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Most cardboard sleeve promos have a cover print on them if the labels can afford ... on the front they have the same cover as the retail CD, on the back they have the tracklist (usually also the same backprint as the retail CD) and the "for promotional use only"-print. The promo discs of the big labels nowadays have even samples in them that say "this is a promo" or something ... I have a Gravedigger - The Last Supper promo where this is the case - in the beginning of a song and sometimes in the middle somebody's reminding me that it's a promo ... that is some annoying crap

Yes, that's true ... if a promo would just be a CDR I'd also not give anything for it ... I'm only focusing on the CDs in cardboard sleeves without booklet, the CD itself looking like the original but just without the jewel case and on the cardboard just the cover and tracklist printed. That's what I mean as "Promo", the CDRs are crap. But I'd probably still go for them if somebody gave them to me (or if it's good stuff scheduled for release in some months)... And Cinos, your case that you get an ordinary retail version as promo is also common - in that case the label just tells the pressing company to press 100 or so more copies of the normal CD with booklet and such, that lets the price per item probably decrease even more and thus everybody's happy...

What's your attitude towards promos? I mean, do you collect them or not, do you find them more "31337" than the actual release? Would you pay more for a promo than for a normal CD? Would you pay less? Would you buy promos at all? Because with promos I already registered that there obviously exist two basic opinions: one is that they are worth a shitload of money (obviously because of the fact you can't buy them in stores and they're limited to a small number) - and the other one is that they're worth nothing (obviously because they're free promo copies and it's illegal to make money by selling them). I personally am not a promo hunter, although I appreciate it when I can get them for cheap. I don't care if I have a promo or the actual release apart from the fact that a promo has no booklet, but that's not relevant in the psy scene. I would never pay more for a promo than for the normal CD.

nice indeed I don't get it ... what has this one to do with the new Vibrasphere cover? It's nice though

haha, so true... Next Friday, Kindzadza coming, what do they say for chill? "Chill: who needs?" (they say on goabase) ... I mean, they gonna have a Bollywood cinema, but wtf, that stuff for chilling on a psy party?

lol, this is genious

Agreed, I downloaded much in the past and still do a little. But meanwhile I somewhat chose to support the artists a bit. At least a little bit so that I don't just leech EVERYTHING, after all they work quite hard sometimes too to release quality stuff Besides the hunt and the final getting of rare releases for not much money are a cool thing and when you then finally got it it for cheap you are the happiest man

"Staring At The Sun" ... lol, that is a song by Attwenger "Und de schaun in die sun in irgendana stodt und donn draht si no wos um wos si bis jetz net umdraht hot...." best song ... it's even kinda psy (from the lyrics), so it even fits for the cover, hahaha np: Attwenger - Sun

I don't think so ... I'd shake my head at this pathetic thing. Advertising a psy party! Doesn't that shock you? Maybe I need to say it again: ADVERTISING a psy party! Doesn't that shock you now? Come on, this stuff is supposed to be underground and no chav shitheads shall be attracted by such ridiculous idiotic painted cars! Soon we'll have the Golf GTI shithead division with their oh so cool spoilers everywhere and whatnot on the cars get their frecking crap vehicles spraypainted like that! Psychedelic Tunning! Arrrgh, fuck it, makes me wanna go get a freakin' big hammer and go doin' some workout in the night ... good for my arm muscles, grrr...

hahahahahaha My gosh, this is the worst thing I saw in ages! Psy, psy, oh it's going down, down, down... I bet the dude has let the infected guys autograph the truck after the concert.

yay, that sounds very good

unfinished??? That's marvellous work! Would fit great as a door poster

Hey, Tegma, I hope you gonna present us some nice new material from that album when you come here to Vienna on March 25th ... I'm looking forward to that

Hey, that is nice stuff! I like the groove that comes with it ... nice, nice Always kinda liked Freq ... this is no exception!

oh hehe, I was already searching for them and wondered where they were

Easy one. for upbeat: S-Range - Space for chill: Carbon Based Lifeforms - Hydroponic Garden

I read the post and there was only one track instantly popping into my mind: Solar Fields - Electric Fluid ... it's not beatless, but it produces exactly this floating feeling in me because of the synths that are used especially in the second half of the song! There really are some floating passages in this one IMO ... and yes, it has a little beat, but very gentle, not deep, but flat, just to accommodate it. You should get the Fahrenheit Project Part II CD, this song was released on that compilation .. together with Kheztal - Glaciales Lacrimae, another song that kinda fits your description a bit ... and it contains various other very very good chill songs (maybe not for your case here, but overall)...

I voted for the 1991-1995 option...

true, true ... a scratch on a digipak (and even if it's a rather small one you hardly notice) is like a small catastrophe - you never can get rid of it again ... a CD jewel case you just can replace if it has too many scratches.

at least not 88

GOD DAMN YES! Finally somebody says it! Word up to this!

Aha, I see, so that's those letters ... Ialready thought about asking here interesting it's the first CD I see with such thing!

eeeh ... Logic Bomb is something completely different to Son Kite or Atmos??? So you mean you don't get the hype behind Logic Bomb. I'm with you on that since I saw this crappy liveset once ... oh, no memories please, it's painful... And you don't get the new progressive stuff like Son Kite or Atmos. Isn't that what you mean? But I'm not with you on that. Son Kite are geniouses. Atmos too. (It's just also the fact that mentioning different styles in one sentence lets me burp up with a sour taste, ya know...) Ever tried Antix?

Upbeat: S-Range - Another Theory: The Remixes

An idealist and a bit communist view I like it ... I had the same view not long ago. I dreamt of how good this all here can be when everybody would work his pensum for the society and get something in return - for there is not so much work to do if you really divide it up and you have more freetime I gave up that view though. Me having this view wouldn't change a thing. EVERYBODY must have this view, otherwise there will always be black sheeps who want to get rich on behalf of others. And this will never come true, there will always be black sheep. Anyway, I don't wanna get too offtopic here. I find it right that artists get paid for tracks. It's effort, it needs equipment and the artist needs something to live too. If the artist would get a job instead to get the money he would be tired in the evenings and would rather prefer to spend his fretime with freinds han sitting in the studio and thus he would probably produce just 10 percent of the music - even if he really really wants it - which he produces now that it is his "fulltime job", you know? Artists deserve to be paid. Not too much though. There is a differnce between getting paid and getting over-hyped and making big big amounts of cash, you know? The latter thing is not alright!