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Latest update November 6th 2008 OriginsPsynews started as a small site hosted by French provider Free.fr. Its original URL was http://goatrance.free.fr, which still exists and redirects to http://www.psynews.org. Although the exact date is not known for certain, logs seem to indicate it was put online for the first time on January 11th 2000 by a 23-year old Parisian named Christophe Harry a.k.a "Children". Children on the right The site first aimed at replacing a failing UK website called "TRiP" which was focused on reviewing Goa Trance music releases, on CD and vinyl. Like its predecessor, goatrance.free.fr's look and feel was of fluoroescent text over a starfield. A group of enthusiasts from all over the world quickly joined Children and brought their own tributes by reviewing their own albums. The very first reviewers were: Nickname Real name Join date Age at join City Country What they became Children Christophe Harry 11/01/2000 23 Paris France Disappeared to found a family on sept 23rd 2003 Stathis Greece Infected Max Maxence Mortier 24 Bordeaux France Has maintainted the famous band Infected Mushroom website for a couple of years Mindbender Finland Anoebis Joske Vranken 20/01/2000 17 Antwerpen Belgium Famous DJ, party organizer, manager of Suntrip Records, and moderator of Psynews Gav Scotland Deceased now Tequila Stanislas 17 Paris France Pit-UFO Mexico DQ Sweden Ubik Vincent Houzé 17 Paris France Mars Fabien Marsaud 05/03/2000 23 Paris / Bordeaux France Admin and webmaster of Psynews now, and manager of Suntrip Records Dreamer Israel Ben Benoît Ory 21 Rennes France Still very much involved in the French scene Chaitu India Ktaadn Scott Kanov USA Globalsteez Scotland Mascok Israel Psytrancer England Gizmo Poland Jannis Jannis Tzikas 17 Stockholm Sweden Known as the artist "Filteria" now Freak51 Canada Implant Yugoslavia Gustav Gustav Sindler Sweden Smg Mikko Itkonen Finland Baboon Sweden Deathposture Martin Moller 17/06/2000 Aalborg Denmark Still a moderator of Psynews Psylent Buddhi Denmark Acidhive Netherlands Tristan Israel Jeto Jeto India Mahoney Sweden Stormbringer Sweden Insejn Andreas Hulte Sweden Was a moderator on Psynews, and even co-admin for a couple of years Rx7style Canada Genetix Macedonian Some of them are still active in the Psy scene The site also contained various sections such as a long definition of "what is Goa Trance", detailed information about the main groups on the Goa scene, a list of forthcoming releases, the members' favourites tracks and albums, artist interviews, external links about Goa and psytrance, addresses of psy-shops around the world and upcoming parties. Since the site was built in pure HTML, Children had to update it on a daily basis with all the reviews and information he would receive every day, and soon 500 very detailed reviews were online. The site went through a period of rapid growth and became a reference of internet resources regarding Psychedelic Trance music. The determinant meetingOn April 22nd 2000, a big party involving Infected Mushroom, Talamasca and DJ Dédé took place in Paris. Several goatrance.free.fr members decided to meet up at Place d'Italie, Paris before going to the party. Those present were: Children, Ubik, Tequila, Mars from Paris, Anoebis from Belgium, Guy and Daniele from the UK, Infected Max and some other friends from Bordeaux. They had never met in real life before except for Mars who knew Infected Max as they were both from Bordeaux. Everyone enjoyed the party and that night some very strong connections were made between them. Most of these people are still in touch with each other or have since met up again. Daniele died a few months later but Anoebis and Mars met Guy again in London in 2003. Children Daniele & Guy Coulson + Infected Max Left: Children / Middle: Mars / Right: Anoebis Since then, the largest meeting of Psynews members was during the Twisted Records 10th birthday party in London in October 2006. Subsequently, Mars (who was taking computer science courses) asked Children if he could help him in programming some parts of the site. The site was a reworked a little and became more dynamic. On May 20th 2000, Anoebis and Mars met again in Belgium for another party, and in the following months Children, Ubik, Tequila, and Mars partied together regularly. goatrance.free.fr members attending some foggy festival From a hobby to the establishment of a communityBy September 2000, Children and Mars were aware the site was gaining more and more users and wanted to make it look less amateurish and enable people to communicate more easily. They also wanted to broaden its audience since "Goatrance" sounded too restrictive, and Psychedelic musicc in general were the real focus of the site. At the same time Children wanted to stay as independent as possible so as not to influence thecontent of some reviews, and didn't like the idea of putting advertisements on the site to finance better hosting, as he was still a student and couldn't afford it. However solutions were found and the domain psynews.org was bought by Mars on the September 22nd, and the site moved to a homemade server running on Mars' DSL line, in his wardrobe at the 5 rue Michal, Paris XIII. It stayed there until March 18th 2003. To the site was added a decent forum, which boosted its growth and concentrated more information than ever. It passed 500 hits/day after 1 year of existence, which was quite high for the small Goa Trance scene. The first year of forum activity was deleted by Children one day when he tried to save some disk space, so the forum archives only go back to November 23rd 2001. In August 2001, Psytrance music had completely switched from melodic to minimal and motivated by some members, Children started a "contest", giving 3 months for unknown music artists to submit their tracks before a jury would vote and establish a compilation tracklist, the idea being to release the music as a free online compilation. The results were way beyond his expectations as 185 tracks were submitted and so many were so good that a double-CD tracklist was established: CD 1 1. 05'51" Neurotoxin : For Red (Russia) 2. 08'26" Psychopat : Spiral Landing (France) 3. 07'29" De-Fect : Bouncing Shrooms And Giggleing Gnomes (Sweden) 4. 11'53" Andromeda : Amiga (Poland) 5. 07'42" Synsun : TNC 2001 (Ukraine) 6. 08'42" Asura : System Babel (Code Eternity Rmx) (France) 7. 09'14" Artha : Controlled (Poland) 8. 10'54" Epsilon : Cosmic Vortex (Creepy Mix) (Finland) CD 2 1. 08'25" Promon : Throbbing Hobbits (Sweden) 2. 08'02" The Bastard : Crispy Crunchy Buffet Beast (USA) 3. 09'26" De-Fect : Germs, Germs, Psychedelic Germs (Sweden) 4. 07'16" Amygdala : Synaptic Misfire (Denmark) 5. 08'15" Synsun : Replycant (Ukraine) 6. 07'45" Vax : Protoplasma (Ukraine) 7. 08'20" Agalactia : Awkward Lightrate (Israel) 8. 07'16" Torakka : Greasy Fingers (Finland) 9. 04'42" Solstice : Ricochet (England) It was then that a new Italian label called "Inpsyde Media" became interested in starting their releases with this compilation and Valerio, its owner, convinced Children to release a selection of 10 of these tracks under the name "Psychedelic Sparks" in late 2001. The inlay described the idea behind Psynews and the contest. The remaining tracks of the initial selection were offered for free. Artists such as Asura, Synsun/Vax and Promon were later to release full length albums, and many of these artists are still active. In mid-2001, Children found maintaining the site to be too much work and joined with Ubik and Mars to specify a new system that would be more automated. Development was started in PHP but was never completed. Even after Children left Psynews, Mars tried several times to restart the development of what might become the new Psynews using Java Enterprise technologies, and still hopes to release it one day. Between February and May 2002, a second contest was held. A CD called "Another Demention" was scheduled to be released, but Inpsyde Media finally cancelled it. The tracklist was : CD 1 1. 08'23" Kinich Ahau : The 3rd Spiral (Luxembourg/Israel/Mexico) 2. 08'11" Agalactia And 5Meo-Geo : Ficus (Israel) 3. 06'41" Sienis : Rubbabong (Sweden) 4. 09'50" Moai : Chimera (France/Sweden) 5. 10'17" Sneila : Flying Objects Always Reach The Ground (Romania) 6. 10'28" Artha : Mahabharta (Poland) 7. 10'15" Ethereal Phaze : Liquid Blue Vision (Sweden) 8. 14'40" Prosect : Invasion (Israel) CD 2 1. 10'59" Spiralgeist : Mean And Mean (Germany) 2. 06'58" Masada : Bhongo Bhonged (Sweden) 3. 08'14" Amygdala : Proprioception Malfunction (Denmark) 4. 06'41" Spiralix : Spirit Guide (???) 5. 08'22" Alien Noise : 604 Maniacs (Romania/Germany) 6. 09'07" Chiron : Ice Age (???) 7. 10'17" Ethereal : Fireflies (Sweden) 8. 08'47" Khetzal : Narayana (???) 9. 10'15" Vax : Tataria (Ukraine) Again, several of these artists made their way onto the Psy scene: Ethereal, Prosect and Khetzal released full length albums; Sienis and Sneila performned many times, and Moaï is still active under another name. In mid 2002, the site had an extraordinary base of daily visitors, up to 2800/day. Children and Mars were interviewed by a Canadian newspaper and Psynews sponsored the Samothraki psytrance festival. This period is considered as the most prolific for the site, and gained it the most recognition. Several investors tried to buy the site but Children always insisted on his independence and declined their offers. Psynews was actually one of the very first collaborative online spaces. The PartyPsynews still had one more thing to achieve: A party. On december 2001, Anoebis (who had by then started DJing and had already organized parties in Belgium) met Mars again, and they thought seriously about throwing a "Psynews party". They met again several times during spring 2002, searched for a good party place, and the date was finally set for June 29th 2002. Although both organizers were very inexperienced, they did their best and put all their savings into the event, to the extent that the "Psynews Summer Launch" became a huge project with a €10000 budget involving live sets from ToiDoi (FR), PsySide (FR), and Indidginus (UK), and DJ performances from Roopak (Procyon Recs, India), Colin from OOOD (UK), Bor (NL), Las 22 (FR), Janua + Psyonic (BE), Tohm (BE), Psilo (BE), and Anoebis (BE). It took place in Hangar 29 of the port of Antwerp after its original location, Azelhof, was closed down by the police just one week before the event. Children, who had not really participated in the organization, was there, and he met the Inpsyde Media crew and other Psytrance related people who had come especially for the party. The event was a huge success and is still regarded as one of the best Goa parties ever to take place in Belgium. Bor, ?, Las22, Lizzy, Children, Anoebis Indidginus and Colin OOOD Psyside Party people having a good time Mars and Anoebis holding the bar It's 1 PM, people are still there ! From a passion to a priesthoodDuring the autumn of 2002, it became more and more difficult for Children to update the site on a regular basis, so he started doing it on a weekly basis. The forum kept on growing and its members brought their own psy-news anyway. Members such as Basilisk, Otto Matta, Anoebis, Deathposture, Shaft, Overdose, Matt Strumpling, SlidingTrancer, Moondancer, and many others added their regular more-or-less-serious tribute to the Psy movement, and set the path to what Psynews has now become. On March 2003, the server moved with Mars to its new apartment, in the basement of 37 rue Perrot, Malakoff, south of Paris. This place was also the HQ of Suntrip Records from mid-2004 to mid-2007. On September 23rd 2003, Children and Mars met for the last time. They had decided to improve Psynews, which ha become harder and harder to maintain and keep online. They decide on a list of actions which were never accomplished as Children simply vanished a few days later. He would answer neither his phone nor email. No-one knows what happened. Some say Psynews drained him of too much of his time and energy and he had to leave, others say he founded a family and felt guilty to leaving, whilst yet others say he died. However In mid-2005, Mars called his cellphone and heard on the voicemail message a woman's voice saying "Christophe can't answer you at the moment but you may leave a message", to which he never replied, but which gave a few clues about Children's whereabouts. The forum EraMars was therefore left alone with the server. However his work was too stressful to leave enough time to update the site, all the more as he had by then started releasing music as "Suntrip Records" in association with Anoebis, so he retained the original menu on the Psynews homepage (which lead to the existing content) and replaced the rest of the homepage with the forum. And the site kept on growing by itself, thanks to its forum members. (Here some gossip is missing about all the dramas and moderation stuff that happened) On November 24th 2005, Psynews was attacked and much of its database destroyed, its old code being too vulnerable. All former content was then removed, a backup of the forum restored, and the forum became the one and only source of information on the site. New rules were written to bring back peace to the site which had become quite anarchic, and 7 permanent moderators set watching over the site from a private forum called "The Moderatorium". A new startIn 2006 the forum was locked for a short time whilst Insejn, Deathposture and Mars spent several days moving all the original content ; mainly reviews and interviews - to specific subforums, after which people were allowed to post new reviews and interviews again. Because he didn't want to have too many interactions between Psynews and Suntrip, and because he had no time for daily moderation, Mars also resigned from his moderator seat and is now only taking care of the server maintenance, and trying to develop a newer version of the site on his free time. In April 2007, Mars moved to Belgium. DSL lines being capped there, Skytrancer agreed to host the server at his place in Paris XIII, 300 meters from where it all started. Mars would take care of it remotely. However the machine became unstable and the site had to move again in September 2007. It's now hosted on the same dedicated server as http://www.psysurfeur.com, another site dealing with Psychedelic Trance which delivers party and festival videos from throughout the world. In September and October 2008, the server went through two hacks, one requiring the complete OS & filesystem reinstall. The "Off-Topic" forum, known to be a source of great fun, turmoil...and tensions, was suspected to be at the root cause of this grudge against Psynews and was definitely closed. In October 2008, Children reappeared as well [and I hope he will post here to tell more]. Psynews now has a collection of approximately 40 forums and subforums, more than 3000 album reviews, 100 interviews and 10000 subscribed members. As of November 2007 it was read by 3000 visitors on a daily basis.

Hello After seeing pinned topics here and there were growing, we put them in this dedicated forum. Basically: what is Psyrance, its whereabouts, some interesting articles, the forum rules, etc. For example, some very interesting topic in the General forum can "escalate" here. Members can only reply to topics and should ask the moderators to open new topics. It may change in the near future. We'll reorder and clean up the different forums in a short while to fill up this one.

Dragontales, definitely

Why not be positive and tell yourself: "OK with Psytrance downfall, Progressive artists have already moved to House music. Too bad. Also, Eskimo, Skazi and all the fullon bodybuilders and dark pornstars are gonna move to more lucrative businesses...and hopefully leave the movement -the ruins of it, but still- to the original psychedelic melodic lovers". I'd love that idea. But I'm not sure it will happen that way. I watched some Japanese festival DVD from 2006 the other day, with Void, Dali, Melicia's sister, Skazi, Eskimo, etc, singing and pretending to play. It was so sad, I thought, this was not the movement I used to know, it had become an overrated corner of dance-pop music. I suddenly had the feeling Psytrance had been squeezed to the bone during 5 years, to the extent thousands of japanese would believe that this buffoonery of a festival was actually about Psytrance. And in retrospect of the year 2007 with all the dark music that was released, I had the feeling that the fullon dobybuilders had indeed (!) at last (!) definitely left the scene...but left it to a horde or dark dorks, disfiguring Psytrance even harder. I'm serious here, having received all kinds of promos for years, the Dark stuff has been here for long time, but everyone would consider it like the toxic residue of Psytrance, the sum of all artists that didn't even know how to make proper full on, and now the remainder of the division of the movement. I'm not even talking about the drug abuse I've seen in the last parties I've been. From a LSD generation, to a XTC generation to a Speed generation, I sympathize with nowadays DJs that make colorless kids on cheap drugs, dance on cheap music. I'm not even talking about the number of fucked up festivals there were last year. How serious is that ? Dull, sticky and dirty. That's how Psytrance is now. I guess my point of view is close to Psyreviews and PsyDB owners'. Like me they wonder "what can possibly come after the dark wave ?". The next step is Trancecore but it died a long time ago already ! If the dark wave dies (and there's already a lot less releases than last year), the audience will not know where to look at, they will be too young to know Goatrance and will think it's more their parents' music, outdated and by definitition not interesting. And there's nothing left. Now if you guys want Psytrance to live, you better stand up and fight. You have maximum 2 years to change the movement's face. Make websites, make original great music, give a cleaner view of the movement. Stand up for it ! Or it will be too late.

Nevertheless another psytrance actor/promoter bites the dust. And from PsyDB stats projections, you can guess that other actor feelings too... Sad, sad, sad.

good answer StraydoG, also Talamasca is a good idea. Speaking for myself, if you ask for some melodic stuff, have a look on http://www.suntriprecords.com

Next time I see such shit in the General, one of the fighters will leave without further explanation.

I dont know the answers so I guess I can participate. Only answer 6 is missing. After some digging I found : Lindsay Edwards She participated in the group Tin Tin Out for the "We Like To Party (The Vengabus) (Tin Tin Out Remix)" on some obscure promo. And on the other hand she participated in the group Innersphere which appears on Matsurythm 1. That was a tricky one Jos, poor students of yours !

WARNING !!! TWO minute extracts are online : http://www.suntriprecords.com/pages/releases/SUNCD10/

Short extracts are already available on Arabesque website: http://tinyurl.com/2fn8o9 Check them out !!!!

>> http://www.chiptune.com

Bullshit > OffTopic please

these collaborations Filteria vs Ethereal Merrow vs Khetzal would make my day !

I miss Erez too, so much. If he wanted, he could make all the current Psy movement look completely ridiculous compoared to his creations. If he prefers earning big bucks and coping Duvdev horrible singing night after night, that's his problem. Too bad still.

I don't remember for sure as I was quite young, but it was either Technotronic - Pump up the Jam or Black Box - Ride on Time, both in late 1989 ! Goa came in 95 after techno-house, dance, hardcore, trancecore, prodigy, etc...

The tracklist looks complete as of tonight ! Check the 1st post. Thanks to the artists for their hard work !!! We're very very sorry for those who badly wanted to be in it, worked hard too, and did not make it. We wanted a special artistic line there, that's why we got though even on superb tracks. Buuuuut...maybe they will have a second chance, later héhéhé

1. Do you download music from the web? Any kind of music. How much? How often? Yes. LOTS, I mean...LOTS. Everyday. And you know what ? I buy everything I like. 2. Do you download specifically Psytrance releases? Yes 95% of it. 4% more are other electronic musics, 1% is other kinds of music. 3. Do you think that downloading (and any other forms of piracy) really hurt the music industry? Yes. But it was just a consequence. Just look at this fact: the production cost for one cd is 3 euro/cd and it's sold 18 euro minimum in a big shop like Virgin/Fnac. I understand every part of the music indusry chain takes its part, but fact is it could be possible to sell the same cd for 12 euro in the same store and the store would still make profit. Another aspect: young people don't make a living, they rely on what their parents give them, nevertheless, they are the range of people the most interested in musics in general and the most likely to buy it. Until 15 my parents would give me 30 euros a month to survive. Until 20 I got 75 euors a month. And I was lucky to have that much. I doubt nowadays, 16-20 year old youngsters get 100 euro per month ! Let's look at the monthly expenses of an average wealthy european : - pens / papers / photocopies for school (10 euros) - 2 cinema entrances (17 euro) - lunches (20 euro with the help of the school/university, or parents pay for them) - phone (25 euros restricting him/herself a looot) - disco entrances (20 euros for 2 week ends or 1 with a boy/girlfriend) - drinks with friends or extras like some cloth (30 euros) TOTAL: 122 euro, or ~100 if parents pay for the lunches for example How can this 15-25 year old young buy any 18 euro cd in these conditions ??? How can he even be tempted to buy a cd and renounce going out with his friends when he can have the same cd thanks to the internet connection of their parents ? How can majors be so blind as not to understand that ? Yeah they do know but they prefer play with the fear factor and ask the RIAA to put some order. At the same time they cry their profits are dropping. Don't make a mistake. They still make a lot of profit. They only make less than before. How about older people ? Waht % of the cds do they buy ? I don't know and if anyone knows, pease tell. However, I'm sorry to notice the market is not aiming at them. Most of the music advertised (I didn't say released) these days is about one-shot bands just ouf of some reality TV singing academy show, or trendy groups with a rebel look. 30-60 year old people don't recgnize themselves there. What do they do then ? they download on the internet and test the music (before they can buy it), because there is no other way of having an idea of the music that suits them. Have you heard about the fact less and less families make ends meet ? Have you heard about this huge financial crisis that's preparing, what if they cannot afford it ? They keep on downloading. How about old people (60-90) ? There is simply no music for them. Not even released. They don't download anyway, the Internet is unknown territory for them. Fact is majors target audiences that can't afford prices of their products !!!! I have a theory: if cds were cheaper, they would sell better. I'm taking the risk of being answered this is a too simplistic theory "because in nowaday's society everything has grown incredibly intricate and not a single thing can acount of society phenomenon blablabla". Bullshit ! It's the most mean way of lulling people and ask them not to think by themselves. 4. Do you think that downloading (and any other forms of piracy) really hurt the Psytrance industry? No. Psytrancers have been exchanging DAT's and CD's way long before the mp3 wave. Prices remain reasonable in most shops and online shops. But Psytrance cds don't reach big shops like Virgin anymore. So it's hard to catch a new audience, the scene remains small, and labels press low volumes no matter what. 5. Would you like a world that every new album/comp would be released only in the web? No because I like to have the real thing in my hands. I'm not interested in a one-shot license for a stream of bytes. There is also the problem of licensing and sublicensing in the digital distrib industry, where profits dillute to the infinite and labels earn even less than before.

Yeah it sounds different from the rest at least. It reminded me a bit of "Bandit - Looking for the Element" (2001) because of some instruments and rythmics used. But I prefer this one better

All right, that was a good subject of discussion. Had the artist participated more, it would have been more dynamizing Still....too bad

Thanks Jon. What I secretely expected was that some dudes out there would dare to say "ok i'll contact the right owner and see what he says" What I more secretely expected was the owner would say "ok, anyway it was planned to be released as a CD in the first place, and as long as it's just for the sake of a better mastering and non-profit, I'm fine with it". What I even more secretely expected was that some dudes out there would dare to say "ok, even for non-profit, I'm ready to take the risk, be fully transparent to the artist, spend a lot of time and work, and sell this album to the happy few who wanted it". This was more about making Psynews more than a single forum, but something more collaborative, much like in the begining. I wouldn't have got involved more than into advice & contact giving. With Psynews backing it, money wouldnt have ben a real problem (and remember Psynews is non-profit too). Strydr: Nah, with the mp3s we have we can't get a better mastering. With some uncompressed/unprocessed wavs, believe me, I know someone who can make it sound killlah.

This is about Psytrance, so this goes to the General forum

As for classic Goa, I would have recommended the same as the first 3 people that replied. Etnica/Pleiadians Transwave Total Eclipse Oforia/Tandu X-Dream Astral Projection Miranda/Ominus MFG Asia 2001 Shakta You have them, you have most of the golden era.

Ah here's the main person to this affair. Hello, hello. Title: done, sorry Since it all started with this question "why was it not released on cd", thanks for replying. As for the rest, it was not about making money, really, but rather thinking about having "the real thing" with a "real mastering" that deserves its place in a Goa collection. The problem is I'm not sure it would be convenient, or if you would approve to a limited "promo" pressing with professional mastering, just for the pleasure of a few people to have it in their hands. I tried to show it wouldn't be such a risk to do it, uner certain conditions, and was wondering if many people from here would like the idea or would like to get involved. It doesn't seem so until now and it's a shame because the cd deserves it ! I added a poll btw...really curious.

I don't agree and I would like to mitigate some things. I said : And later: When I mentioned added value, it meant a new mastering, cause this release definitely needs it. Also Suntrip would never be involved in such an enterprise. On the contrary, I mentioned a very simplified release process cutting all possible costs to reach a very low break even situation (usually a break even on a 1000 copies print Goa album is > 500 copies sold, here 140). For your information, we manage to sell > 100 copies of every Suntrip release, just out of hand, just in Belgium! It's not so hard to sell 140 copies and reach a break even when you know where Goa addict people are. Not mentioning our releases are always out on p2p's the same day they are released in the stores (even earlier sometimes). Based on that I think a 500 copies pressing wouldn't be a loss of money and I would recommend a serious poll here on psynews or on psychedelic.be to know what to expect. Anyway this is all theoretical and would need people of good will to make it happen.

I must add some little things : 7) you can add 150 euros for shiping the pressed cds from the factory to your place 8) I didn't count any artist fee, neither advertising costs (woudln't be convenient on an out of hand model without a catnr, etc)........... 9) If you're distributed you'll get 6.2 euros / cd sold and if you're selling out of hand or just yourself you can get an appealing price at 10 euros. So if you do the accountancy over 500 cds, the global cost is 1400 euros and you should sell 140 out of hand (that is, not officially distributed, and i believe is the good economic model on such low volumes and regarding issues in 1) and 2)) to reach a break even situation. Low you'd say ? Yeah all the more as Psynews has a lot of Goa fans, and there are still places where one can sell such cds (Belgium, Sweden, Canada, Israel...). But there are risks too...oh yeahhh (people saying they'll buy and eventually don't, bad online advertisement, unexpected costs, juridic issues...) Now if some of you guys wanna start such an enterprise, as a Goa fan, I'm 100% enthusiastic, and i'd be ready to collaborate a lot from my Suntrip knowledge (mastering/pressing contacts) without involving the company itself, and provide with everything needed (google docs, calendar, emails infrastructure and mailing lists on the Psynews backend). But don't ask me to help more if you see what I mean. I think Basilisk also has a mine of infos to help in such enterprise. Who would be entrepreneur enough to do the hardest step, step 1) ???