astralprojection

im confused... i couldve sworn this got released back then.... oh well.. better late than ever i guess.

Exactly. These days they have everything at their disposal, thus allowing the artist to truly shape and mold their sound into perfection/the vision they have. Not being limited by certain gear. And just like you said, that very limitation sparks creativity, and now, with no limitations, sadly the musical creativity suffers slightly, which is exactly what I meant above.. With the music almost being secondary to the sound itself,whereas the opposite was true in the old days. I think we found the difference between old school and new school. I'm certain, at least.

Yeah, now that I think about it I don't think ethereal sounds all that new schoolish.. Quazar though, it's really cool it's from 2001 because it sounds newer than that. So, ethereal is out, synsun currently is the winner :p

Agree to disagree then

very nice insights and some food for thought here. but id like to steer back to production style, because new school goa seems to have much more focus in mixing/technical side. More "perfect" like kicks, basslines, hihats, etc. Everything is precisely engineered to absolute perfection (to the best of the artists ability anyway) whereas the old school goa; was much more about the actual music - and the mix and the sound itself was secondary. now, with new school, i feel the sound and the technical aspect of the track is more in the forefront than it was, and the music comes almost secondary, or at the very least; on equal grounds. this is ofc a very broad generalisation, and there are tons of exceptions.. but as to the discussion in the above comments, i think those tracks (MFG, Calfornia sunshine, BPC, yahel) are very old school BUT its a more floaty type of goatrance. (which happens to be my favorite type) I like the way your brain works Psychedelic Superbeast we are really getting down into the core, the essence and soul - of goa here.

nice, ethereal wins! in your face jannis! and chi-ad made old school in 2004. even though Earth Crossing is borderline, production style is more new than old, but music style is more old than new.. who else have made New Old School music? and for me the defining track of the genre is Artifact303 - Feelings. it just dont get better synsun - quazar was really good. 2001? Had missed it, thanks =)

Sounds completely old school.. Koxbox meets slinky wizard meets manmademan. really good

I completely agree on skarma, he has a very nice and warm sound but to my ears it still do sound like software though. And that's fine :)

^ do you know of any New Old School tracks or did I just make that up a few comments ago ? Is everything made since 2004 technically New School? Or what in your mind, would constitute something being produced now; but still Old School ? So pretty much same question recursion asked me

excellent question! Skarma is probably one of those artists, that I would say have both New and Old School production style at the same time. So both Same with Afgin, actually, tracks like Afgin - Shine On , Id say actually IS New Old School =) edit: meh, Skarma too, now that i go through those two tracks you linked me. If that isnt New Old School then I really dont think it exists. So good point and good questions

not sure probably the style of music. no, i dont think so. and if it was then i think the breaking point must be 2003/2004 yep, that has alot to do with it for sure, but certainly not every time. filteria for example who is a hardware nut =) yes. production style is for me the thing that defines it. good question! uhm, i guess not really a hard answer, since style of music seems to be the most defining character; i think the same way a person could make newschool goa he could also make oldschool goa (meaning LESS layers, LESS software-like sound, using hardware sequencers and synths for sure will help here)

great input this is exactly why i started the topic its very interesting to read others opinions about it. I do remember that Ypsilon-5 album, and it was also a fresh gust of wind, but it wasnt really captivating to me then, it sounded a bit too awkward there in the ether, not old-school and to me, not new school either, just in between. Alot of artists had tons of "in between" attempts, but for me i still think it was filteria that got it right the first time. id concede that space juice absolutely is psytrance and not goatrance, but its so close to goa though, and to me also another attempt at creating something new. Chi-Ad - Hammerhead is another one of those "in between" tracks for me, but i guess that might be a debatable example :p i blame the fact that i completely missed earth crossing, and then heard this track by accident on some random VA from the time. so a few hits and misses for sure in the years 2001-2004- ish i hadnt noticed that 2001 album you mentioned. WIll have to check it out now

Thats a very nice and slightly profound comment there, thanks alot ^^ While I do love neo-goa; I cannot disagreee with anything you just said edit: well, with fresh ears, i do disagree on the "copy paste pleadians = newschool". I disagree with that, i think Filterias first album yes, it is obviously very close to pleadians. But its not very strange because he uses same synths, and the music is the same style too, so its really not strange, but these days i really much prefer filterias music over pleiadians. but then, i dont really compare the two .

i cannot understand how you keep the momentum of trolling for 10+ years. thats something else entirely. kudos.

addition: i guess many people would say the New School part simply refers to the artists themselves. As in they are new to the scene, but the scene is old, and they gave a rebirth to the scene. I mean, i know that is what it means. But nowadays, when we say Newschool or Neogoa - we most likely are referring to a style of music rather than just semantics.

can it be pinpointed? I think so. Its likely Filteria, with his 2004 release? But damn, he was really early, because peeople were still trying to make New "old school" goa back then. (MWNN, ypsilon-5, chi-ad, and many more - all came out with New Old School tracks in 2003-2005.) But IIRC, filteria is the person who did not try to make New "old school" goa, but instead, New, "Brand new" goa. Or maybe it wasnt him? Then who? And what is your definition of New School goa vs Old School goa if released in the same year? For example. MWNN - Space Juice was released in 2003. Its most definitly old school , while still sounding "new". So , its what I would call New "old school". But Filterias release in the following year, sounded nothing like the old school - while at the same time, it sounded EXACTLY like it. but it was new. it was brand new! Well, New School was born very quickly and a couple more artists came in, immediately after Filteria - with their own "New School" releases. (E-Mantra, Artifact303, Radical Distortion, Afgin etc) But what was the track or album that really defined New School, and what is your opinion, youve just read mine, now im eager to read yours

Very cool stuff, it reminds me of etnica - mystical appearance in goa. But of course a much better and more worked on version. Since the etnica track today is pretty bland and empty. This for some reason triggers that song as its archetype. Good job, I guess :))))

just wanted to add to e mantra, that, youre missing sub slightly from this last release. its very highpassed. edit: that was just stupid to say. take it back who tf am i to say that anyway. my bad

really cool =)

nope. it was made in 2001 but sounds like 96 astral.

this must be the creation of a new galaxy a galaxy of truth, knowledge, love and respect a place where all forms of life can live in peace i suppose i give a name to this new galaxy i shall call him, life no googling

i know its silly but im just so damn curious by nature =))

Im really impressed to see E-Mantra - an oldie in the game now - keeps evolving his style. He keeps getting better and better. Progressive Neogoa! We need more pioneers in this genre. Pushing the boundaries of Neogoa. Even though this might not be pushing the boundaries per se, its still very much classic new school but, it feels more progressive in the mixing and basslines. Excellent work! This one is a hands down buy!

fuck, its missing Groom Lake, id honestly buy it otherwise : O anyway, so nice to see the oldies remastering their stuff, only wish more producers did that. Who wouldnt buy a remastered version of Astrals catalog? I would. From what I can gather from my research most mastering was done by Lior Perlmutter himself and honestly , he damn near ruined Amen for me, and i can think of dozens more albums that really would be excellent to get a modern master of. mastering quality has increased tenfold since the 90s/00s.

im pretty sure you could see that before, why was it removed?