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yeah, the sales issue is a huge one too bad darker stuff does not get more love I'd personally love to see much more dark/minimal/prog stuff since the darkpsy and prog stuff is what is really floating my boat these days I'd love to hear more of it mixed together haste the day... maybe I'll just have to go into the lab and MAKE some I've wanted to get started, maybe this could be my motivation ... PsyON

@LLB just got the latest from Noisy Pipes - really dig it thanks for the reco have an awesome day PsyON

Hey all - IMO this topic has turned out way better than I ever expected and really thank everyone for tuning in and contributing. What is interesting to me is that I really was looking for non-psy ELECTRONIC releases, but have gotten some great recommendations for non electronic music anyway and I find it very enjoyable. As a lover of sooooo much music that I could never have time to listen to it all, I truly love the idea of only making time for the classics, the timeless masterpieces that make music worth living for. Call it snobby or whatever I'm just finding out that life is too short to waste on music that really doesn't matter. And I'm not one of those guys who thinks that the stuff I'm not really in to personally is not important or classic or whatever just because its not in a vein that really moves me. But I do like enough music that almost no genres are left out (country music and mtv pop though...) So, in the spirit of how this thread has evolved, I will roll with everyone and deviate a little to share some of the albums I consider to be masterpiece classics that are not psy, not electronic, and I believe have not been mentioned on here yet. Genesis - Foxtrot Trespass The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway Selling England by the Pound Nursery Cryme King Crimson - Red Starless and Bible Black In the Court of the Crimson King Yes - The Yes Album Close to the Edge Fragile Yes Time and A Word Van Der Graaf Generator - H To He Who Am the Only One Pawn Hearts Godbluff Still Life Camel - Mirage The Snow Goose Camel Moonmadness Gentle Giant Gentle Giant Acquiring the Taste Three Friends In A Glass House Jehtro Tull Thick As A Brick Aqualung Stand Up This Was Gryphon Gryphon Midnight Mushrumps Red Queen to Gryphon Three Raindance Nektar Journey to the Centre of the Eye Recycle Sounds Like This Down to Earth Remember the Future A Tab in the Ocean Rick Wakeman Journey to the Centre of the Earth The Six Wives of Henry VIII The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table Steve Hillage Fish Rising Triumvirat Illuminations on a Double Dimple Spartacus Yezda Urfa Boris Sacred Baboon Caravan In the Land of Grey and Pink Waterloo Lily For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night Eloy Inside The Power and the Passion Ocean Floating Greenslade Bedside Manners are Extra Spyglass Guest Greenslade Focus In and Out of Focus Moving Waves Focus III Hamburger Concerto and possibly the greatest and most talented band of all time Emerson, Lake & Palmer Tarkus Brain Salad Surgery Emerson, Lake & Palmer Trilogy anyway there is my additional 2 cents worth about some sorta psychedelic, or at least trippy music with a wide range of influences that really rocks my world when I'm not listening to Psy or Techno... these albums are definitely essential as musical pieces but I understand this progressive rock thing does not appeal to everyone if you ever want to give it a chance though - these are truly the great ones not a definitive list by any means, but a good list to start with. Thanks for participating in this thread everyone, I think its very flavorful and fun to be a part of. Cheers

I got your back my friend SA stuff for me for sure Timecode, Nexus etc... Phyx, Abomination, Artifakt, Broken Toy, Tickets, Hydraglyph, Shift, Twisted System, Frozen Ghost and a host of others Love that South African sound... If I had to choose any other besides SA or Goa it would probably be prog

@rino for a tekno head kinda guy, you sure do have good taste in hip hop music I used to love the stuff myself, could not get enough of the real mc's who had skill and contributed something new to the music but lately all rap has just lost its flavor, the industry is really dead IMO and its having an effect on my ability to listen even to the old stuff I loved because I have so soured to hip hop music Nas - BIG - Jay - Em - Eric B & Rakim, Cube - Kane - Mobb Deep - Beasties - Gangstarr - Public Enemy and all things Wu-Tang related (GZA - Method Man - RZA - Ghostface - Cappadonna - Sunz Of Man - Killarmy - Gravediggaz - Deck - Raekwon) these are the top notch artists of all times (of course I prolly missed a few but you know) All great stuff, but still - I'd rather listen to Psy, Techno (the real stuff, thanks rino) and old 70s progressive rock ala ELP, Genesis, King Crimson and Yes.

Sadly, "Outkast - Speakerboxxx/ The Love Below" is the highest selling hip hop album of all time at 11 million copies. Eminem's Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP both sold 10 million.

Dig it, thanks for the link. Good to see someone with passion get hooked and decide to pursue some dreams and be happy. Good for him. Looking forward to maybe seeing a full length someday. Cheers

OK everyone, If you're like me, you have probably tried to organize and re-organize, and re-re-organize your music library to get all your tunes in to nice little pockets so you can easily find everything. Also, though -- if you're like me, you prolly run into the constant problem of categorizing the stuff that is not directly NAILED by a certain genre. Examples of the main categories (IMO) Full-on Darkpsy Prog Goa SA/Dark-on Suomi Ambient [and obviously these genres can have morning & night sections] and so on and so on... my real trouble comes with stuff like old IM, or Eat Static, Hux Flux, S.M.I.L.E., Skazi (just to name a few) We always see people using "Psy" or "Psytrance" as a way to label all the stuff that does not neatly fit elsewhere. But WTF? How the hell does Psy always end up as a sub-category of itself? My challenge to Psynewsers... come up with a fitting name to replace this horribly misplaced and poorly tagged sub-category. We need a good catch-all -- something besides Psy or Psytrance. Psy to me means all of it, the whole scene... Anyway - I'm not saying I have the answer, but I know there are many brilliant minds on this forum and I'd love to see what you come up with. Hit me... and as always PsyON

@yerg totally forgot about DJ Shadow Entroducing is a wonderful record reminds me as well of other Turntablism based records I have enjoyed especially Birdy Nam Nam's self titled from 2005 and this year's Manual For Successful Rioting

@Rino absolutely LOVING speedy J thanks a ton for sharing appreciated its all good that you're a tekno head keep on being you my friend cheers

So far so good everyone.. Really loving the suggestions Its exactly what I need too, because of my lack of experience with all the non psy music I'm finding that there is more and more music I really love I just don't know what it is yet!!! Keep the lists coming... Cheers

I was trying to think of what to spin next... You made up my mind for me. Maelstrom it is. Cheers

For me, Psy IS the drug. I used to use a lot of different narcotics and enjoyed a lot of the different experiences I had while using them. Now that I am older, and a devout Christian, I no longer use illicit drugs. As such, I do still like music that creates a certain type of euphoria and state of mind that reminds me a lot of the old days. This is how I really still enjoy the music even though I neither believe in any of the above mentioned themes (except for God of course) nor use drugs. The music really just is the medicine, IMO. There is an awful lot to be enjoyed in this music regardless of what you believe or use. I just try to take it all for what it is, like reading important books or studying philosophers, writers, artists and scientists who hold different views. It is still educational. In the end, its really just music right? But it is fun to trip out a little to trippy music. And yes, I still stay up late, light candles and incense and dream about my younger years, just with a clear and sober mind now. Great thread my friend, thanks for posting. Cheers

So I was looking on Ektoplazm at Basilisk's "essential selections" and it has been very helpful to explore some of the more important, good and historical psy releases. (Excellent resource btw, and you should check it out) http://www.ektoplazm.com/projects/essential-selections/ As a fan of all types of electronic music, I am wondering... What are the most important/great albums from the history of non-psy electronic music? I'd love to see your lists of the albums every fan MUST have/hear or at least respect. You can take from Techno, House, Breakbeat, Drum n Bass, Dubstep, Minimal, Tech-House, Electro... anything really. I look forward to seeing what my fellow psynewsers come up with. Cheers, and thanks for checking out this post. PsyON

I dig them all each has a little different variation on the flavour which I think makes them all rich in their own right Personally I chose Heliopolis, maybe because its the one I have listened to most Or possibly just to not be on the Daze bandwagon (which I love btw) Anyway - love the Filteria sounds keep on making the juicy goodness - I love it all PsyON

does South Africa count? if so, there is tons of music that is amazing from there let me know if you can use SA and I'll drop a bunch of recommendations cheers, and good luck with your assignment PsyON

Got it, love it, gonna listen again... cheers GoaON

lol its the audition for american idol picture looks good enough don't you think anyway - can't wait for the album hurry up proto... need the new tunes

Cool - can't wait to see all the new site goodies. We are friends on lastfm now btw. Thanks for the add. Also following on twitter keep up the good work I just got a job today, so now I can start /buying/ psytrance again hooray :posford:

One other thought I had that would make the site even more cool than it is now is to add your tags to the recommendations section. Be very cool for people to browse through your essentials lists by tag. At least I think it would be cool. Plus it really helps to know the style as you are investigating artists and records you may have never heard before. Anyway - my 2 extra cents. Love Ektoplazm... peace

Ekto rocks my world again thanks much and keep on doing what you do. cheers! PsyON

excellent "rad" usage takes me back to my childhood thanks for being gnarly PsyON

hip hop has destroyed everything here in america not just music, but culture, language, clothing, television - EVERYTHING just can't believe the consumers still just gobble it up no matter how trite and unoriginal it is and the music is terrible... its just unlistenable garbage and it rules the roost too bad...I wish we had more psy/electro/tech-house/ambient etc producers that could get even 1% of the money and marketing that hip hop gets then america could really see some good music but the rule here is "if it aint on mtv, it aint music" and I can't even get started with whats wrong with the rest of american music producers/live artists/DJs - PLEASE MAKE THE AMERICAN PSY SCENE STRONGER much love and respect to all

Holy crap - I was thinking the same thing. Mods --- reach out and touch someone! That spam is awful - please do something about it. Consider this my +1 to technosomy's comments happy Sunday PsyON

gangpsty it is very possible that hip hop could ruin Psy like it has absolutely destroyed everything else its touched would not be surprised if some darkpsy/gangsta rap etc was the next big thing. hard bass lines and brash drum sounds with some guy blathering on about bitches and spinnaz ok I'm going now, might actually throw up