vaccination activates the immune system and in that respect is like a small infection. if you are so sick already that you die from the vaccine you'd definitely die from the disease. do you have any source for face paralysis?

bill gates is a rich guy who doesn't know what to do with his money, so he uses it in ways perceived to be for the common good to polish up his image. he has warned about future pandemics, just have many others over the years. and they were right.

agenda 21 is real but is a non-binding UN agreement on sustainable development and use of ressources. i have no idea what that has to do with anything.

sure, mk-ultra was real. but it never was a conspiracy theory ;)

 

luciferase- yeah i know. nothing strange about that. i concede on that one. its just a curious name. but regardless of the name - it can be used as a tracking agent - thus i included it.

 

vaccinations does trigger the immune system to produce antibodies. that much i know. but this vaccine was very hastily produced- and we have had the common cold for ages, yet no vaccine. and you mean to tell me they made vaccines up to 95% effiacacy - from different countries -  within 1 year? you must excuse my conspiracy sense throbbing. that and that these companies are making billions - yet small business are forced to shut down and fighting for a 2000 dollar check (USA). its definitely not set up for the average citizen - its set up to fuck us over.

 

bill gates is rich and he isnt a nice guy. he had countless anti-trust lawsuits back in the day. he lost in court several times. you mean to tell me he is looking out for our best?

 

agenda 21 is not only real, its being pursued, and being put into action. 

 

mk-ultra was real indeed, some people like to put it into the conspiracy slot. i wager its not meant to be there, its meant to be put into the history books, yet you dont find it there.

 

they made us, the populos, their guineapig - what makes  you think they stopped?

why do you think we are no longer their test subjects?

 

do you consider Epstein and Maxwell being part of some sort of conspiracy and not legitimate pedofiles, that hunt and kill kids? is it so bad to be a conspiracy theorist in these times?

do you find us dumb and not able to use our brains such as you have mentioned?

 

i find that slightly disrespectful.

matter of fact, i think you are the ones not using their brains. you are the ones asleep, not seing the world for it wickedness, you chosing to see the world better than what it is. you are choosing to disregard all these atrocities to make your reality feel more cozy. 

you are the ones being stupid, you are the ones not using your brain.

edit: i didnt really mean that, it was a bit harsh. i guess i just took "people not using the brains" more personal than i should. :)  its all good and i apologize for being a bit upset earlier. i shouldnt have taken it so personal. pz!

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Surprised to find a nice and mostly civil discussion about that topic. 

I have not much to add, but a lil hint I am more leaning towards the "conspiracy" side of things. Except what @astralprojectionmentioned you can also look up Klaus Schwab and the WEF (World Economy Forum): Btw. as recent times show the "conspiracy theorists" were mostly right warning of 1984 and Brave New World...eg.  "contact tracing" is pure NWO stuff imho. There would be so much to say but I understand this topic is sensible and one just wants to beat down someone who has a differing view then the "official line" on a deadly disease this is understandable..

But 2 anecdotes

- there are researchers out there, who found many hints in popular culture like movies, books and music for an event what could be described perhaps as a 2nd 9/11 and the location is somewhere on the westcoast of the US. Well that did not happen so far (terrorists - bombing or natural disaster is in the books) - this is called predictive programming or also foreshadowing.

Partly it became true cause in Seattle (= westcoast) was the first US case of C plus there is Microsoft HQ and Gates lives or lived there.

- here a somewhat funny thing, the address from the biggest German vax company (also they do cancer treatments) which gets a big contract from the gov for lots of vaxxes probably not on the cheap is:

BioNTech SE
An der Goldgrube 12 (=goldmine)
55131 Mainz
Deutschland
:rolleyes:

Edit some headlines:

Impfstoff-Produktion: Biontech fordert mehr Geld – für drei Milliarden Dosen

Biontech fordert staatliche Investitionen für Ausbau der Impfstoffproduktion

Biontech wünscht sich mehr Geld für Impfstoff-Produktion

OH YEAH i also WISH ME MORE MONEY... but I am a "useless eater" and not a Biotech company, or millitary, or bankster or Milliardär (sp in English?). 

Do people remember past "epidemics" ? Like bird flu etc. Millions of doses of vaxxes had to be trashed but the companies earned of course. As it turned out the diseases were just not very dangerous (in the past).. using the "history repeats itself" term and can for sure speculate it may be the case this time too. Only the measures etc. are much more enforced, perhaps these earlier "epidemics" were kind of test runs of the big one we have now ? Just asking questions and speculate a bit...not to mention the dozens of docs and profs coming out with the same.

Past experience and events have told me that there are very rarely coincidences in politics or economics..- also what proves you when your test says positive it is not just either the flu itself or a simmilar virus. A serious flu is deadly also to old and weakened person.. 80 year old dies when he has an heart attack, later they "find the virus" in him and the death certificate then says C has done it.. yeah where is the normal but can be deadly flu gone? Are flu cases now C-cases? Mh.

Oops a bit to much written...lol 

Personal note, I have not gotten any vax in the last 12-13 years or so, I did not get a serious flu or something simmilar at all. While I remember when I was younger I got shots which as a child is partly mandatory anyway. And I was often sick when I was younger also stomach problems etc. Ok, I also did not eat the healthiest ways. My personal conclusion is vax seem to more promote illness - one can of course totally have other experiences but that is mine. Well if one looks at incridients of vaxxes there is eg. alluminium and it is rumored something with aborted fetuses (I hope from animals) this ofc may be really a bad conspiracy theory admitted.

Oh luckily this what I said above is already "debunked" by the MSM and a physician here: https://www.op-online.de/verbraucher/impfmythen-finden-bei-skeptikern-und-verschwoerungstheoretikern-grossen-anklang-wissenschaftler-aus-bad-homburg-klaeren-auf-90176600.html

Guess when they say so it must be true, right ?

 

 

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The name of the "physician" in above article rang a bell and I googled him, he is not a medical doctor in my view. He did however "debunk" some other "conspiracies" in some other older article (not C but perhaps moon landing etc.).which I read and found weak so I remembered him...

But can you believe it he also wrote a book with me on the cover !!

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/418omENx2QL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

In 2019 here link to book (also not about C-Virus but now he is an expert on vaxxes for C in above article) yeah right...

https://www.amazon.de/Verschwörungsmythen-verdrehten-Fakten-verkauft-werden/dp/3777627801

See, no coincidences anymore for me, this guy seems a paid shill and was dragged through the media before selling "CT´s" as mentally sick or greedy money stealing people (some of them are yes, mayn are not and many CT´s turned out to be true)

Oh and whow what he says here:


Die Corona-Impfung ist besonders gefährlich für Allergiker
Gegen den Wirkstoff ist niemand allergisch. Wenn überhaupt gegen die Zusatzstoffe (WTF?). Diese sind aber auch in vielen anderen Arzneimitteln enthalten. Da unterscheidet sich die Impfung von Biontech und Pfizer in nichts von einer herkömmlichen Impfung. Im Gegenteil. Das Risiko eines anaphylaktischen Schocks ist bei einer Grippeimpfung viel höher (really?) , da diese mit Hühnereiweiß hergestellt wird.

 

or here:

Der Corona-Impfstoff ist nicht ausreichend getestet worden
Das ist ein Schlussfolgerung von Laien, die das ganze Prozedere nicht kennen. Sehr viel, was normalerweise in den ersten Phasen einer Impfstoffzulassung passiert, war schon fertig bevor (! means in English the C-vax was ready BEFORE C existed, do you need to know more) Corona überhaupt existierte. Das lag nach SARS in der Schublade (REALLY? see what I said above, earlier "epidemics" like "SARS lolol)

OOPS more from the specialist "pysician" sorry German, perhaps put it in a translator.
An der Impfung will sich die Pharamindustrie bereichern

Impfstoffe machen nur zwei Prozent der Kosten für Arzneimittel aus. Die größten deutschen Pharmaunternehmen stellen zum Beispiel gar keine Impfstoffe her. Und selbst bei großen internationalen Produzenten, beträgt der Anteil am Gesamtgeschäft nicht mehr als 25 Prozent. Im Pharmamarkt sind Impfstoffe deshalb eigentlich kein großes Thema (Perhaps but for Biotech and DNA companies!) Richtig viel verdienen kann man damit nicht, weil sie eben auch nicht teuer sein dürfen. Für die Branchenriesen geht es bei Corona-Impfstoffen eher ums Prestige. (REALLY? These giant (=Riese) companies do not care about the money, but for their prestige.... so NOT for the health of the people but their PRESTIGE (or image), whowww

 

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

Franklin D. Roosevelt

 

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2 hours ago, Multi-Media said:

Wenn überhaupt gegen die Zusatzstoffe (WTF)

Das Risiko eines anaphylaktischen Schocks ist bei einer Grippeimpfung viel höher (really?)

(! means in English the C-vax was ready BEFORE C existed, do you need to know more) Corona überhaupt existierte. Das lag nach SARS in der Schublade (REALLY? see what I said above, earlier "epidemics" like "SARS lolol)

(Perhaps but for Biotech and DNA companies!) 

(REALLY? These giant (=Riese) companies do not care about the money, but for their prestige.... so NOT for the health of the people but their PRESTIGE (or image), whowww

 

mrna vaccines contain pretty much no additives compared to your usual inactivated vaccine. you only have the mrna itself and the lipids to make up the droplet containing the mrna. typical vaccines contain a whole range of additives to attract immune cells. otherwise you'd get next to no reaction from the body.

yep. it's just that we see comparatively many allergic reactions (still a very small number) now, because the people who get allergic reactions are allergic against polyethylene glycol instead of chicken protein. in your daily life you do not notice a PEG allergy, but you do notice a chicken protein allergy, so the affected people will usually know they cannot get the vaccine in case of the flu shot.

when a new disease appears (SARS) you get people working on vaccines. when a very similar disease (COVID) appears a decade later you do not need to modify much to get a working one for the new disease. i don't see any point here. i'd rather be shocked if it was any different. that's how science works.

not really. there are many large biotech companies whose profits eclipse when can be earned with covid vaccines by far. if you mean small biotech startups like moderna or biontech, well duh, of course companies that haven't yet had any medicine approved but focus on exactly the technology that's applicable here will make most of their profits from these vaccines. so no surprise here either.

there isn't very much money to be made from these vaccines sold at imho extremely low prices. a dose of any covid vaccine costs somewhere around 10€. a dose of your typical pneumonia vaccine costs 100€. i leave the calculation of the profit margins to yourself.
the managers of such companies do neither care about the health of the people, nor about the prestige nor the profits directly. they care about creating value for the shareholders, because that's their job and if they don't they're fired (and don't profit personally from their stock options). so they'll do whatever it takes to get to stock price up and make a nice dividend for shareholders. and we do see stocks are going straight up for the companies involed in vaccine production. it's not so much about the profit they're making (of course they do profit, but not much they can do here if they have 20 competitors selling the vaccine dirt cheap) but more about the attention they get for being part of the solution to the crisis the world is in as well right now as proving they have the technology for easy development and production of highly effective future vaccines (where a lot more money can be made).

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3 hours ago, Multi-Media said:

Personal note, I have not gotten any vax in the last 12-13 years or so, I did not get a serious flu or something simmilar at all. While I remember when I was younger I got shots which as a child is partly mandatory anyway. And I was often sick when I was younger also stomach problems etc. Ok, I also did not eat the healthiest ways. My personal conclusion is vax seem to more promote illness - one can of course totally have other experiences but that is mine. Well if one looks at incridients of vaxxes there is eg. alluminium and it is rumored something with aborted fetuses (I hope from animals) this ofc may be really a bad conspiracy theory admitted.

personally, i got all the usual shots as a child, and i still get every vaccine that's recommended plus all those extra vaccines available for diseases one might encounter when travelling the world. in the past i was often sick but not anymore. this is what having an adult immune system that has already gotten lots of exposure to various germs looks like. if you want to decrease your chances of catching a cold even further, you only have to work in healthcare for a few years. exposure to pathogens (it doesn't matter if by sickness or vaccine) grants immunity.

the amount of the additives you find in vaccines is miniscule compared to the amounts you ingest in your daily life anyway. you'll get more aluminium in your daily diet (and also by using deo spray) than in any vaccine, a hundred of times more mercury from eating a single saltwater fish then you'd get from a vaccine and also a lot more formaldehyde from sitting in a room containing cheap furniture (or cigarette smoke) than from a vaccine. warning about the "risks" of these additives in vaccines is exactly the same as warning a person that they might get drunk from the little amount of ethyl alcohol that exists in every apple when said person is already an alcoholic that drinks a litre of vodka every day. it's completely nonsensical to anyone with a little knowledge in chemistry.

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On 2/7/2021 at 12:38 AM, Multi-Media said:

Surprised to find a nice and mostly civil discussion about that topic.

I celebrate that. So far, this conversation is the only one I know that goes on for the longest time without any serious escalation ... and although it doesn't sound like it, that's intended as a compliment :)

I have found my own "idea" concerning the vaccine and what I wanna do ... I'll just try as much as I can to get a traditional vaccine without mRNA. My "fear" of the mRNA vaccine is entirely gut-based and I have no proof - but I am of two opinions: first = the fear, that if my own cells start to produce a particle of a "known enemy" they might go havoc and second = the fact that you just are forced to make antibodies against a tiny spike protein and not the whole virus ... it's like "making a car known by the fact that it has halogen lights" ... what if one with xenon beams comes along, that one won't be classified as a car then?
I'd be greatly interested in getting an expert explanation as a chance to know this more and maybe even prove me otherwise ... but so far I had no success, even directly wrote to Dr. Winfried Pickl at the MedUni Vienna (who is researching cellular immune responses of Covid "with his team"), but got no reply :(

I have looked up a bit more on companies that produce a traditional vaccine, without mRNA or vector, just plain old inactivated Coronaviruses ... and there's "Sinovac" - which is a chinese company = quite unlikely that they get approved here in the EU - and "Valneva" - who are in the EU, but they are currently only doing studies in the UK and there is no chance to get into this program as an Austrian resident.

I kinda hope that they sh*t around for so long with all the current vaccination issues (I trust in stupidity of government, that's the only thing that hasn't let me down yet), that one of these traditional vaccines gets approved by the time I am "urged" to get a dose ... by then, I'll also have the, like, 10-20€ to pay for it myself (if it was really that cheap, I actually don't believe it :P ).

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2 hours ago, RTP said:

I have found my own "idea" concerning the vaccine and what I wanna do ... I'll just try as much as I can to get a traditional vaccine without mRNA. My "fear" of the mRNA vaccine is entirely gut-based and I have no proof - but I am of two opinions: first = the fear, that if my own cells start to produce a particle of a "known enemy" they might go havoc and second = the fact that you just are forced to make antibodies against a tiny spike protein and not the whole virus ... it's like "making a car known by the fact that it has halogen lights" ... what if one with xenon beams comes along, that one won't be classified as a car then?
I'd be greatly interested in getting an expert explanation as a chance to know this more and maybe even prove me otherwise ... but so far I had no success, even directly wrote to Dr. Winfried Pickl at the MedUni Vienna (who is researching cellular immune responses of Covid "with his team"), but got no reply :(

I have looked up a bit more on companies that produce a traditional vaccine, without mRNA or vector, just plain old inactivated Coronaviruses ... and there's "Sinovac" - which is a chinese company = quite unlikely that they get approved here in the EU - and "Valneva" - who are in the EU, but they are currently only doing studies in the UK and there is no chance to get into this program as an Austrian resident.

I kinda hope that they sh*t around for so long with all the current vaccination issues (I trust in stupidity of government, that's the only thing that hasn't let me down yet), that one of these traditional vaccines gets approved by the time I am "urged" to get a dose ... by then, I'll also have the, like, 10-20€ to pay for it myself (if it was really that cheap, I actually don't believe it :P ).

i try to get any mrna vaccine i can. now with the studies out and millions vaccinated we know they are safe and more effective than the competition. this together with being easier and faster to produce makes them the vaccines of the future. (if anyone's interested why we get mrna vaccines just now this scishow video explains it in simple layman terms.)

i acutally declined the bullshit astra zeneca vaccine today. if i can get biontech or moderna in two months i have better protection sooner than if i get astra today (i wonder how astra zeneca even got their study that's riddled with sloppy statistics, widely varying study protocols between subject groups and seemingly arbitrary choice of what's included in what metric published in any journal). also even though astra seems to convert most serious cases to mild cases that isn't much help against long covid, which is my main worry.

with an mrna vaccine your cells start producing parts of the enemy just as when you get a viral infection. the main difference is that it's not the whole virus so it cannot replicate and infect more tissues (the virus can spread to and kill nerve cells, endothelial cells in your blood vessels, heart muscle cells, etc. while the vaccine almost exclusively gets to the muscle its injected in and the relevant immune cells).

the spike protein is what sticks out of the virus and is the main target for antibody production in this case anyway. the only other accessible target is the nucleocapsid protein which sits below the spike on the virus and as we now know isn't responsible for immunity in most people (the exact targets on the virus that are recognised by the immune system depend on which individual immune cells your body has produced and come into contact with the viral proteins). iirc >80% of antibodies people produce bind to some spot on the spike protein, and even there around 50% (again iirc) bind the receptor binding domein of the spike protein.

but if you're looking for a "taditional" vaccine novavax is your best bet. it's an inactivated vaccine but the study shows a very high efficacy. definitely something i'd also happily take if i happen to get the chance before biontech/moderna. the sinovac vaccine had promising preliminary data from the early days of their phase 3 study, but in the end that didn't hold up. 50% efficacy isn't much to brag about when multiple competetors have 90% or above.

oh yeah, the stupidity of the government is something you can always count on. i can't wait for the day when i can finally leave this sorry excuse for a country again. having to stay here for the whole winter instead of spending at least a month in a civilised place where they base their decisions on facts rather than the interests of demented province politicians (or their friends) or on what they expect will appeal to the gut feeling of the idiotic masses really gets on my nerves.

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Now that is odd...

...I could have sworn that I already replied to this topic again :huh:

Maybe the Covid mafia has deleted my post because it contained the cure for humanity?
Nah I'm not gonna pretend to be that good :D ... but hear me out on it:

Thanks @Padmapani for the mentioning of NOVAVAX, I didn't know what that was and I read up on it ... it's not a traditional vaccine, but it has no mRNA. They build a microparticle only consisting of Coronavirus spikes. Clever! That, however, again has the "danger" that the body doesn't see the whole virus...

But I think I have the solution. (I kind of want to do this now, "for fun" (if safe for my health) - to not get an mRNA or vector vaccine.)

The best bet could be to initially immunize with NOVAVAX against the spikes - and THEN as an "afterstrike", weeks later, inject ordinary deactivated Covid-19 viruses, repeatedly at best (every few weeks or months) and also with mutations (why not) ... the spikes will attract immune cells because these cells have been pre-trained by the initial NOVAVAX immunization and the "aftershots" of plain inactivated Coronaviruses will keep the immune cells occupied so that immunity stays up and they also can be used as an "update to the latest mutated version" = like with the flu vac every year...

... wouldn't that be it?

Ofc you can do that scheme with the BioNtech one as an initial immunization too ... but I wanna do it without mRNA or vector :P

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On 2/16/2021 at 11:04 PM, RTP said:

... wouldn't that be it?

i don't think we'll se a "traditional" inactivated vaccine here any time soon. and if we do it's probably not going to be too effective. the hard part about making an inactivated vacccine is getting the immune system to do much (using all kinds of additives to provoke some reaction) and apparently the technique used by novavax is pretty effective compared to more traditional ones.

for the booster for south african or brazilian variants the key is probably for them to be available soon enough (we hear enough reports of new waves in regions that had previously reached herd immunity to the original variant). now with the situation in tyrol and the incompetence of our government i'm not sure if we have enough time for anything to come to the market. still, due to their advantage in development time mrna vaccines will again be first. novavax are already working on a booster for the new variants too, but they'll probably take 2-4 months longer until it will eventually be available.

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Israel is done with COVID-19 and almost all the restrictions were lifted (except for the incoming travellers without vaccination).

I myself got vaccinated twice (Pfizer/BioNTech) just about when I was able to get an appointment, which is beginning of March. 

Little by little we start seeing parties in weekends both indoors and outdoors. Hope ya'll don't eat that conspiracy bullshit about vaccinations. They undoubtedly work and was injected in hundreds of Millions already. So wherever you are, get jabbed ASAP and let this party rolling

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I purchased some vaccine online. So far so good, starting to feel a bit weird and I'm having mild visual "symptoms". ;)

I wonder if in the near future, the scientists will be able to localize which gene/perhaps bloodtype? That might be responsible for making some people more sensitive to the virus?

 

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It's the german Techno Viking spirit. I can't even imagine how people who are into conspiracy theories can keep up these days with the huge amount of stuff out there. :D It's like a golden era really for that sub-culture. 

 They should divide the internet into two sections, one fakenews/sci-fi one and another for "reality". 

Oh I forgot they already did, facebook is one side. I forgot which one ;) 

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3 hours ago, Psychedelic Superbeast said:

seems that me and all people i know are "suprime Ultra Aryans" with immunity to that horrific Virus...

Blood from the Goa Gods! also called Psykovsky Genes 

I wonder if this super blood is for sale somewhere? It's such a Wishful Sinful concept. :P

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