slyman604

i have to agree with Kilobyte Bandit and Rotation Generation, both those are such killer tracks.

I have no hope for any of them, especially Simon and are you shpongled is my all time fav hands down. To me the reason there hasnt been a hallucinogen album in so long is that he just doesnt have anything to say anymore like that. either way it will be this stupid bouncing style and not his darker super layered stuff. Im much more excited about Tool's next album.

"umm...lets see here.....if you're in canada then I'd say Wemf" jewlz have you gone the last few years? I went in 2000 and it was the best party i had ever been to. It must have been a little bigger psy wise then as there was about 200 people in the psy tent and on the main night GMS played live followed by Simon. I imagine the promoters dont have as much money now as then though, oakenfold was the main act in the main area. You might want to check out http://www.gaian-mind.com for the gaian mind fest too. Its held in mid state PA so its probly about 8 hours from toronto. I missed it last year but Shakta, Scorb and Bluetech played among others. Its held at an insanely cool pagan camp ground too, the main psy stage is in this monolithic stone structure deal. its hard to top the atmosphere. Clothing optional too

its all very subjective, you really should take some music and try them out if possible, but its unlikely you will regret Mackie HR624s.

great points ukiro. one thing that i just did the other day that was really interesting was to actually load up an astrix track in cubase and check out when he would put breaks in or drop out the kick. I really cant stand his music but his track structure usually seems spot on. If you load up the track at the proper BPM its easy to see the flow of the track, where things change, where things repeat with the same parts. the old school sound is defianetly linked with the phrygian mode. Thats probly the biggest thing is getting the sound of phrygian in your head. Also, try making a line in phrygian and jump some of the notes up an octave that are the main notes of the melody and concentrate on points in the scale with half steps. I totally agree with the percussion comment too, the older tracks almost went out of their way to use different percussion sounds and certainly different patterns where modern stuff the percussion is as boring as can be. sytrus can get you some nice pleiadians IFO type FM sounds. You should defianetly consider reaktor sessions as you can download a really good emulation of the SH101 and roland alpha juno, those were two pretty big old school synths, especially the SH. One thing i also notice about older stuff is since it was new and people were coming from different backgrounds to make music alot of what defines the bigger artist sound is they are mostly useing totally different synths from one an other. today everyone knows what synths are "good" for psytrance so there seems to be less experimentation with synths that are not "good" for psytrance. A good delay is also essential, since after the acid influence died off people still seemed to try to emulate the 303 type delay in general. Try the fruity BPM delay set to "3".

that track sounds like old hallucinogen with the balls cut off and minus alot of creativity. the koxbox track on the other hand...there is one melody in there that sound prettys promising.

sounds fucking baddass

can you post a sample? i always associate wavetable stuff with glassy type sounds and i googled protoculture and waldorf and got: "Protoculture makes the kind of trance even your mum likes ... collection of some varied and powerful trance from around ... I’ve got a Roland JP8080, Waldorf XTK" i bet its from the microwave XTK, that will be really hard to do with a vst as there isnt anything really like it in vst land to my knowledge.

i have to go with Process and Tristan - Dealing with Demons. something about the main melody is what defines trance to me.

if all you need to do is record a line in signal you might want to try audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ its a simple and free wave editor / recorder.

ott use to make old school goa awhile back under a different name. I cant recall what the project was called but it wasnt nearly as ammazing has his dub.

i think the concentration on "form" is just from the fact that over time it becomes harder and harder to truely be original(which is pretty hard even when something is brand new) so "form" is another way to seperate things.

"Clive Barker was on Coil? What? What tracks? I'm confused. I've heard many of Coils songs and I've never heard Clive Barker (auther of Hell Raiser, etc...) on Coil." no no i mean that was clive talking about coil's music. They did a soundtrack for hellraiser that clive didnt use because sopposedly it was to spooky...think about that. If any group can be considered "evil" its coil, alot of their stuff is completely inspired by Chaos Magick. " it totally distracts from the goatrance, dark psytrance, and techno "influences," and this artist is very familiar with all three." I was pretty much quit listening to psy for a year 2 years ago and was all into EBM. The whole genre is basically just goa with harsher beats and vocals. Velvet Acid Christ is kind of like Skazi of the EBM world. Icon of Coil are probly even more goa influenced i would say. For allied vision check out - man must be overcome or OS bandwidth, its more old school industrial sounding but with a ton of layers. this is probly the best dark album though: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...6620074-3323056

they might want to check out tribe.net also as most the bigger collectives/people throwing parties are all on there.

"In the 60's.... -Racism began to dissapate -Women became empowered, respected and allowed to vote" sorry, but these have nothing to do with the hippy scene, that all started long before. Really, the vietnam war and the sheer number of early 20yo/late teenagers had more effect on "60s" culture than pyschedelics did in reality. Someon mentioned older ex users which i would count myself as. One downside i see to modern pys culture is things have become to "guruish" even without real gurus. Like the experience is X or Y and i can quote T or U along with some religious gargon to back up my position on Z. Pyschedelics dont show you "true" reality, if i was shown anything it was that there is absolutely no "true" reality. If you think you have been shown true reality and believe it, then for all intense purposes from your perspect you have but in reality you have only picked out patterns in clouds or in noise.

"Velvit Acid Christ" velvit acid christ is girly goth music. Check out allied vision - man must be overcome or imminent starvation - nord. Nord to me is what the one person left on earth after a nuclear holocaust would make for themselves to keep from going mad. or try some virtually anything by Coil. "The only group I've heard on disc whose records I've taken off because they made my bowels churn." Clive Barker on Coil

i currently own a kurzweil k2000, nord modular and korg oasys, all sitting in a closet collecting dust. I personally think they all sound better than any software i own but its so much easier to have all the patches saved within a project(not to mention messing with piles of IO cables) that its not worth bothering with for a bit better sound quality that in the final mix no one will care about anyway.

cool. yea its a guitar triggering notes on the computer but my guitar has a yamaha g1d pickup and yamaha g50 midi controller. you should check them out if you play guitar and not keys, they are insanely cheap on ebay. i guess this new model by yamaha is actually even sopposed to be better(the g50 is early 90s technology) http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/Conten...D500946,00.html Its more sopposed to be for learning guitar but i guess it puts out a really accurate low latency midi signal.

is anyone interested in collaborating on a goa project? I use cubase sx or fruity, and mostly reaktor for synths. Reaktor has a few emulations of old school goa synths that just beg to be used to make modern goa. Ive been trying to make psy since 1999 but there are certain things im not very good at at and since virtually none of what i consider classic goa was done by one person i could really use a partner in crime. Im mostly into the pleiadians/flying rhino type sound. here is a short clip of something i was messing with yesterday. The production is shit(i had to eq out the bass because i mixed it on headphones and the bass was 10x to loud) and there is no variation in the kick/hats. I play midi guitar though and can jam out goa melodies in a few minutes. http://www.sidetrakkt.com/goatest.mp3 nate

i started out in synthesis useing csound way back and found goa/psy because it had the coolest fucked up sounds. there really is nothing on the web that compares to the csound book. If you really want to get into csound, defianetly get the book. It will save you hours and hours of learning. Its worth it just to get the one chapter on adding formants to a sample with the FOF opcode. In general though csound is a pretty tedious process. Csound 5 will be coming out shortly though and thats going to add even more bizarre processes, like an FOF filter.

"I must say that I personally don't care at all about artwork whatsoever. When I buy music I want good music." well dont bitch then when i dont buy your cd because your not offering anything more than what i can get for free.

closed ear headphones with no cd playing to block out external sounds is the best "music" for this IMO

i would never invest money in a business model that is trying to sell people the exact same thing they can get for free. thats just doomed from the start. I hardly ever buy psytrance cds, i dont really download that much either or really listen to much newer stuff. Alot of stuff just isnt interesting to listen to unless its on a big system. I think there should be an absolute "shaming" assault on anyone that spins mp3s at a party that they havent purchased. With sooo many cool psychedelic artist in this scene how the hell do some of these cd covers get made? http://212.227.206.198/cgi-bin/zoom.cgi?tr...rl1cd011.html:; what the fuck is that? It just seems like labels probly use the same "professional" graphic artist who pump out the same lame shit covers because its their "job" instead of trying to find one of the probly thousands of people who would do a cover for free even just to get there visual art out there. Ive seen alot of art online that i would gladly buy the cd just to have a nice printout of the artwork. The labels have to start selling something that cant be downloaded, the best and possibly only way i can see that happening is with some really cool art. Otherwise its just up to leaving things to peoples good faith. The psy cd covers should be an outlet for underground psy artist, i dont understand why its not.

ahh comeon, what about early doof? double dragons? hell yea.

to me Mi-Loony-Um is like the same as some hard to define point in the Matrix 3 where you realize everything has gone terribly wrong and that eveything to come after this point is going to be a bit cheesy. Its hard to say that what comes after this point totally sucks because of what came in the beginning but none the less still leaves you longing for something closer to the genious of the earlier moments, when things were a bit more twisted and darker in general.