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First, we dont discriminate russian people here, that should be pretty obvious for any one with half a brain. Every one in this country has equal rights as long as you hold citizenship of Latvia(if you dont, you cant elect municipality nor parliament and cant work in governmental institutions, thats about it). If you dont, you can get it quite easily. If you dont want to get citizenship, it will not be forced upon you. But its pretty handy for RuSSia to stir up their lies about whats going on in Latvia. They dont give a shit about russians here, those russians are simply tools in their political games, cannon meat of Kremlin as we call disposable masses. Second, we dont support nazi's. And 16th march has nothing to do with nazi movement, yet RuSSian backed media would like you to believe otherwise. 16th march is unofficial memorial day of latvian legionaries who fought during WWII in Germans military, historically it was on this day when both Latvian divisions(15th and 19th) for the first and only time fought together against soviets. And they had a good reason to hate soviets, because soviet occupation with mass deportations, mass killings and lootings was the first thing that WWII gave to Latvia. Latvians served in frontline and werent the ones exterminating civilians. Some members of SS police battalion of latvian origin did join Latvian legion later on in the war, however, that doesnt make the whole two divisions jew-slayers, now does it? Or perhaps it does, as long as RuSSian TV's say so? I will simply copy-paste this here: In 1946, the Nuremberg Tribunal declared the Waffen-SS to be a criminal organization, making an exception of people who had been forcibly conscripted. Throughout the post-war years, the Allies would apply this exception to the soldiers of the Latvian Legion and the Estonian Legion. The US Displaced Persons Commission in September 1950 declared that: "The Baltic Waffen SS Units (Baltic Legions) are to be considered as separate and distinct in purpose, ideology, activities, and qualifications for membership from the German SS, and therefore the Commission holds them not to be a movement hostile to the Government of the United States." I guess this doesnt count, as long as RuSSian TV says otherwise, no? I could go on and on, but seeing how you post such bullshit regarding Latvian legion and illegal russian settlers here, Ill just leave where it is, there is no point in trying to prove your wrong, you wont change your mind anyway. Perhaps people who read this discussion wont fall for your bullshit and do their own research, even though with RuSSia lies all over Baltic states, it might not be so easy. I have colleague at work whos mother is russian, when he visits his relatives in Russia they at first fear to talk to him regarding russians in Latvia, they are convinced, solely thanks to RuSSian media, that russian speaking people are being discriminated here, being beaten on the streets if russian language is being used and are not allowed proper job opportunities ! Color them shocked, when they realise from one of their own, that its all bullshit! Next time try harder, it does take some effort to address the questions I asked, so its easier to post some RuSSian created lies about legionaries and russian speaking folks.

1)Whole Russias history has been one huge blob of aggression, pet the aggressor, do what the bully wants... 2)For now, as I explained in my previous posts, there is no better working alternative for Baltic states. The idea of forming regional alliance with LT, LV, EE, FI, PL is reappearing once in a while, but we never learn from history and thus are forced to join less invading, less threatening unions. Time will tell if we become true partners in NATO and EU or simply followers or chose best option in the form of creating our own local military alliance with our neighbours. 3)Please point out in my previous posts where I said that Im against Russia buying criminals Yanukovich regime and that Im all PRO Westerners buying Ukraine back? I said that if one side was doing it and the other side found a way to do it as well and gain something from it, then good for them, no matter then rasons, it brought some balance back into Ukraine and we will see what kind of direction people of Ukraine choose for their future. 4)As I said, sooner or later it would have happened, with Russias/Western worlds money or without. The same applies to Russia, one day it will end its showinist commie dictatorship rule. 5)Can you point me to some sources regarding billions of dollars poured into pro-western Ukrainian politicians to support Yanukovich's overthrow? Its not that I have papers on hand regarding Yanuk's affiliation with Putin. 6)It will not subside unless people of Ukraine decide that they dont want any of it. There will be always some sort of control from outside world, no country so far has managed to live on its own without any external attachments, trade and so on. Yes, they, just like any other country, need real sovereignty, however its not as easy as it seems, with everything being so interconnected, corruption in every level of big, dominating alliances and countries. Nobody likes "bad" examples, thats why Putin went ape-shit on Ukraine once he realised that its slipping away from its control, too much is at stake for that bloodthirsty regime, too many occupied lands under their control as part of Russian Federation that might want to reconsider their relationships with Russia in their current state if Ukraine succeeds to break away and come out stronger and better country after all the fighting against RuSSian terrorist regime. Regarding AZOV - Im not sure that its ran by nazi and filled with nazi alone. You guys out there in the west should find some other scarecrow other nazis in Ukraine, its getting long in the tooth ! As I said, as long as that battalion doesnt commit nazi-fueled crimes, I dont care if it has nazi, commies or unicorn believers. As far Ive read, it has plenty of non-nazi members there, including Ukrainian russians from Russias occupied territories, if its ok with them, why would I be concerned?

Could you please point me to the agreement regarding no NATO expansion in post-soviet countries? As for regarding international treaties and agreements - look at RuSSia, they couldnt care less for any of them, they dont give a damn what the world thinks, thus they dont oblige to them. Another thing about RuSSia - take a look into its history, its always been among the top shit-stirrers in the world, among the top trouble makers and took part in almost every major massacre war there has been in the past centuries, surely, making its own people suffer the biggest losses. Let alone occupying its neighbour countries, denying their legitimacy and not caring about their own treaties that were signed - pretty good reason for former soviet countries to hop into NATO train. Im waiting for source regarding agreement of no NATO expansion towards RuSSia.

1)Well, isnt that you, captain obvious ? 2)Im not crying, Im pointing that out. I live in a country which gets smeared in RuSSian media at every opportunity, were being labeled nazi's, oppressors, USA proxies, EU dumpster market and what not, whatever suits RuSSias political agenda of the time. So, naturally I will speak out loud against quoting RT, putins pocket company, ran by his groupies. Present me alternative source of information, and I will comment on it as well. 3)Did I say or quote some specific, western information source? Did I at least say that western information sources are holier than pope? I belive I did not, I merely spoke out against RT! So what does your comment about suckling on western propaganda has to do with my remarks regarding RT? I believe it has nothing to do with it nor with me. 4)Im not underestimating Azov's military capabilities, I believe the main problem was with some of its members bearing nazi attributes, no? Or did we change the subject from evil Ukraine nazi hunta bloodsuckers to Azov's military potential? 5)The same can be said about Putin and his supporters from right-wing political forces across Europe, so, where does it lead us? Directly or through proxies, but both sides tend to support whichever political or military force is convenient for them. Pointing out West as the sole evil as nazi supporters and leaving Puting out of it just shows lack of knowledge or amount of ignorance in this regard. 6)Me neither, lets blame ukrainians who decided to say NO to USSR era bribery, corruption, chaos, decline and strived to become better state, free from Putins influence, not being dragged by RuSSia back into swamp. Who ever found this situation to be of benefit was surely wise enough to use it to their advantage. With or without westerners money sooner or later it would have happened anyway. Oh and you said it yourself, previous regime, led by criminal Janukovich, was backed by Moscow not without huge bribery and huge amounts of money poured into pockets of politicians in Ukraine just to keep them sedated and under control of RuSSia, times changed, people changed and, perhaps, EU/NATO saw its opportunity and did the same, what Moscow did, poured in their own money, threw it at the wall to see what sticks. 7)Sure, nobody likes to lose their piece of pie, especially if that somebody is living in the world of delusions and expects every one else to live in that delusion as well(read - what else, besides threats of MAD does RuSSia have to put against the world?)...

Yes, it is. However, my country, with such retarded neighbour as RuSSia cant stay out of NATO and wont be able to remain independent and keep its unique culture and language without spending 2%+ of GDP to strengthen our military. RuSSia throughout history has proven that the only language it understands is straight to the point words that are backed up by some decent military power. Without that, until RuSSia becomes civilised country, were doomed to fall into stinky brown bears paws to be torn apart. They already tried to just that during soviet occupation times. Its odd to see someone from Chroatia, country which has gone through pretty lots of shit with its not so friendly neighbours, agitate against countries military spendings. How else do you plan to keep thy enemies at bay? I know you didnt say that, but I had to say to set things straight, far too many folks living in delusions regardin RuSSia and its affairs with its neighbours trying to shift responsibility to everyone else but Putin and its groupies. Regarding weapon in hands of neonazis - did you really expect that with the military of their size there will be no extremists of any kind to be found among troops there? As long as they dont commit genocide and similar atrocities and stick to ROE and Geneva conventions, I couldnt care less if they are neonazi wannabe's or red commie grandsons. 1)Im not. 2)Yes, I know there are people from around the world fighting at both sides, so? Its been like that in all wars throughout history, thats nothing extraordinary, its norm, especially these days when many local conflicts are fought with hands of merc's. 3)A-some want to help people of Ukraine to fight against RuSSian invaders and RuSSian backed terrorists, separatists, scum, and idiots who fell into trap of pro-putinist propaganda. Some also believe, that Ukraine is fighting the war not only for itself, but also for Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and if Putin will not be stopped in Ukraine, he will move on onto Baltic states. Some other genuinely believe that they are fighting against "fascists, hunta" of Ukraine, at least thats what they are told they are fighting against and so they do... B-some fight for money, especially on RuSSias backed side, given the enourmous amounts of resources RuSSia is pouring into East of Ukraine to pay its own soldiers who "take vacation and volunteer to fight" in Ukraine and to pay local drunktards and brainwashed zombies to fight against elusive nazis and reptiloids of Ukraine! 4)Yes, Ive heard, so what? Are they operating in Ukraine just the way they were in Iraq? 5)In my definition, when there is a war, civilians have little choice but leaving the theatre ASAP. It is also DUTY of civilians to inform any combatant, regardless of their origins, that its illegal to locate weaponry, artillery, bases and basically operate from within or nearby civilian objects such as living quarters, schools, hospitals and so on. If civilians stay in such area, it is their sole responsibility share together with military located near their homes, about what comes next, when the opposing side returns fire. Its pretty simple, its pretty logical and only side to blame for bombed civilian houses, schools, hospitals is the one who placed their weapons there and fired them from these locations. The response fire is normal thing to do, its how wars are being fought, its what war rules, ROE etc are written for. Unfortunately RuSSias backed terrorists arent keen on neither keeping up with Geneva conventions, nor any sensible ROE or cease-fire's. Seriously, have you read a bit or two on wars and and rules of engagement, martial law, Geneva conventions? I suspect that if you would, you wouldnt ask such a question regarding bombing of civilian areas. Oh and one more thing - the most shocking bombings were done by RuSSias backed terrorists where there were no Ukraine military forces present. 6)What facts are we talking about here? Care to point them out for me please? 7)Agree, tell that to Putin, tell him to pull all his troops and arms out of Ukraine. Until that happens Ukraine can buy whatever weaponry they can put their hands on and/or pay military advisors to train their troops. Unfortunately, from the very beginning of RuSSIa planing this operation, it has never been meant to be internal conflict between citizens of Ukraine, RuSSia planned it out really well, starting with seizure of Crimea. 1)Yeah, tiny little Baltic states have big, imperialistic ambitions regarding conquering the whole world and forcing people to celebrate Latvian Song And Dance Festival, power to dance and song, sing and dance or die, infidels! As soon as we get RuSSia out of our way, were on our way to global dominance in this area! 2)100 vehicles are here as a way of message not to mess with NATO. 10 vehicles would be enough, if Baltic states would stick to 2% of GDP and modernise their militaries instead of singing the same old mantra about 5th paragraph being the holy grail. There is such thing as acceptable loss and it has little to do with number of nukes or soldiers potential enemy might possess. The more aggressor bleeds, the higher risk of it being torn up from inside, when nation realises that far too many of its sons return home in coffins or crippled and money runs out and peoples lives are getting more miserable day by day because some retard in Kremlin wants to rebuild RuSSias borders the way they were during USSR nightmare period. 3)At this time and place, NATO, which you call a disease, is, for now, the best security there is, for quite a few countries, especially smaller ones bordering with RuSSia. Once there is alternative, we might as well see those countries either leave alliance or see alliance itself falling apart or transforming according to modern day tasks. 4)Well, in fact, it is - bloated military forces, enormous censorship, 99% state controlled media, non existent/non functional opposition, cult of leadership. 5)Hes opportunist and plays on west's fears and indecisiveness of old, wealthy west, who think that they can talk through Ukraine's crisis and make Putin pull out of Ukraine. Hes good at poker, that does take some calculating skills, but nothing extraordinary, he takes everything that cowardish western leaders cant protect from being stolen. 6)Yeah, well, look into history, there was this event called Cuban missile crisis, ever heard of? And RuSSia is or at least until recently was sending weapons to Syria regime, prior to that russians been keen on selling weapons left and right, supporting every country thats opposing americans both during USSR times as well as modern times. Whenever there are some big problems starting to appear its either RuSSia or USA/Israel(depending on region) involved, recently also China, go figure which one starts to stir it all up first though. 7)Thanks, Im trying not to, I think Im pretty good at it. 8)So what? If they understand whats been going on in their country for at least past decade, they will understand that RuSSia has turned into nazi, fascist, showinist, commie worshiping regime of a country. I also know that there are users from Ukraine reading these boards, what about them, fuck them or what? Lets not hurt aggressors feelings, as usual and let the one being bullied by aggressor suffer, like its always the victims fault, just like gang rape in India being womens fault, yes? Lets pet the poor russians, let us not hurt their feelings! What about Ukraine, drop it, forget it, fuck, just dont piss of RuSSia! I assume that people reading these boards are realists and arent much of Putin lovers and have quite clear picture of what is going on in their country so they shouldnt feel insulted, unless, of course, some of them havent drugged themselves into oblivion and lost last pieces of sanity.

The problem today is that poeple tend to be persons of talk and not of actions. When something happens, people will talk endlessly about it and start to compare and analyze whos the worst guy of all instead of acting to prevent further damage. So, ISIS warriors should be physically eradicated given that nobody admits in sponsoring them, even if USA or RuSSia does it, if they dont admit it, then its impossible to cut their money and equipment and arms supply chains.

Its odd to see someone from Croatia talking about no threats when you have acquired hundreds of US army surplus armoured vehicles from Afghanistan... Also posting links to putins propaganda channel RT news release does make you look like pro-RuSSian propagandas victim. But thats ok, there are no RuSSian troops in Ukraine, there are no RuSSian tanks and artilerry in Ukraina, sure, sure, only evil Ukrainian nazi's eating russian speaking babies alive and drinking their parents blood for breakfast, give me a fucking break! You better post RuSSian racist victim body pictures, videos of people being stabbed in RuSSia just because they are of different color! Dont post pictures of people defending Ukraine from RuSSias invasion portraying them all as nazi, you posted pictures of one volunteer battalion, number of people there - squad to platoon, not the whole battalion, not the whole volunteer movement in Ukraine, not the whole armed forces of Ukraine, not the whole nation of Ukraine! Anyway, I totally dissagree about no external threat to Europe and NATO, there is one major threat from the outside on the northern side of Europe and that is RuSSia, always has been, always will, unless people there change from their USSR sheep mentality with fake history to realistic nation with honest view on their blood, violence, rape filled nations past! Those 120 vehicles will be distributed among Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia along with 3000 US troops which isnt much, but still sends signal to bloodthirsty RuSSia that they shouldnt mess with Baltic states.

No, it wont. ISIS appears to be about beheadings and destroying cultural monuments, you either eliminate ISIS or it will spread, its as simple as that. There are times that the only defence is swift actions and complete termination of a threat, in this case, ISIS should be destroyed. Which individual do you mean it is pushing towards radicalism, muslim or westerner?

Bomb them into middle ages, thats all! Oh, wait, they are in the middle ages... Shieeeet!

Im not talking about travelling, Im talking about abusing social security system to do nothing but live on welfare and then go burn cars, beat up white people when they wander into migrant neighbourhood. I do think that those EU countries who have nothing to do with exploiting resources and humans in other parts of the worlds as well as throughout the historical periods of time, shouldnt be obliged to take responsibility for, say, Britains or France's historical mess. In my country for one, great deal of injustice has been created during soviet occupation, till this day we have hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers who were brought into our country(part of them have obtained citizenship, others refrain from doin so) in order to make our culture vanish, our language disappear. And now when I imagine that theres still alot to do to make sure that those who respect this country integrate and those who dont leave it, that now someone within EU will demand us to take in more foreigners, it makes me pretty fired up on the issue. Especially if you take into consideration that were very small nation and have had our un-fair share of problems with soviets trying to get rid of our culture, language and us as such. Also, since Ive been witness of how un-willing imigrants tend to be in regards to integrating into society, Im not willing to allow for more of such subjects to enter my country and behave disgracefully. I for one wouldnt expect to be given benefits just because I ask them, I have to earn them, I dont believe a person should receive all the goods and luxuries just for free, just because of being lazy bastard who is too damn stupid to try to fix things at his homeland and instead goes abroad in vast numbers just to seek good life at the expense of someones else paid taxes and exploit the system. Now, bare minimum is OK, but living for years on benefits and not working and then going out into the streets and wrecking havoc is, well, they are asking to be sent back from where they came from. You dont go around your neighbours apartments looking for the one with the freshest paintjob, you work, make money, buy paint and tools and do the fucking paintjob in your own apartment instead of being parasite. Unless your country and people been sucked out of the blood by said neighbours, I see no reason to ask for free goodies just because thy neighbours might be slightly stupid in this regard. I guess we come from different historical background, hence the differences in opinions.

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Blubber, they could start selling tickets to concerts just like to airplanes, ticket is tied to person and if you want to change owner of it that will come at a $$$ cost.

Well put, Ormi, well put ! On a side note - what happened now in Greece is huge disaster wait to unfold if the rest of the world allows it to. I guess ex-commie occupied countries have totally different ideas of what the communism IRL is all about ! Sure, its people, who ruin and corrupt system, but 50 years of slavery for "communism" is something hard to battle against when you hear words communism is good or something among those lines over here ! And its not like, so called fathers of commies ideas were all about PLUR themselves, were they ? Perhaps we should try to look up it in dictionary and simply use meaning found there? Otherwise its pretty much up to anyones own interpretation and/or experience of what this or that social/political/ecomonical structure/system is all about. Now, I understand you are out of this discussion and Im sure we wouldnt agree on this anyway, but the question for those taking part in this discussion: Do you find it OK people fleeing their own countries instead of cleaning mess up at their own home before running around world looking for naive European countries with generous social benefit systems and not giving a flying fuck about integration and respect of local culture and laws? I understand that countries which abused certain regions as colonies throughout centuries or at least decades are just getting back what they might have inflicted on occupied/suppressed people, but how about the rest, the ones who never occupied anyone, who never sucked out life force and wealth out of other peoples lands, countries, is that fair to them, especially given recent talks about how EU wants to creat refugee quotas and spread them around the whole EU and pay for refugees settled in each and every EU country?

I guess I would have to take some sort of online quiz to see where the wind blows in my case ! I find it perfectly fine to have to go and protect my country, family, myself with assault rifle is situation comes to it, I guess Im not the only one from this PLUR family.

Happy birthday and thanks to everyone, who contributed !

Well, not exactly on this matter, but here are my 2 cents: Pleiadians were 4 people and Crop Circles 6, so theres a big difference and you cant expect one person make the same thing as good as the original artists did, its just impossible to have 4 or 6 personas or traits of 4-6 people in one artist and let it all out balanced and sound good ! In other words - forget it, there arent any Pleiadians coming or new Crop Circles appearing nearby !

Well happy birthday then, T-somy! I see you had a blast !

Merry, everyone!

Oh wheres the drama violin when you need it? Pay attention, Im talking about obsessively loving ones own music and not about being spaced out by creating music or tripping to it while creating trip for the rest of the party. Im talking about OMG IM GONNA SLAY EM ALL WITH MY KILLARGH TUNE kind of attitude, I think I made it clear in my posts. But others have pointed that out, so its a common thing.

People have scared each other with these horror stories about psy turning into this, into that and still its alive and kicking, fear not, it wont die off as long you value it dearly and seek for more than just drugged up stomping in the music. Those dancers are academic dancers or what you call them, doesnt matter what you call them, they learn some kind of traditional form of dance be it very strict or more freestyle form of some art of dance, but its restricted to some sort of system. System of psy trance music the way I see it is dancing the music makes you to, no borders, only music and your sense of freedom, perhaps oneness with the universe it the limiting/unlimiting factor. Yeah, agree, loving ones own music to the point where you go extatic on the stage to it, is over the top, its IMO ego tripping. And dont start about music being ones brainchild and thus loving it like ones child, its not a child, its your creating but not a kid so its obviously different than loving your own child. I would like to see them dancing to forest psy for example, can you arrange that? Also, would you mind posting general guidelines for people how to dance to psychedelic trance?

I dont know nothing about the guy in video, so could you please elaborate what kind of opinion you have about him and what is it based on? Also, what exactly was this psy scene built upon, no drugs, no sex, no fun, just pure PLUR? I mean, even back then there obviously should have been ego trippers as well, every part of society have such individuals. If you think someones an ego tripper and doesnt quite correlate to what the scene is all about(even if theres only one person left in the whole scene staying "true" to the very spirit of the scene, whatever that spirit be) then what about just calling him a poser and be done with it, I mean, its(psy) in your mind, your heart and surely such posers shouldnt ruin it for you, should they?

Well if youre not happy about pressing play and it all being called live act then I agree with you on that. However, if its against a guy having little fun on the stage then Im not against it, nothing about ego unless he felt like "Im gunna kill them all with my killargh tune and badass dance moves OMG!"

I will allow myself to quote the whole post of yours: Awesome, first one to catch my eye was this - http://i.imgur.com/peUNcIQ.gif Epic movie !

Are we talking about a guy who once in a few years flips at everyone else, goes mad and calls people names? If so, I wouldnt bother with it.

Nothing is dying. As for kartoonz - dont be lazy, search this forum, dont expect that for every track of your liking there will be direct answer as to what else might sound the same or similar! Start with looking at various compilations with tracks that youre looking similar ones to and start from there. Really, move your brain, dont be couch potato !