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what whas the first New School goa track

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why so grumpy paul this is all a friendly discussion about music :) and genre definitions :)

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Oopie    159

It's just evolution of a certain music style... don't think there's a point where you'd be able to pinpoint an oldschool track from a "neogoa" one precisely. Analog vs. digital may be the factor that gave this genre a certain leap into something new though.  

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Evolution is like a Wave...for now we go upwards FOR NOW... but its a wave with small Steps in it if you zoom in. I (maybe Astralprojection too) talk about the small steps in the wave. There are progressive and avantgarde people out there who do this steps. They sometimes jump over 5 of them. I suggested "SynSun - Quazar" because i found this track randomly on "psytrance from paris"  and i was blown away because it is far more superior in the production/buildup than any other Goa track from this time + - 3 Years! this guys jumped up 10 steps in the  wave of evolution and for now it is the first newschool Goa track. No Doubt...they jumped up and got on another Level insted of swimming in the river stream upwards with all the others.

 

"It's just evolution of a certain music style... don't think there's a point where you'd be able to pinpoint an oldschool track from a "neogoa" one precisely"

we want to find this older one jumper who did the most similair Goa Trance compared to recend Newschool Goa Music ;)

 

i was in love with it so i made a mix with Quazar as starting Track...all the other tracks are from 2018+ 

just compare them with Quazar...specially the Suntrip ones "SynTrip Rec." :D

 

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Shpongled247    76

Wow there is some fuuun stuff happening in here! :D

This thread has been so goooood, even if to just remind me some tracks i have forgotten haha..

Also, I never heard Quazar before! I don't know how but yeah, never.. and it just blew my mind!

As for the original topic.. So hard to pinpoint as most of you already worked out, but Ethereal/BPC/Synsun must be some of the first and well Filteria is his own thing but he gave it that huge kickstart of energy at a perfect time. :D 

 

 

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i am  slav...i know what i am talking about infidels... :angry:

not astralprojection, Shpongled247 and this other tussian guy...i love you.

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Tsotsi    99
2 hours ago, Psychedelic Superbeast said:

first Newschool track:

 

Welcome to the future 

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Microdelic    18

in my opinion the album or Ra ‎- To Sirius was the first developed new Goa trance sound!

also the ep Ethereal ‎– All Systems Are Go does.

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haha yo, sorry i was drunk yesterday...even such a perfect cosmic being like me has a weak point...i feel that the racism is rising in our world and soon the apocalypse will arrive to set the equilibrium of good and evil.

 

"The beauty you see in me is a reflection of you"

- Artifact303

 

 

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thanosp81    299
7 minutes ago, Psychedelic Superbeast said:

haha yo, sorry i was drunk yesterday...even such a perfect cosmic being like me has a weak point...i feel that the racism is rising in our world and soon the apocalypse will arrive to set the equilibrium of good and evil.

 

"The beauty you see in me is a reflection of you"

- Artifact303

 

 

You still sound drunk :P:P:P

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Italo Disco ->Dark Ambient Techno-> Dark Synthpop->EBM->Proto Trance->Proto Goa->Classic Goa->Psychedelic Goa->Floating Goa->Newschool Goa->Neurogoa ->Anunnaki Funk->Grey Gaytrance->Subaru waves->kakashka->Bone Music->Drums->three strings guittar->Emantra->Four Strings Guittar ->Piano->Jazz->psychedelia-> Artifact303->Psychedelic rock->Progressive Rock->Disco->Filteria->Italodisco->....and so on :)

 

so we have the first Newschool one....what was the first Oldschool goa trance track?

I go for this ones:

 

 

 

sorted by year from 1990-1995. I will go with "Cydonia-Animals"from 1995

 

it was censored by youtube  a little but i think i know what i am talking about XDDDD

 

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On 6/28/2019 at 3:58 AM, Tsotsi said:

 

but the real eargasms, increased heart rates and jumping around comes from Neogoa. 

all you said is pretty much spot on, and also what i feel the differences are except this little line here.

I think no newschool track- ever- can compete with the heart racing moments some of the old school can. I can make a list of at least 10 tracks - that in my mind cannot be topped (or at least, have not been topped yet) (for example AP stuff from dancing galaxy, hallucinogen stuff from lone deranger,  etc etc. not to mention one-hit wonders like juan,domi,jorg - spiritual healing remix, pigs in space - solar, and the absolute stormer that is p.cok - double doper) artifact303, e-mantra and filteria in all glory - they just dont outdo those old school classics. (my humble opinion, by no means facts)

 

with that said i also still enjoy new school more now, than i ever did :)

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On 6/28/2019 at 8:13 PM, Oopie said:

It's just evolution of a certain music style... don't think there's a point where you'd be able to pinpoint an oldschool track from a "neogoa" one precisely. Analog vs. digital may be the factor that gave this genre a certain leap into something new though.  

we did find that point though, and its 2001 and SynSUN -Quazar.

unless you got a better once in mind :)

Ethereal - all systems are go 

and RA - To sirius were also great suggestions.

 

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Oopie    159
1 hour ago, astralprojection said:

we did find that point though, and its 2001 and SynSUN -Quazar.

unless you got a better once in mind :)

Ethereal - all systems are go 

and RA - To sirius were also great suggestions.

 

Ra's album is old school and some of 'To Sirius' tracks have been produced as early as 96/97. 

I'll let you have your opinion on Synsun but would like to point out they also made two albums in 99 & 00 which have similar tracks to the one you mentioned.

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psytones    103

D5 002 vinyl, could be the Glow track?

 

*aztronaut

 

 

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2 hours ago, Oopie said:

Ra's album is old school and some of 'To Sirius' tracks have been produced as early as 96/97. 

I'll let you have your opinion on Synsun but would like to point out they also made two albums in 99 & 00 which have similar tracks to the one you mentioned.

yeah, but quazar to me (and a few others here) seem to be the one.

i completely agree that RA isnt new school (although i do see the merit in him being so) and ethereal is borderline at best :) 

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Anoebis    413

Actually, if you are guys are really so interested in this... The first new school goa track is the first goa-trance track completely made with pc! No external synths used. Any idea what that track would be? :p 

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okay, very interesting, im dying to know =)

and yes dammit, music is fun and everything technical about music wether it be genre definitions or what have u, is very fun. Specially because eveyrone has their own opinion and noone is wrong. That is the main fun part about it. And the concurrent disagreement that ensues by the opinions.

;D

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Paul Eye    451
29 minutes ago, Anoebis said:

Actually, if you are guys are really so interested in this... The first new school goa track is the first goa-trance track completely made with pc! No external synths used. Any idea what that track would be? :p  

Do trackers count in this case? Or are samples from synths considered "external synths"? We're talking mid-90s anyway here :)
If not, maybe something made in early versions of Jeskola Buzz where no samples were used.

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Dolmot    153
25 minutes ago, Anoebis said:

Actually, if you are guys are really so interested in this... The first new school goa track is the first goa-trance track completely made with pc! No external synths used. Any idea what that track would be? :p 

This is getting silly now... (Or did it already several pages ago?) I remember that there were goa-flavoured .mods in the tracker scene in 1993-1994. The term "goa" as a genre was barely known back then. However, soft-synths were quite limited so there was plenty of sample ripping from hardware or commercial sources (which in turn were typically hardware-based). Where do you draw the line with "no external synths used"?

 

One landmark was Propellerhead Software's ReBirth, which was released in December 1996 and made fully soft-synthetic classic goa sound quite easily achievable. I have some tracks from 1997, which indeed credit ReBirth as more or less the only sound source. And you could distribute ReBirth-sequenced files directly too. Those were definitely 100% PC.

 

It's also known that Shiva Shidapu was releasing tracker music in 1997 and they were hardly the only ones. No idea about all their sound sources, though.

 

I think I made some pure AdLib FM-synth tracks in the mid-90s. The manufacturer of the original card went bankrupt in 1992 so the hardware option was definitely there earlier than goa as a named genre existed. The sound capabilities were definitely limited, but a 303 is not a strict requirement for producing goa, right? :lol:

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that is one excellent and refreshing comment.

the first music i ever made was with ReBirth. 

 

what does it mean though? Does hardware/software have nothing to do with what is new and old school ?

im enclined to believe, no. 

but certainly its part of it. software then wasnt nearly as good as software now. and software now is what make artists like nova fractal, and artifact303 so damn good.

but artifact303, im not even sure if that is all software........ nova fractal i do know, and to me that is some of the best Goa Trance that exists today. i dont care the slightest if it sounds software..and its damn near the definition of new school to me... while artifact303 is somehow borderline to the old school ? i dont know, im not making any sense.

nova fractal - common cold for example. thats one of the tracks id put as top 3 neogoa of all time... and it sounds software as hell and nowhere near the quality of artifact303 - feelings - yet i still rank it as top 3 with that one. 

its a strange thing - music. 

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recursion loop    478
On 6/29/2019 at 2:03 AM, Psychedelic Superbeast said:

first Newschool track:

 

Well, that sounds horrible like most 80s synth-pop stuff, especially made in ex-USSR. But some of Alliance's later songs were actually great, my father had a vinyl, i think it was Sdelano v Belom (Made In White) which I liked a lot when I was about 11 y.o. Today it sounds very naive but it still has some hypnotic and mysterious qualities similar to what I'm looking for in psychill music  

 

 

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recursion loop    478
On 6/30/2019 at 11:56 PM, Anoebis said:

Actually, if you are guys are really so interested in this... The first new school goa track is the first goa-trance track completely made with pc! No external synths used. Any idea what that track would be? :p 

Psylent Buddhi? 

This is taken from Discogs: "1997 - 2003 is, as the album title suggests, a collection of tracks created between 1997 and 2003. ....Apart from Retrocede, Metalucid and Winter Tickle, the tracks were produced using an eclectic combination of Impulse Tracker, Rebirth, Dreamstation and Acid". 

https://www.discogs.com/ru/Psylent-Buddhi-1997-2003/release/1512212

For what I know, Rebirth and Dreamstation were some of the first software capable of making synth sounds, Acid was a mixing software and Impulse Tracker was, well ... a tracker. So apparently no external gear whatsoever.

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On 7/7/2019 at 2:06 PM, recursion loop said:

Well, that sounds horrible like most 80s synth-pop stuff, especially made in ex-USSR. But some of Alliance's later songs were actually great, my father had a vinyl, i think it was Sdelano v Belom (Made In White) which I liked a lot when I was about 11 y.o. Today it sounds very naive but it still has some hypnotic and mysterious qualities similar to what I'm looking for in psychill music  

 

 

Do you know the russian band dolphin(Дельфин)?

If no, check them out!...if yes, can you give me names of similair russian/International stuff?

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