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Padmapani    423
3 hours ago, thanosp81 said:

That's the norm with science. The knowledge is based upon current observations and more data could always change it. Only religion and politicians claim to know the "truth". The chances for mutations (in a meaningful manner) are very low. The specific virus has only one "fragment" of RNA to replicate, meaning that any mutation are statistically more probable to have a negative effect (on the virus) and make it less viable. 

sure, nearly any mutation will make it less viable. but every infected cell produces thousands of new virions. there are multiple coronoaviruses out there that are responsible for a portion of our seasonal colds. infection with neither of which produces lifelong immunity due to mutation of the virus before reinfection. of course it's not mix-and-match as with the influenza genome but we cannot be sure that it will not stick around at this point.

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Bartzabel    31

Well the full lock down my end  is sorted. Just had a Sequential Pro 3, Prophet 6 & Erica Synths Tech System delivered.
 

Kids got a a trampoline installed in the back yard this morning & a Nintendo Switch. 
 

Spent the weekend cooking and freezing lots of quality food, and set up my wife's gone office properly. 
 

Actually could not be happier, especially as it was confirmed today that when we had what was a bad cold a two weeks back and self isolated was the virus. Self isolated as in while we have waited for results we have not gone out the front door. 

The wife, kids and I all have had it & are clear. Fingers crossed we're immune now. 

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RTP    79

Great, so now you are immune to Covid-19 you can go face the next big thing: the financial crisis that is upon us.

You already cleared the first obstacle: spending your money on sh*t (and actually getting the stuff in your hands - many people neglect that ... amazon's delivery time has skyrocketed up to 1 month) before it's worth nothing anymore :P 

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I made a few coughs and the whole aisle cleared in the supermarket. Most convenient.

 

Not forcefully quarantined, like in Paris, say. Have to redesign a course on linear algebra to include a metric butt tonne of electronic materials, so I'm not really going anywhere, anyway. Also, bought an apartment, so some movement is necessary due to formalities. It's not really that different for me, thank god I don't work in catering or my situation might be  a bit..shit.

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Bartzabel    31
17 hours ago, RTP said:

Great, so now you are immune to Covid-19 you can go face the next big thing: the financial crisis that is upon us.

You already cleared the first obstacle: spending your money on sh*t (and actually getting the stuff in your hands - many people neglect that ... amazon's delivery time has skyrocketed up to 1 month) before it's worth nothing anymore :P 

We invested heavily in many physical commodities held in a safe box that will hold the value of cash is worthless. 

My wife's parents came from a severely war torn country, she was raised to be ready & invest appropriately in case the economy ever collapses.

all of this stuff was bought with case I've made this year from work, currently a lot of people need their music mastered.  

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RTP    79

So I coughed up blood last night ... about a mouth full. Never had this before in my life. I was scared to death and panicked, called the Covid-19 hotline ... there they told me to calm down, coughing blood is no symptom (only 5% of Covid patients cough blood) ... test was denied, reason: I have not travelled to a risk zone (Italy or China or Tyrol) in the last 2 weeks.

I have already been through some pretty bad ass lung problems years ago and never coughed up blood - so I suspect there is definitely something wrong with me here.

I called up my doctor and he told me I am now a suspected case of Covid-19 because of the fact that I am practically feeling a little bit weak in the last weeks and now cough blood, but he says at the same time that he can't come over and do a check up because he has no protective equipment. In fact, not many medical units have the equipment, so I am specifically instructed to call ambulance and refer that I am suspected Covid-19 if my condition worsens ... then the people dressed in white overalls come...

The borderline absurd: Covid-19 test can't be done ... I'd have to pay for it myself. I'd almost be tempted to do so, but I may not leave the house now and can't go to the lab that makes the test...

I have no governmental order to stay in quarantine yet - but I am not leaving the house, risk is way too high. Plus I feel weak too...

Stay safe people ... I felt a bit weak the last weeks but thought it's nothing ... turns out I'm wrong apparently.

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Padmapani    423

the thing with the tests and risk zones is beyond ridiculous by now.

what lung problems have you had before? any fever now? from what i've read in the scientific literature, it'd be very unusual to go staight from just feeling weak to coughing blood without typical pneumonia symptoms in between. also covid-19 does usually progress to serious illness, if it does at all, in a matter of no more than two weeks. if it's not covid-19 it's probably for the best if they don't collect you now and put you in with covid-19 patients when you're already coughing up blood now.

didn't they say that anyone who gets advised to do a test by a doctor will get one now? or is it just the usual thing of "shorty" lying as soon as he opens his mouth…
what about the drive-in stations they put up in all kinds of places?

anyway, all the best. get well soon and fuck our chaotic, bureaucratic way of managing this crisis.

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AstralSphinx    72
3 hours ago, RTP said:

So I coughed up blood last night ... about a mouth full. Never had this before in my life. I was scared to death and panicked, called the Covid-19 hotline ... there they told me to calm down, coughing blood is no symptom (only 5% of Covid patients cough blood) ... test was denied, reason: I have not travelled to a risk zone (Italy or China or Tyrol) in the last 2 weeks.

I have already been through some pretty bad ass lung problems years ago and never coughed up blood - so I suspect there is definitely something wrong with me here.

I called up my doctor and he told me I am now a suspected case of Covid-19 because of the fact that I am practically feeling a little bit weak in the last weeks and now cough blood, but he says at the same time that he can't come over and do a check up because he has no protective equipment. In fact, not many medical units have the equipment, so I am specifically instructed to call ambulance and refer that I am suspected Covid-19 if my condition worsens ... then the people dressed in white overalls come...

The borderline absurd: Covid-19 test can't be done ... I'd have to pay for it myself. I'd almost be tempted to do so, but I may not leave the house now and can't go to the lab that makes the test...

I have no governmental order to stay in quarantine yet - but I am not leaving the house, risk is way too high. Plus I feel weak too...

Stay safe people ... I felt a bit weak the last weeks but thought it's nothing ... turns out I'm wrong apparently.

Ouch, get well soon! I really hope our societies will learn from this outbreak, and be more well-prepared in the future. It's definitely an extreme stress test for all the affected countries.

 

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22 hours ago, RTP said:

So I coughed up blood last night ...

u srs bro? damn ... take care man, i wish you luck .. :( 

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RTP    79
1 hour ago, astralprojection said:

u srs bro? damn ... take care man, i wish you luck .. :( 

unfortunately yes ... but I have not been coughing up any red today at least...

20 hours ago, Diaks said:

Ouch, get well soon! I really hope our societies will learn from this outbreak, and be more well-prepared in the future. It's definitely an extreme stress test for all the affected countries.

 

Thanks ... I really hope the whole world will learn from this - and will be a better place afterwards...

21 hours ago, Padmapani said:

the thing with the tests and risk zones is beyond ridiculous by now.

what lung problems have you had before? any fever now? from what i've read in the scientific literature, it'd be very unusual to go staight from just feeling weak to coughing blood without typical pneumonia symptoms in between. also covid-19 does usually progress to serious illness, if it does at all, in a matter of no more than two weeks. if it's not covid-19 it's probably for the best if they don't collect you now and put you in with covid-19 patients when you're already coughing up blood now.

didn't they say that anyone who gets advised to do a test by a doctor will get one now? or is it just the usual thing of "shorty" lying as soon as he opens his mouth…
what about the drive-in stations they put up in all kinds of places?

anyway, all the best. get well soon and fuck our chaotic, bureaucratic way of managing this crisis.

Thanks for the info ... yes, it also deemed unusal to me ... but I had about three weeks of slight "feling sick" before, so maybe that was it already? That's at least what made the doctor think it's a suspected Covid-19...

I am flattered by the arguments from the people at our Covid-19 hotline ... they are nice and all, but denying that test is really bad. There are no drive-in tests in Vienna yet ... and even if there were, you'd need to pre-register via the hotline ... which they denied...

I have no bloody cough anymore, but a serious shortage of breath when lying down - i.e. sleeping. This worries me a lot right now, because I cannot get enough sleep :( 
I can get up and even walk around in the flat without major problems ... there's slight pain in the lung area and an occasional cough, but I'd call it "mild symptoms" ... but when I lie down, "all hell breaks loose" - the problem is, I do have anxiety and this worsens everything a huge deal. 
Temperature is 37,3 by the way ... just slightly raised. Normally I wouldn't be concerned about this...

I slept half an hour in the morning today and afterwards I felt like I had just climbed a mountain. What on earth is this? 

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Padmapani    423

that shortness of breath does sound a little suspicious. i think you should get tested. don't hesitate to call again if it gets any worse. keep us updated and take care.

that thing with lying down reminds me of what my parents told me a few weeks ago. they both were sick but comparatively fine in the afternoon, but had a bad cough with a little shortness of breath when lying down at night and frequently woke up because of the coughing.

i myself have had a little raised temperature (about 37,2) for 10 days together with feeling exhausted (might also have been due to stress at work) and a burning sensation in the bronchi, that caused me to stop smoking for the whole time (which i've never done due to sickness before) maybe two weeks ago. nothing major at all, not worse than the usual sniffles you get in winter, but the burning was unusual.

we're all fine now, but considering the wide range of symptoms, going from nothing at all to life-threatening, and how little we still know of the disease i'd really like to know if that was it or i'm just overly attentive when any such symptoms are mentioned in a situation like this one. i've got an antibody test coming in the mail (the kind of test that is only positive 1-2 weeks after the infection) soon. the more data we have the better. if any of us has a positive result the official numbers are just the tip of a giant iceberg, which would also make covid-19 a lot less dangerous as most cases would be relatively mild and go unrecognised.

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Padmapani    423

results are negative for all of us. so if the tests are as good as the manufacturer claims (5% false negatives), there are a few other viruses out there with similar symptoms (dry cough, tiredness, lung pain, raised temperature, no clogged nose or sneezing at all)

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RTP    79

Hey, what you describe sounds exactly like I've been feeling since the last 3 weeks - but I suspect I got a reinfection: I was sick at first, felt quite bad, then got better after about 10 days, went out and to work again, also went for extended walks and such ... then it got worse again and I feel like in another "10 day cycle" -- only strange thing was the bloody cough and the shortness of breath. It got better now, the blood is practically gone and the breathing feels better. Two tiny red dots in the morning cough today ... nothing to worry about. But I am staying alert ... if it worsens I will not hesitate to call the hotlines again.

My dad (an old man and a risk person) has the same symptoms like you describe. A burn in the bronchi and a medium sore throat that gets very dry in the morning ... but he'd rather be carried out by the paramedics than call the hotline, I have tried to convince him already :P 

The fact that your tests were negative makes me some hope that it's not Covid-19 what we have. Maybe there is another weaker virus out there that causes these symptoms (*). The blood that I coughed is the only odd and worrisome thing. I will get this checked as soon as I can, but at the moment I must stay home.

(*) and maybe - odd theory - if this weak undetected virus and covid-19 come together, there is a drastically higher risk to cause a hospitalization
Another way how I put it is: if this is Covid-19, so be it ... but if it's not, I pray I never get Covid-19 because the outlook is grim when I already have such trouble with a weaker virus right now!

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Manuser    290

@RTP

Be strong man :)

Some positive trance music from the golden era :P just thought I would post this here, music is powerful

 

 

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Padmapani    423
19 hours ago, RTP said:

The fact that your tests were negative makes me some hope that it's not Covid-19 what we have. Maybe there is another weaker virus out there that causes these symptoms (*). The blood that I coughed is the only odd and worrisome thing. I will get this checked as soon as I can, but at the moment I must stay home.

(*) and maybe - odd theory - if this weak undetected virus and covid-19 come together, there is a drastically higher risk to cause a hospitalization
Another way how I put it is: if this is Covid-19, so be it ... but if it's not, I pray I never get Covid-19 because the outlook is grim when I already have such trouble with a weaker virus right now!

there are something like viruses constantly floating around in the population that cause the common cold (including 4 types of relatively harmless coronaviruses). many of them could be responsible here.

definitely. that's one of the reasons people were fearing a fast spread of covid-10 while influenza was still circulating everywhere some time ago. if you get both influenza and covid-19 at the same time, you'll likely have a pretty bad time.

the biphasic course of the disease could either be bacterial superinfection (while your immune system is occupied with fighting off pretty much any virus it doesn't really care about bacteria that much. after all a virus can produce hundreds of copies of itself in the time a bacterium takes to divide into two new cells) or it could be covid-19. people also report feeling better for a day or two after a week or so before it comes back for another week. but i honestly have no idea how to explain that. after about one week your antibody production ramps up noticably helping you win the battle against the virus/bacterium/whatever. so if it's indeed not just a few odd cases but a characteristic of sars-cov-2 there must be something going on we don't yet fully know yet.

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RTP    79

Hi ... thanks for the info. Here's an update: I am now an official "suspected case" - meaning I got a test. I had to mention several times that my doctor specifically wants this test...
The guys in white were at the door yesterday and took my samples.
I need a result either way -- after talking to my doctor I do not even suspect it to be positive anymore, but I need a negative result on paper to be able to visit doctors. Nobody treats you without protective gear when you say you have temperature and shortness of breath - and doctors aren't properly equipped :P 

The result needs up to 3 days ... no joke <_<
But I am happy that it happens!

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Padmapani    423

that's good news!

but i really wonder what takes them so long to get to the test results. it procedure involves something like 30 min sample cleanup, 30min of combining ingredients for the test (if you want to fill up the thermocycles with lots of samples) and then letting the machine run for 5h.
i could understand if they collect samples from one entire day, then let the thermocycler run overnight, but even then you'd have a result in the next morning.

anyway, keep us updated with the results.

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Bartzabel    31

Terribly sorry to hear how many are suffering, whatever version we got it was not as bad as any of this. I hope all recover ok & heal. Much love & respect to all fellow psynews crew.

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RTP    79

Hello - new update: IT IS OFFICIALLY COVID-19

Yesterday the problems got so bad that I called 911 and got checked up in the hospital! In the course of this chceckup, the hospital did a NEW Corona test and the result of this NEW test has been positive!

On 4/11/2020 at 12:19 AM, Padmapani said:

that's good news!

but i really wonder what takes them so long to get to the test results. it procedure involves something like 30 min sample cleanup, 30min of combining ingredients for the test (if you want to fill up the thermocycles with lots of samples) and then letting the machine run for 5h.
i could understand if they collect samples from one entire day, then let the thermocycler run overnight, but even then you'd have a result in the next morning.

anyway, keep us updated with the results.

Hey, I have no clue what takes them so long for the initial test results to arrive. The doctor from the ambulance gave a hint: I overheard he suspects that they've lost my sample as he talked to a colleague. A second brigade came to me on Friday for another test ... no sign of that one either. It's a mess!

Fortunately the people at the hospitals are better trained and more accurate. I just got the news from the doctor from the hospital they took me to yesterday.

So my problems ... it is weird: it seems I have nightly Hypopnea ("Hypopnoe" in German) and also Apnea ... my breathing gets lower and lower and lower until it stops completely - I then have to wake up and consciously re-initiate the breathing! This process only happens when I do not breathe consciously, such as when going to sleep. That was the reason to call ambulance - unfortulately I did it in the morning and the symptoms were away during the day ... but they checked me through and let me out again, so yeah. The doctor on the phone saw no indication that I should return to the hospital, so I will try to battle it at home then - but when impossible I'll call ambulance.

There is almost no mucus at all in the lungs, by the way. Only very slight cough and a temperature of 37,2 - and even that went away, in the hospital they measured 36,8.
The only odd thing was coughing blood one time. And now this nightly Apnea.

Everybody out there please be careful! 

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Padmapani    423
6 hours ago, RTP said:

Hello - new update: IT IS OFFICIALLY COVID-19

thanks for the update.

at least you finally got the test. it really is a mess. while i would have expected them to have less peopel working over easter, i would not have thought that they lose their samples. unglaublich, so a schlamperei. at least those in the hospital are a bit better prepared. to which hospital did you go?

the hypopnea/apoe is really surprising here. i did another search but found zero mention in the literature available about covid-19. did you take any cough or pain medication (basically opioids)? or have you noticed that you aren't well rested after sleeping before your symptoms began? i have no idea how the virus could cause this, especially when you only have relatively mild symptoms otherwise (except the blood of course), but in real life medicine anything is possible…

this also makes me question if looking for fever as a symptom is of much or any use with covid-19.

all the best and a quick recovery!

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Penzoline    352

Shit man hopefully that thing clears out :(

I read about those breathing machines yesterday that some people have to use and everything about them sounds horrifying.

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RTP    79
21 hours ago, Padmapani said:

thanks for the update.

at least you finally got the test. it really is a mess. while i would have expected them to have less peopel working over easter, i would not have thought that they lose their samples. unglaublich, so a schlamperei. at least those in the hospital are a bit better prepared. to which hospital did you go?

the hypopnea/apoe is really surprising here. i did another search but found zero mention in the literature available about covid-19. did you take any cough or pain medication (basically opioids)? or have you noticed that you aren't well rested after sleeping before your symptoms began? i have no idea how the virus could cause this, especially when you only have relatively mild symptoms otherwise (except the blood of course), but in real life medicine anything is possible…

this also makes me question if looking for fever as a symptom is of much or any use with covid-19.

all the best and a quick recovery!

The things that happen with the tests here are really a mess. I still have no result from the first two...

Yes, the hypopnea / apnea is very strange also to all doctors I talked to about it. I am suspecting that I had a condition already and the virus worsened it greatly. I was a snorer, as people who I traveled with reported - and I have had the occasional case of being not well rested after the night. But never to this extent ... so I suspect that the virus made it greatly worse -- would be logical: the lungs can currently not take the strain of my "ordinary sleep apnea condition" (which was hardly noticeable before) now that they are stressed out with the Covid-19...

I don't take any opioids, don't need them as I have not much of a cough.

I have been prescribed a bronchodilatador (emergency asthma medication) - this helps with breathing in the night, but it does not fully cure the process that I do not breathe by myself. It's very weird. I have to watch it closely and call ambulance if it's not bearable - will do that.

Fever is of no use at all as an indicator. I have just a bit raised temperature such as 37,2...

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I have been prescribed a bronchodilatador (emergency asthma medication) - this helps with breathing in the night, but it does not fully cure the process that I do not breathe by myself. It's very weird. I have to watch it closely and call ambulance if it's not bearable - will do that.

maybe you have fluids in your lungs, which seem to happen with covid, better get to the hospital sooner than later and get it checked out. good luck to you. 

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