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Nope, they don't. You probably don't follow techno music very closely if you think we were saying the same thing. All of the names I listed above are simultaneously producers and DJs. What got them their superstardom status is first and foremost their killer production. Examples: Jeff Mills = The Bells, Alarms Umek = Gatex, Lanicor Ben Sims = Manipulation Laurent Garnier = Greed, Acid Eiffel Sven Vath = Dein Schweiss Dave Clarke = Wisdom To The Wise, The Wonk Speedy J = Ginger, G Spot, Krekc Valentino Kanzyani = Teaching How To Do It Richie Hawtin = Minus Orange Green Velvet = The Stalker Adam Beyer = Igniton Key, Acid Code Petar Dundov = Kaskada Joey Beltram = Energy Flash .......... I hope you understand I can keep doing this for days.......... These are all examples of producers who thanks to their amazing and jaw dropping production became extremely famous DJs. So, you only become an important and stable DJ once your production breaks through, ergo there are no real DJ unless they are backed by their own, fantastic production... And that is not what you were saying.

Techno? No way Jose! And shame on you for even thinking it is so. The golden rule of techno is that behind every great DJ there is an even greater killer track that got him where he is. Check ALL the legends: Garnier, F.E.O.S., Clarke, Mills, Slater, Speedy J, Vath, Derrick May, Beltram, Liebing, Lakebusch, Dundov, Kanzyani, DJ Rush, Robert Hood,Vogel, Pet Duo, Mullero, B.M.B., Beyer, Ben Sims, Brikha, Green Velvet, Carl Craig, Dave Angel, Ishii, Umek, Claude Young, DJ Hell, Takkyu Ishino, Parisio, and the list goes on and on and on and on... Each and every one of these legends became a legend because they ALL had ground breaking, chart topping singles! Subsequently, they became in demand DJs. A great DJ only gets full recognition when he is backed up by top notch production.

I'm getting rid of those pretty soon... Unfortunately, after years of being a dedicated follower of mr. Hawtin, the man just stopped to amaze me. Which is sad, since I picked up almost everything with his name on it during the years... Anyways, for you who are looking for some real quality minimal techno, here's an oldie that never fails in my ears: Brother's Yard- Reaction (1999) (PV) http://www.discogs.com/release/40265 Seems like you can pick it up for next to nothing on discogs. It's more than worth it, IMO!

I appreciate all of your guys knowledge and output, but I think some of you are making somewhat a mistake: you seem to be confusing the first and the most influental! It is not the same thing, naturally. The mere fact somebody was there first does not necessarily make him the best or most influental; it only makes him the first... Countless are situations where the pupil exceeded the teacher, right? Morton Subotnick, Ilhan Mimaroglu and others are all pioneers, but they've been outmatched in their own game plenty of times. Which of coarse, does not diminish their overall importance in the history of electronic music, but it does not make them (IMHO) prime examples of the style. I once read an article about this guy who already in the sixties went around, recording various sounds, and then cutting & pasting the tape at home, in order to create music. My point is, this guy is so unknown, that I even menaged to forget his name, but the shit he was doing back then was outta this world. He use to come up with music from recording the world around him. Back in the sixties!!! And he probably had no match. You barely ever hear electronic music heads speak about him, but this guy used to mess around with sampling before sampling existed... Get it? Anyways, some great names in this list, man!

V/A Totemism (Etnica remixed 1996-2006) Artist: Various Title: Totemism (Etnica remixed 1996-2006) Label: EtnicaNet Records Year: 2007 Catalog #: ET-017 Tracklisting: 01. Etnica- the dominator (beacon mix by Pion) (07:34) 02. Etnica- automatik (colors mix by Ptx) (08:21) 03. Etnica- totenism (totemized mix by Etnica vs. Arkanoydz) (07:26) 04. Etnica- microdrive (reminder mix by Bamboo Forest) (07:19) 05. Etnica- trip tonite (tsunami mix by Wizzy Noise) (09:50) 06. Etnica- vimana (back 2 old school mix by Dickster) (08:18) 07. Etnica- the object (lost planet mix by Arkanoydz) (06:55) 08. Etnica- trip tonite (ethilic eden mix by Aes Dana and Nova) (10:40) Love 'em for what they are or hate 'em for what they are not. Call for the good old times which ain't coming back or bitch about the present which just might seem good, but not quite on par with those golden days mentioned a few syllables back... Point is, whatever you may think about Etnica anno 2007, I seriously doubt they give a flying fuck- about you and your opinion. Why should they? They are based in Ibiza, and probably get more pussy and Margherita cocktails in a week then you can count sheep in your sleep during an entire life time. My guess is that they're as tired of wannabe old school nostalgic purists as well as avalanches of whimpering ex-fans left with some sweet memories and the same classic albums in constant rotation. I am one of them, and not ashamed of it either. And the fact I just wrote it down probably won't make me stop defame their newer music... So where's the catch? It's here somewhere, all right? It's just that I came to realize that after years of constantly talking shit about what is left of this once amazing quartet, I might as well try to correct a wrong and buy the damn album. I mean, talking shit with little or no arguments seems to be the name of the game all over the world today, so I'll just try a different route. Or maybe I just bought this album, rather than any other of Etnica's more recent outputs, due to the mere fact they actually had very little to do with these remixes, as they were all done by other artists. Sounds kind of unfair and low coming from me, but Max & Mauri brought me nothing but disappointment for years. Yeah, yeah, we each have our taste and all, but mine just couldn't be any further from the stuff they've been pushing out on the market. Can it come to an end? Well, with a roster of artists as popular as these, how bad can it be? First off, those looking for a track by track guide, you won't find it here; go and look in the Artist news and label announcements sub-forum, where a very eloquent, refined and spot-on track summary allready sits and awaits you, dear reader. With my modest vocabulary, I could not top that. Second of all, there isn't much to say about each track in particular, as they're not an emblem of complexity or diversity. Having present their current geographical location, it is not hard to conclude what type of audience is targeted with this release. You have seven extremely dance friendly, fast, uplifting and pretty much mainstream orientated full on tracks, with a downtempoish closing number. They are far from being psychadelic, but I didn't have high hopes for that anyways. What they lack in the psychadelia and melodic structure departments, they make up for with extreme energy and enormous cross over potential. I mean, shit, but if tracks like Wizzy Noise's remix of Trip Tonite, Ptx's take on Automatik, Arkanoydz' remix of The Object or Dickster's actually more than decent remake of the classic Vimana don't wreck clubs or festival arenas alike, then this release is a total fiasco... By no means are these tracks mind blowing, revolutionary, and they are very unlikely to start a new trend or genre, but I doubt you'll care if you ever came across them at some party. Like hell you would- chances are you won't give a damn about who's tune is it, your ass'll be bouncing all over the ceiling. These tracks pack enough energy to hold back a frontal attack of enraged bulls in Pamplona! Do not be deceited though: not a single one of these track is as half as good as its original, but the fun part is that they are not pretending to be! If you listen to this album, not as some stupid childish competition, but as what it is, an hour long, mainstream, very easy on the ears party ride, you might be able to draw more out of it. It's not all sunflowers and bees though, as Pion's remix and the Totemism track could not put a smile on my face if I got my dick sucked by a porn star every time I listened to them. Taster's choice I guess. Then, what's all the hype with the last track. I did not manage once to listen to it all the way through, and that is saying a lot, if I think of all that shit that has passed through my headphones. The track is, hmh, bad? Worse. Hell, Aes Dana must have been taking a week off producing when he decided to jump in the ride and add a little sumthin'-sumthin' to this collage of works. I'll make this my official memorandum: can you, all of you, please stop remixing Trip Tonite? Get a hobby- go gamble, get drunk, step on cockroaches, iron your girlfriend's undies, whatever- stop remixing that track. OK? To end on a good note (as I always try to do), if you are not familiar with it by now, then get your act together and hear me out: Bamboo Forest's remix of Microdrive is an amzing track. By the farest far it is the best tune on the compilation. It has everything you could ask in a modern full on track with a heavy dose of old school elements. Unlike the previously listed tracks, this one should blow minds at home while keeping the hands and feet busy at party events! I won't recommend this, but I won't diss it either, as it won't help or do anybody justice. The ones who will enjoy this the most are those occasional psy listeners, festival freaks, and just about anybody who's keen to visit the sunny island of Ibiza. In short, this is music that sells, goes by well on festivals and is very in demand at popular clubs. I guess you could say the philosophy of this would be like We give you what you want, not what you need to hear. There you go.

I'm not too crazy about dark psy due to my own personal taste, but objectively speaking Goa Gil has some good tunes, whether you like that style or not. I don't, but with a blindfold on I can imagine the crowd going berserk during his DJ sets. As many others, I respect his general output and influence in the scene, I find his whole figure somewhat funny and weird, I even (to a certain extent) find his music very suitable for some quality partying & dancing, but for fuck's sake: Goa Gil has got to be THE single worst DJ to have evargh come across the decks and a mixer!!! The man cannot paste two tracks together with some super glue. His mixing, or at least that is what it should be, is horrendous, and that is putting it politely.

Wrong. Last april, Kevin Saunderson came to Zagreb to celebrate 20 (!!!) years of active involvement in the worl of electronic music. The whole damn club was packed with addicted party goers, ravers, techno heads, old schoolers, general and occasional electronic music lovers and all other kinds of conoisseurs of this genre. It was magical, and it is living proof #1 that your statement is wrong. Living proof #2 that your statement is wrong is DJ Tiesto. His gig in Zagreb was a total financial fiasco. They could not even count 1000 people inside the venue. And he is THE known DJ star that teen girlies scream after, and what happens? Well, nothing much. Knowing what kind of music he plays, the people did not show up. Does being a famous DJ automatically mean a packed club? Hell no. Does a famous DJ assume that 20000 people will show up no matter what and where he plays. Hell no. So, where do you get all these accurate percentages from anyways?

Hahaha, what an amazing thread. Here are some of my guilty pleasures: Whigfield- saturday night The ultimate mid nineties euro dance track Soft Cell- tainted love The track, OK, but the video is just atrocious Marco V- the world of godd A few years back I heard it on this retro party and all, the tune almost brought tears into my eyes. No idea why, but I've been putting it on every once in a while since then. LL Cool J- mamma said knock you out Fuck me with a knife, but I just cannot resist this hip hop oldie, plus the production is done by the legendary Marley Marl... Michael Jackson- bad The video with hime and his posse doin' their thing in the subway is a classic! Masters of ceremony- way of life My ultimate hard core track from waaaaaay back in the days!!! Tine Turner- simply the best It is true, this song is simply the best... Right? Scatman John- I'm the scatman The guy who always use to wear fancy suits, and stutter while singing about racism, social equality, abolishment of poverty and so forth. It's been a while since I heard it. The Beastie Boys- intergalactic The chorus, which goes something like Intergalactic planetary - planetary intergalactic is possibly the worst, most annoying chorus evargh, but I cannot help it! Sinead O'Connor- nothing compares to you During those rare occasions when I'm completely depressed, broke and rejected by practically everyone, I listen to this song. She is an excellent singer, nonetheless, but this particular song is so odd and off track, if you are familiar with my usual taste.

+1 Last I heard is that there were some troubles around this particular re-issue as James Monro and Matt Evans split up in a non friendly way or something like that. But that could only be a rumour though, I cannot confirm or deny that.

Yeah, but that is the incomplete cover art, there is more, at least there is more to what I have! I have no idea who is behind this artwork, but I can ask around and try to come out with a name...

Yeah I agree with the tracks sounding amazing and all, and I am as excited as one can be about the release, but what's up with the alterations related to the cover art??? Some days ago I was wandering about this croatian forum and I bumped into what seems to be the real album cover... And I find it more suitable/appropriate to their music; it's more spacey, so to speak. And it is much more effective, original and constructive than the one presented here! Is there any logical explenation for that? I mean, why exchange a better cover for an IMHO inferior one? Thus far I always enjoyed your covers, but this one just fails to capture my attention. What's the deal here? You could at least let the potential costumers see the difference and all. I feel kind of awkward looking at this modified album cover art, knowing what it use to look like... Right?

I won't bitch, too much that is. Seraph's original post pretty much adequately summed up some of the greatest names and their influence on modern and contemporary electronic music. However, it is down right blasphemous to include Plastikman AKA Richie Hawtin on this list and miss out on at least one of Detroit's godfathers of techno music. Remember, and don't forget, that whilst unquestionably very talented, mr. Hawtin belongs to the second generation of those legendary Detroit giants (even though he's a Canadian), but it's very questionable where would he stand today if it wasn't for the likes of Underground Resistance (Hood, Mad Mike Banks, Mills), D. May, Kevin Saunderson, Atkins to pave the path for him!

Hm, I have never been a conoisseur/fan of ambient music. I do not consider myself to be competent or fully able to judge or appreciate this type of music. For reference only, I have a few albums feauturing Pete Namlook, and I absolutely adore to listen to them when I'm in for some quality chill time. I don't know or care whether they are generally considered good or bad, for they suite my taste! Ultimae Records. I began to take interest in this label after reading all the praise on this forum (READ: abasio). But I mainly found the releases to be sold out and out of stock, especially the ones to be considered 5/5 albums. So this leaves me with a few of their releases, which I find good, but not mind blowing, but I feel like am missing out on a lot, even though the "psy chill" was nevargh something I'd drool for. Yes, the covers, photos and sound quality of their releases is superb, but I find the music light years behind releases as Dreamfish, From Within... My two cents!

I did the exact same thing. Why? Because after multiple listens, after years of being an Etnica fan, their freshman release is something I go back to more often. My honest opinion is that in retrospective, Etnica may have peaked early I am almost in the mood of trading it away... The more time goes by, the less I like it... Except those two amazing ambientesque tracks, the opening and the closing number, the rest of the album fails to amaze me time after time...

I think you, or whoever it might have been, mixed the great and hopefully soon enough resurrected Flying Rhino Records with the seminal pop music record label, Rhino Entertainment Company. Anyways, an interesting debate, I had no idea they went under to Warner Bros...

Yeah, from a certain viewpoint Sunday Bloody Sunday would be their career defining song, but while it is awesome, it is IMHO the moment when their careers and future musical directions were definitely shaped: the world (and the guys from the band) fully realized the potential and the profitability of socially aware, conscious and politically charged music Not that it is a bad thing, but sometimes I have the feeling that U2 gave in their innocence and pure music in favor of politics and over the top preaching... I still hold tracks like the highly emotional Bad or the rowdy Fire to be their finest tunes! And speaking of politics, how could we overlook Pride (in the name of love)? A wonderful, completely amazing tribute to Martin Luther King.

U2- With or without you For an outstanding blend of 80's synth pop, the then so popular rock-pop, amazing use of U2's trademark infinte guitar and the standardly stellar song writting courtesy of Bono... A timeless track.

It is a DJ mix, it is just that mr. Hawtin is such a lame ass junkie, he has serious trouble fully understanding what is it that he is actually trying to do.

I still have that CD Maxi-Single! It kind of lost its power during the years, but remains one of the most emotional pieces of techno music. Ever!!! Each and every self respecting Detroit DJ has at least two copies of this tune, I reckon...

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAH man... As far as Richie Hawtin goes, his Decks, EFX & 909 mix is so superior to this wannabe-the show off- master DJ mix. I still remember that amazing part where Richie plays around with his take on Yello's "Oh yeah", "Minus Orange", and then mixes in Nitzer Ebb's immortal "Let your body learn"... Beautiful!!! And then later sticking together Sims', Mills' and Surgeon's tracks into an amazing collage of techno killers... Such a great mix! I always considered DE9 | Closer To The Edit to be the overrated DJ mix, while the real talent was displayed on Decks, EFX & 909, kind of the same thing with Jeff Mills' Exhibitionist - A Jeff Mills Mix and his ground breaking Mix-Up Vol. 2 Featuring Jeff Mills - LiveMix At Liquid Room, Tokyo As for those trance mixes, I like Tsuyoshi Suzuki's Deck Wizards- Goa Trance Mix (1996) (Psychic Deli), mainly due to an awesome balance between a slew of great classics and excellent mixing decks skills, as usual with Tsuyoshi!

That was the first original CD I ever bought. I barely ever listen to it nowadays, but I recally that "L'hotel" and "You gotta say to another excess" being two stellar tracks. As far as Yello goes, I find them to be a hit and miss type of group- there are certain songs of theirs that I find to be timeless classics, while some of their music I find utterly disposable. And I tend to agree with antic, as some of their better outputs were ruined by pretty bad singing...

Cosmosis- Gift Of The Gods I'd take antic's spot on description and apply it to this track. Except for the long part, the rest of antic's adjectives were clearly meant to decorate this track's absolute & divine beauty! My all time favorite track. Cosmosis is not my all time favorite artist, but this track is just outta this galaxy- it knocks the competition out of the frame. A true gift of the gods.

Another thing that popped into my mind today as I was giong through some of my older records is that I know an old school goa trance track dating back to 1995 which uses heavy guitar riffs. I do not know whether you are familiar with it or not, but Dans Ta Figure, a 1995 track from Cosmosis' "Cannabanoid EP" on Transient Records, has some really intense guitar work on it... While S.U.N. Project most definitely made it big and official, I think that electric guitars in trance were "alive" even prior to their arrival. I even think (not positive though) that an ancient Ubar Tmar tune had some electric guitars in it too!

Very nice list you made there Basilisk, and seraph added some bonafide golden oldies there too! However, I wanted to add a little contribution to this very extensive list: I think that Boris Blenn's (AKA Electric Universe) track Online Information is the origin of psy-breaks, rather then Z's Uncle Mavis. I even think Boris' track is older and much more influential for that sub style. And another thing is I just think that as far as the whole tech/minimal/prog discussion goes, the list cannot be complete without Organic Noise's 1997 12" Labyrinth Of Colours/Acid Soul on TIP Records!