Multi-Media

I made a mix without much sidechain, do you want to take a listen? Edit, uploading as private to SC now, will send you the link - if you have time... Nope I am not going to spam my music in this thread haha

Yup and you were right.. I rather stay in what I am better in = darker, noisier, industrialized sounds. Edit, OT

Cosmosis used the "Bass Station 2" which is a hardware device IIRC I really do not know which style my tracks are really - I make what I like - guess it is not even 90% psytrance. My trial in the "commercial trance" genre which I had sent to @astralprojection is not anymore one of my fave tracks - he just identified also that it is not that cool. This new one started could go to EBM if such vocals were added (with steady 4/4 beat which original EBM did not use too often - more "modern EBM" I mean, which is oth more often than not is not "EBM" anymore LOL This sentence is confusing Yes, EBM used 303ish stuff too, see live performances by Front 242 very prominent there. The main problem is that music needs to sort in to genres at last anyway, as soon one wants to "release" it.. I do not like the ABL2 as a MAIN bass synth so far...I often use the ES2 (quite old and not CPU hungry at all) for this task it seems good at Juno like basses

As I have solved the issue above and while experimenting with the ABL I got already 1/3 of a new track (means another began and not finished *sigh*). I ran into trouble with the 303 sequence together with kick and main bassline. Seems frequencies got themselves into the way. I learned how to make room to a certain decree but when I cutoff/lower too much of the low of the 303s it becomes too thin. How do you deal with this? Perhaps lower the main bassline in volume while the 303 plays or put a sidechain on ? I made a track with lots of sidechain and a mastering engineer (=AP fromt his forum) told me it was way overboard, so I am now careful with that... I recon many use the 303 also as the main bassline, which I do not do. I have a regular synthbass for that.

@AstralSphinx Hey, the Miranda track above is quite nice, but has not much "PSY" in it at all and yes 3 minutes is short for trance/techno. Edit, yes I note it is not a very complex track and mostly arps thrown together... Btw. there are rap/hiphop titles often with 2.00 -2.30 length part of the WHY? is that Spotify gives you a play count for a 2Min. track already. There was one guy who uploaded 1 Min. snippets to Spotify etc. then promoted the shit out of it and played it with bots etc. millions of time. He made good money before someone noted the fraud...other reason is attention span of most people shortened which also is true for music. Even a 1Min. intro might be to long for todays listeneres and they just skip the track if it not brings beats or melodies etc. early on.. But what is "ASOT"?

So here are many people who have musicprojects or labels themselves. I noted that in the last years copyright laws are now sharper.. so start here to read a thread in a German forum re. copyrights: https://recording.de/threads/alte-sample-libraries-und-heutiges-recht.233919/ He is asking about older sample CDs but the thread also widens to the topic of filmsamples and pictures. I use(d) such moviequotes a lot just like MANY psytrance and/or techno and/or industrial-ebm bands. Never got trouble except 2 copyright strikes at YT, one of which was my own title ironicly taken from a released compilation, the other was from Warner Bros for Bladerunner content. But nothing more happened, the videos were not even deleted. Also noted a distributor who I signed up with forbids even these small filmsamples in the "AGB" (business terms) I would like to hear anyone got in trouble or knows someone who was in trouble from using movie/news/game samples ? I am not talking about ripping other music off thatr is lame and I agree it should be punished!

Does not matter much to me, if I remake an old (already "released" even if only online) track of myself, I would make that clear in the title and description...this only confuses and I do not like confusion.

Found another "remake":

Nice track btw. did I miss more of Indoor, seems they went under my radar "back in the days"? Here album in question: https://www.discogs.com/de/California-Sunshine-Rebirth/master/439140 Reviewer says: "Most of the songs are remakes, but what remakes they are" Seems to miss however some credit to original musicians if I am not mistaken? If I would make a "remake" I would certainly give credit. Edit, just noted they have an album named "Let there be light"....

Well if they only know Armin, Vini Vici etc. which is now some kind of big thing I noticed (guess it has more attention then even back in the late 90ties when there was a good output of good music and bigger festivals started) then they will not recognize I guess that eg. Hallucinogen,MWN or BBC etc. is Psytrance at all. Well tradionell it is still goa anyway...but this would be the same with modern "industrial". Seems Metal for example there it is not so much the case even "new metal" could do nothing to old metal classix and even new metal people would recognize eg. Obituary as Deathmetal and Judas Priest as Heavy/Hardrock

WAAAITTT... the name is PSYNINA ? I always was thinking PSYNINJA, you know these Japanese guys: Guess I need a new alter ego myself to have any success in the music biz

Yeah I figured this already, in case of THEBLUE there is no folder at all, just the dll,dat and fxb file, which I unzipped in the VST folder. And there seem to be no menu to load presets: I like the kind of warm, nostalgic and rough sound of this one, this is why I really want to have the presets (like said, there is only 1 in the menu - which the Logic interface provides, not the synth itself!) In the case of Audiorealism Bassline, this one seems to have only the options to load patterns and rebirth songs (at least this is the file ending = .rbs). But I downloaded an .fxp file which says are presets for ARL-B. But I see no way to load them, also putting in the "patches" folder does nothing. Also it will not load the .rbs files, however the patterns work (there are 4 folders with patterns for different styles) EDIT; SOLVED one needs to use the host application to load these (means the DAW itself!)..if VST itself has no menu.

Hey folks, I finally got the ARL-B to work, noted with the delivered patterns I can get decent results. However I also downloaded a preset for it with the file format .fxp. I do not know how I can load this in the synth? Also it can import Rebirth patterns (or called songs?), this does not work too sadly ;( Fromt his thread: Same here old free VST "The BlueV2" I cannot find a menu to load presets at all, the format here is .fxb: You guys are experienced perhaps someone can help?

Back to listening.... This Deviant Species stuff (The Randomizer) sounds also a bit like The Delta, or for sure it is good! I have 2 Tracks which go in a sameish direction, I wonder how one would sort the style in ? I mean I would not care personally which stype, but most listeners and distributors need at least one or better 2 style categories...people in this thread seem fit in the darker styles so perhaps can help? I could send you a sample from my track also next week.

Mh, the 2nd DS album seems a mixed bag, not everything is available for listen, but seems the 4 tracks I heard were a bit too minimal for my taste. Here an example, to my ears not bad but lacking some more drive. Some elements sound like music I am working on atm. - interestingly... Here another somewhat better track vom same album: I found however a 2 track EP, here is sideA from it, so far my fave: (the b-side is quite forgettable tho) Put that above track on my buy list, if it can be bought seperatly I wonder if someone still participates in the thread ?LOL

Ok, I am now going to listen to this other Species, the first 2 albums on Discogs have more an average rating, while the Randomizer has a very good one: https://www.discogs.com/de/Deviant-Species-In-The-Hands-Of-The-Randomiser/master/763072 But start with this one: https://www.discogs.com/de/Deviant-Species-The-Quest-For-Balojax/release/214964 This seems to have Lovecraftien vibes judging from artwork and titles and I used to be Lovecraft fan as also some Goth stuff used this a theme...btw. the first DE album posted above I noted as a future purchase. I will after DS, then check some more of the Future Prophecy, I only listened to 2-3 tracks so far, seems ok. Edit, I have a feeling not too many here will like DS, it is not very melodic so far and as we learnt (from a troll posters video) psytrance is dead without huge melodies/cheese etc (*sarc*)

WTF I just found this in recomendation related to Second Decays 1st album: And can you believe it, this is from 2018 but sounds so 80ties..

Found this video per coincidence and it seems to bring up some point which might support OPs view? The guy is movie score specialist of sorts and he seems right that even in this departement melodies got more sparse

@Manuser Yeah the other deviants are already on my "to check out more" list, but for now I check this one out and find it better so far than the Green Room, from which only 3-4 tracks seem noteworthy (but the art design is top) Edit, seems I listened to some tracks from this album before - so a 2nd listen reveals it is better than I remember

@Padmapani Nice, I just discovered that at page 16 in the metal thread, there is some kind of idm/chiptune/psy/whateverelectro metal mixture posted, maybe you find something to your liking. For me it seemed too "Happy" or "Melodic" (I am more into darker styles..)

Must listen, Watain is a mixed bag, but this track is a hit: Also not bad:

One of the more relevant attempts of "industrial or techno blackmetal", however it is still more metal... I would name Fear Factory - Fear is the mind killer mix EP even more than above one... Some would also add Samael, however using some keys and a drum machine is not enough for the category I mean with more than 80% metal and only 20% or so electronic elements Ah I forgot some promo: Have in the works a kind of industrial/electro doom track, so quite sloooow, struggling with the vocals mostly however, but this should sound at least "out of the ordinary" when complete Listened too Burzum and noted his stuff is mostly repetitions so a kind of trance music and often slow - took some inspiration from it. But it does not belong to my fave metal, only some single songs do not get boring over time (I know it is also considered kvlt but seems overrated)

Ah interesting Fluorosis, seems we agree at least on the Blue Planet and (mostly "older") Boris Blenn stuff Btw. I am not even a fan of this early indus stuff or Neubauten, I just pulled them as example that non melodic stuff can become "kvlt" Re. SP, I think mostly their status is deserved but some of theirs are a bit overrated, they have huge tracks and some let downs, making complete albums sometimes a mixed bag. Even their hit Assimilate has weaknesses, it is too long drawn out without much change in the 2nd half imho. But back in the days such music was a "revelation"..might be I like their Canadian comrades from FLA a bit more, perhaps cause they have some dancefloor stompers but also soundtracks and game music etc. Plus some psytrance / IDM mixed in sometimes...a good mixture too were the first 2 Covenant albums ("techno-ebm"?) Also why I have a feeling that Fluorosis might not like my music..(mostly darker, sparse melodies, some noise)

Progressive Death/Doommetal mixed with Psytrance could be interesting As long it does not just put a beat and some 303 "under" the metal I recon... There were some attempts even mixing blackmetal with indus/techno, but what I heard was pretty half-hearted (not gone the whole way..tststs)

Just listening to Deviant Electronics, seems ok stuff, but this album cover for sure rocks: Ah and do not confuse the 2 bands with "Deviant", as Deviant Species is in a sameish realm. Both seem good so far, however the Species might be more my taste. Need to listen to DE´s earlier stuff too ("Brainwashing..."), the Green Room did not grab me so far, but it´s not bad at all...