astralprojection

(TL;DR at bottom, wall of text incoming) Do you begin with the bassline? Main melody? I usually begin with the bassline. Just the basic 3/4 note bassline to start with. I then chose the key in which I want the track in, and then try and build melodies by "randomly" clicking around in a 4 bar loop. I always add a delay to the melody directly, as a send, sometimes 3-6 (i.e third step in the bar in the left speaker, and 6th step in the second bar in the right speaker). Some delays like reason have steps 1-16, which for me is the easiest to use, because you dont have to think about it, if you put it at 4, you know the delay is gonna kick in at the final step of the bar. Some delays use a whole other system, which I havent quite figured out yet. like 1/4D, 1/2T and such. I knew the "conversion table" before but have completely forgotten. When working with Cubase my favorite delay is the Waves Supertap. it works just like in reason and you just know exactly how it works just by looking at it. anyway im going off point. Like I said, basic bassline, a kick, and then I play around trying to create a melody and see if I find one. If I do, I build a loop based on that melody, with FX, hihats, other melodies, counter melodies and so on, until I basically have the climax of the song ready. Here is my problem.. Creating the rest of the darned track! I have probably 100 reason and cubase files with just a damned loop Sometimes I begin with creating some sort of intro, but that never works out at all. How do you begin a song, and how do you finish it? Since I started creating music in 2002, I literally have finished about 10 tracks. From start til finish. And I have over 100 songs, that only have a buildup, and a climax. The sad part is, many of these sound really good, and if I just would be able to create the whole song I could start releasing stuff on Ektoplasm! I mean, how hard can it be right? Just do some intro, some breaks, some drumrolls, a little melody variation and youre done! (in short terms) But noo, not for me.. I almost always end up with just a buildup, a loop, and a climax. With layers and layers of Goa Psychedelia. But a track? FAR from it. so. How do you begin your track, and how do you finish it? Do you have any pointers for me? Sometimes I actually try drawing on a piece of paper, like the intro part, the break part, the bridge, the loop, the break, another bridge and so on, and try to do that then in cubase. that has worked a few times, but then the melodies never sound any good. But at least I have a full track.. yay... So you see, even though Ive spent well over 10 years making music (on and off with many years of pause at a time) I only succeeded in making about 10 full tracks.. I also do hiphop beats, and those are like, piece of cake compared to psytrance and goatrance. I have TONS of finished hiphop beats and many of them are actually good, and Ive sold 4 beats to upcoming rappers in my country. Not for much of course, but at least they thought they were good enough to want to use them. I love sampling, So a hiphop beat for me, is basically some track I find, I chop up samples, make a track just by using the samples, EQ it proper, then just fill in the rest with matching bassline, kick , snare and hihats. Done. Sometimes i takes me like 20 min to make a 3 min hiphop beat that sound pretty damn good. Oh well, thats a big wall of text and Im sorry so ill make a TL;DR: How do you begin a track on an empty sequencer like for example Reason or Cubase - and how do you finish. Basically, what is your work order. Like for me its a basic bassline in a key I want the track in, a random kickdrum, and then start playing with a melody. And most often than not, thats where it ends. A climax loop. Thanks in advance for sharing your method ! Amateur or pro - doesnt matter at all! I want input from any, and everyone. Thanks guys bye!

Hmm, yeah, I realise they arent really that good, sounds almost like i just took midis from the originals and put new instruments to them. But I didnt i promise! I re-created by A/B listening to the best of my ability. Maybe it was too early to share on psynews. Because my purpose once the tracks are re-created is to remix them, but I wanted the foundation, the structure, first. First and foremost, its a fun musical challenge, you train your ear, and it feels nice and refreshing to have an old track sound new again I actually tried getting hold of Loving Loop and Planet Fuse, but couldnt. Actually Planet Fuse I did get in contact with, but he flat out refused giving me the vocal samples used in the original. those that say "silent wishes" and "noises" or whatever it is that she says. He is like 40 years old and seem to take his old music VERY seriously, I mean comon, who am I hurting by re-creating a track that I have no intention of making any money from? If it was me I would give out the samples directly no questions asked. Needless to say I was disappointed.

strange, I hardly recognize any of them didnt he play any oldies too, btw? he must have played like, Alidade or something? Antidote?

I "acquired" Asia 2001 - Psykedelia Re-Issue Pretty nice tracks on there! Too bad almost all of their other tracks arent really good.

perhaps i should post the original for more interest. i actually think this is one of my best productions so it would be sad for me if noone likes it : ) but its ok, im not REALLY gonna be sad and you dont actually NEED headphones i just usually say that because of me almost always mixing using headphones and sometimes you get very fooled when you later listen to it in speakers. i used to have both soundcard and audiomonitors but that was a long time ago I had to sell almost all my belongings to keep from living on the streets : / well, many years ago and I know have at least a good computer and two monitors and a pair of headphones just need a soundcard and speaker monitors to be set. Im using the built in motherboard soundcard atm ; (( worst crap ever...

Not bad!

Oh okay. Was just curious because K-BAN mentioned Jörg had his own version of the remix I know he is the same Jörg as in Juan, Domi Jörg, and also Shiva Jörg okay , phew, so at least I didnt miss my favorites Shame for you guys tho! Thanks for the answer Master Anoebis!

so nhjo is gonna do a 5 hour live set? damn i wish i could afford plane tickets yup. when all else fails : use German.

what? please say the song titles aswell please I think that part was for the female Etnica fans. You know what I mean.

I sampled it, EQd it to remove bass/kick, and Time Stretched it. So no fancy sorcery, and I wish I could do it on my own. Yeah I know that thread, I was looking there the other day and I was really freakin impressed tbh. But yeah. I sampled it . Sorry to burst any bubbles. :/ By the way im extreeemely impressed what you did with the moonshine thing, that is unbelieavable how close you come to the original. In fact, I could barely notice the difference between the original and yours. Damn man, why dont you do alot of remixes your self? Its fun, homage to the artist, and you learn alot by trying to re-create songs. (check my Rave Mission Remix thread). I dont aim to re-create any sounds there, but I am to re-create the song structure, then ones im done with that, im gonna start the remixing part. Which for now, Im bored with Wow thanks man, that really makes me wanna jump back in and finish the track! I really mean it, comments like these is exactly what I need to get my inspiration flowing. Thank you!

well, since the intro part is still shitty as fuk, i didnt wanna bore you with like, three minutes of bad intro, so that is still very much a work in progress. Also, I intend to continue the track using more classic melodies from the original Muses Rapt version, for example the beautiful piano melodies. so I made a 146bpm version instead, in the meantime and yeah, the intro needs work i know! its horrible ;/ but i still wanna share it, so you can give me ideas, cus im empty in my head now, been thinking and working on this on and off since about 6 hours http://picosong.com/uDF7/ this time i mixed in speakers, so I dunno, should sound ok. thanks for listening

I always thought Cosmosis - Moonshine; the girl said "the moon, the moon shining on seance". Which I thought was beautiful.

working on it atm, its 8 min so far thanks for support guys

Thank you! I was noticing the melody in the intro was a bit painful, but i agree it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be, listening to it today, sober. I think I actually I am gonna work on this track quite a bit. Maybe sample in that pianoloop from the juan, domi, jorg remix, or a dark pad thingy or something, too keep the intro company. So I will look forward to doing that. And posting it here.

Seriously, I must have gone mad or something. In headphones, at this particular moment, with the right amount of ... in me, it sounds pretty decent, but in the morning when i listen in speakers it will probably sound whack as fuk. I only used reason for this, and mixed only using headphones and mastered only using headphones, i literally have NO idea what it actually sounds like. but here it is. A pre-beta demo of my Remix of Spiritual Healing. Enjoy, I guess. (btw, picosong somehow messes up the quality. its like it automatically downgrades it to 128kbit or something i dunno. but whatever. its a wierd project to begin with. but i had fun the past 2 hours or so thats for sure) end of thread is updated version

enjoy! Im quite happy with the result. Made in 2012 i believe. as with all my productions, they are mastered in headphones so quality in speakers will vary. i do not yet have studio monitors. so if avaliable put a couple of hifi or monitoring headphones on

you are very handsome, nohomo! regarding rotwang, he looks exactly like i imagined. like a total BAWS.

Pure awesomeness. 8/10.

Thats good to know, he still keeps himself active. I was worried about him for real, for a while there, about jobs, friends, girlfriends, and what not... Poor kid, just cant get right I guess. But if you read this radi, I love ya man, come back to psynews! I wont let anyone bully ya!

Since Lunar Civilization was like, the "best" track for several years, I grew tired of it by now. It was like on three different comps in the same year or something, and well, for me it unfortunately lost its magic. I do however love the Filteria version, but not the Pl version.

I actually sat about 2 hours trying to turn his pic into Jesus but it didnt come out right so I gave it up. Damn, what the fuk am i doing with my time? But its all fun for me, Im learning new things all the time while doing these sort of things. Here are few other pics of me, and my family, and my bro from another mo', who i decided to blur out cus i didnt ask his permission.. Also fair bit of shopping due to making it a little bit more anon, if only for my own sense of it, anyway. . me, mom, sister, visiting my dads Grave, taking care of it, taking out the .. whatchumacallit.. those things that grow but shouldnt. WEEDS. yes. weeds. me, after losing another 10kgs

Is there any way to listen to Joergs own version? I can only find the Juan, Domi, Jorg version no matter how much I search. Anyway, its nice to learn that he played it. And its suicide contemplating that I missed it. did pleaidians/etnica/crop circles play: bpc - Antidote (pl remix), Pentagon, Full mental jackpot (pl remix), Time Dilation, Zeta Reticuli (lazy spiral rmx) ? I just have to know.

I assure you, I am not Radi.

Yeah, thats why I miss him. Havent seen him on here for a LONG time. How do I know him? Well, ive been browsing psynews for years now. And Ive seen him being bullied, laughed at, and stuff like that, and I like the dude once I saw passed the obnoxious exterior of his posts, and saw the true gentle soul behind them.