Purple Sunray

I accidentally opened this forums again after a long break and started reading some of the new posts. One question came to my mind while reading through it, which I would really like to understand: What keeps you posting on this forums? There has nothing really changed since I visited to page the last time, but is why I wonder about that there are still the (same?) ppl around, still posting the same stuff. Complains about shitty new release, complains about fucked up psytrance scene, complains about (sub-)genre xy, some flame-war seasoned with personal insults. A lot of users in here seem to not like psytrance/goa/whatever (electronic 4/4-on-the-floor BOOM BOOM with 1/16 bass and psychedelic synth in it). Also they seem to not like the psytrance scene, nor other users in here. Informative threads are very rare, funny threads not existent, serious discussions turn to flame-war asap. ect. I mean.. it doesn't look like fun, or is it? So what keeps you posting in here? (no wind-up, really want to know it) .

From a technical perspective: > I checked some of my CDs with audacity and some has clipping. What kind of clipping? Your CD has the audio data stored as 16bit sample values. Such a 16bit sample can have a value from -32767 to 32767, where 0 is silence (-80dB) and 32767 is max (0dB). The wav file itself cannot store any clipping, because 0dB is max value a sample can have. If you say that such a CD has clipping, it can come from two sources: 1) The mastering engineering fucked it up. He mastered that CD with limiter gain knob on wrong position and produced a signal that goes above 0dB. Since the wav file cannot store values above 0dB, everything above is clipped and you hear distortion most likley. No way to solve that, blame the mastering guy. You don't see this kind of clipping on audacity necessarily, because the signal is not above 0dB (but it should be). 2) Inter-sample peaks. To re-construct a continuous (analog) signal from a discrete (digital) signal you need an algorithm that does kind of interpolation (a pretty advanced 'interpolation' though ) Your CD has 44.1k samples per second, but the signal on the audio interface output must be continuous, not an impulse-train of 44.1k values per second. That interpolation can produce Inter-sample peaks. That is a peak that is above 0dB, even if none of the sample values is above 0dB: Fixing this is easy - don't play the track with volume knob on 0dB, but slightly lower so that inter-sample peaks don't go above 0dB (this is the "lower by -0.3dB" tip by recursion loop)

Bazzism creates a machine specific key, which you need to send to the vendor during the order process and he sends a serial back that is valid for exactly that machine. So be careful with selling that plugin, I don't think that anyone else will be able to run it if you don't sell your PC with it.

Do you need it for any professional application, or just for hobby purpose? I use the Saffire 6 USB and I'm pretty happy with it: http://focusrite.de/usb-audio-interfaces/saffire-6-usb Not that expensive, but still decent quality on hardware and audio processing. If you need top-notch high-quality stuff look for RME, Avid & co. but you need a really good budget for being able to afford such a device =)

My favorite sets are not online unfortunately.. was Jahbo and Fog, both on MODEM festival last year. Not exactly the sets I'm talking about, but something to listen at from those two DJs:

IMHO I think sticking to one genre only is the reason why got bored. I could be wrong.. but if I think about watching same TV-series for 10 years, or books from same author for 10 years, or ... I will get bored for sure. It's just the same for music, at least for me. I pretty much listen to all kind of electronic music and usually, after I'm through with listing to the lastest-and-greates EDM BREAK-DROP-BREAK-DROP set, my eyes are open again about why I love psytrance so much compared to i.e. EDM

I would bet on that "Holy shit, all this new psy5.0 releases suck balls, why nobody releases good old year 2000 fullon anymore???" :D

@Ormion I don't think this can be fixed. It's a mindset thing. Either you are the 'progressive' (no not psy ) type of person that is focused on exploring new stuff or you are the conservative type of person that is focusing on keeping the current. Now the issue on the internet is, that it is very easy for the second group to get rid of the first one. Comes back to same again - the first group will just silently disappear if there is nothing new to read/write, while the second one will keep sticking around cuz it's their turf. No idea how to fix that, since I'm a strong advocate of "everyone has to build his own mind". If people don't want to talk about new-shool stuff or genres they don't like, this is completely fine. Don't even want to change that, it's their mind - who I am to tell them that they need to change it??? Don't want anyone trying to change me, so I also don't try it with others.

My two cents 1) No idea 2) I also stopped posting almost completely. Reason is because most of the threads fall into one those categories: - It is a talk between a couple of old members that do just their thing and ignore all other posts. - You get shitstormed because you posted a dark track on a goa thread, proggy track on a full topic, ... - The topic is washed up to dead already. No interest in participating on any of those. Interesting /serious topics usually convert into one of those categories after a couple of days latest. 3) Try it, but I hardly believe someone that has lost interested will come back because of such an e-mail. 4) Don't get what you mean with that. I'm almost always on forums as a 'guest' unless I plan to actually post something. 5) Diversity. i.e. I spent hours writing on a topic about structure of modern psytrance (influenced by psy-rock vs. more similar to jazz, vs...) on a rock-music forum. It was really interesting and I learned a lot of new views on 'our' genre. Talking about such a topic in here would be basically about "modern psy suck, all the same, no music, just random, want old-school back, funny animate-gif + some old-member inside talk" ... kk bb 6) Said most important things already

like this?

huh? so what kind of sound do they play in australia? I couldn't even use vinyl if I wanted to, simply because nobody of my favorite artists & labels releases on vinyl. Most don't even do CD releases anymore, but distributed it online only. Not event thinking about all the unreleased stuff or home-brew production tracks, no way to get this stuff on vinyl.

Depends on how you define liveset If 'live' on the liveset is because files are played with Ablton Live, than you are right. For me 'live' means that he is playing his own sound. Playing tracks of other artists is DJ'ing for me, also if the name of player is Ablton "Live".

Yeah it did. Doing "loop-mix" was quite difficult, to impossible on vinyl (here you basically play a part of track B in a loop, mix it onto A and as soon as fade is on B, you exit the loop and keep B running). "Jump mix" (no idea what's the name for this) - here you don't wanna mix B onto A, at end of A, but you want to mix in a certain part of A, while still playing the whole the track. So you the loop / jump / seek / resample / whatever feature of your CD player so that you can jump from end-of-A to mix-part-of-A, where you fade B into. + a couple of more techniques that come along with the fact that CD players can do looping / seeking / resampling way better than a vinyl player (where you would end with 4+ players to achieve the same like 2 CDs players).

huh? This is just completely different to how you do a set with CDs or vinyl. He doesn't care at all about sync button or pitch slider. Actually he is not even do "mixing", but he is layering clips. Gives you whole bunch of new possibilities - here it's not really about mixing two tracks, but cutting tracks onto tons of small clips and play those clips live on stage.

I have actually never understood why a laptop should remove any kind of 'conact' with the people, compared to CDs. If you talk about a pre-recorded set that is just started with simple PLAY-button hit, than you actually lose it, but this related to the mixing-style of the DJ, not the technology. I mean, you can also just burn that pre-recorded set into CD and push play-button on the CD player. You work with CD, but still don't do anything on stage other than dummy-mixing on the knobs of the unused channels. Same is valid vice versa. You can just load a ton of files onto your USB stick, don't prepare any CUE-points upfront and don't use the sync-button but the pitch slider. Then you are basically at vinly-level-mixing-style, but using a laptop to play the files. You can prepare a set on laptop so that it automatically plays for hours with a single button hit. Or can also decide to not prepare anything upfront, but search/set the CUEs on stage and use the pitch to sync, instead of the sync button.

Like said above, if this machine is online on the internet, you should update as soon as possible. Apple has/had the policy (not sure about what's their current policy) of only supporting the current and last released OS X version with updates. If you want a save system, you HAVE to update, there is no way around -- it's not like with MS, still delivering security patches for a Vista (released on 2007). Apple simply drops supports of old OS version after some time. It's even worse - they provide detailed information about security relevant fixes on follow-up version. Like https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202854- nice list of security issues that have been fixed with Mavericks, but won't be fixed on any older version. So this list is not only about what's fixed on Mavericks, but it's actually also a kind of guideline on how to attack old OS versions, which will not receive those fixes. If you have a system with lot of software, drivers, plugins, ... running on it, rather remove the internet connection and keep it as it is (never change a running system).

Well, then those ppl are just same ignoramuses as you are. I'm out here now, we are not talking about the initial topic anyhow anymore. Can't handle all those closed-minded-folks here. For me music is any kind of accustic vibration, which someome can enjoy when he listens to. And if he is the only one in the univeres that likes this kind of vibration and all others hate it, this is still music and I'm happy for him that he found something he can enjoy. This whole "you shit taste ololo" ... "I no shit tase, you just don't understand" ... "give a shit, no music" .. bullshit in here is just not worth the time tiping.

> So if you ask me, it's not proper music if there are no melodies. wow^^ So this is no music according to your defintion? IMHO Melody is just element on music, but it's mandatory. I mean.. some people even call whales 'talk' or bird chriping 'music', and those creatures truly have no clue about what humas define as melody

Hm, just listend to some of Pschaos track - it's too much 'goa' for my taste. I rather stick with the Highcosmos style, if we are now going to battle each about the most groovy oldschool darkpsy > And if you think that I can't stomach some darker music, you should have seen me at Xenomorph's gig at ZNA. Now that was some properly haunting mindfuck. With melodies. Why should I?

No.. you just need to get used too If my mom listens to psy, she can not even follow the most basic melodies on those tracks. The only comment I get form her is like "holy shit, how you can listen to that monotonic BOM BOM BOM for hours? Was listening it for 5min, than i stopped, looked like the singer was leaving the band before they recorded this". I do not listen to goa a lot because those tippy acid lines don't give anything to me. Just some random melody, nothing really interesting... o wait.. maybe it's vice versa... Maybe I don't give a shit BECAUSE i don't listen much to goa. ;)

Ok, got what you are after Think the reason why you miss the old Koxbox feel is that 'modern darkpsy' is not about trippy melodies at all. Kobox works a lot with arpeggios, acid lines, ect. If you compare that to the Arjuna track, he barely runs an ARP on that track at all, but he tries to create a groove/flow with synth modulation and fx effects. It's a different approach to build a track, and so it also sounds different

go change your name to "the nazi constrictor" and spread your shit comments somewhere else pls

So what is modern day darkpsy to you? If I hear darkpsy, Pravati rec is the first thing i think off.. and their recently released stuff is groovy as hell. Like lots of random fm synth shots, but groovy bass. @Padmapani Think you missed my point on darkpsy if you strongly disagree with my post. Ofc goa produces will also tune their synth sounds, but the focus is different. As you say it on your own, you don't care about those random piercing noises, but the darkpsy guy will do. On the other hand the darkie will not care about those random note melodies (aka ARP), which are essential to goa. As you say, it's a matter of perspective

So you'r a dark goa guy?

As said already, dark/nightime oriented stuff is way more focused on fx effects / synth sound design, then other "low-bpm" stuff. On non-dark goa/prog/fullon there are usually lots of music elements in it like choords, melodies, arpeggios, ... Dark psy producers usually prefer to not spend a lot of time on this, but use it to tune synths and fx. It's much more experimental. While the goa producer might approach his track like a classic real-instrument musician (thinking about scales, progressions, melodies, ect), the dark producer might approach it more like a researcher. Goa-guy will rather load a nice-sounding preset into the synth and spend time to think about what to play on that synth. The dark-guy will never ever load a preset from factory bank and just play on it, he will spend the time to tune that preset so that it sounds special, but afterwards probably just play the same note on that synth over and over again. The experimental approach makes it hard and easy at the same time, to create dark psy. If you just wanna produce a track so that you can say "i'm a producer!!", but you give a shit about if it sounds like you want it to be... it is really easy. Because its experimental by definition, nobody will bother you if do a track which has a bassline, some drums and an ugly-noizzzze-shred lead that randomly modulates across the whole track. Doing such a track is a no-brainer and could indeed by done some darkpsy-production-robot. It is getting hard tough if you have a clear idea of what you want to achieve. Getting some random dark-ish sounds out of a synth is really really easy. Getting exactly that dark-ish sound which you want to have, is quite hard. And about this whole.. "mimimi computers killed the produder-star" story: I don't see anything bad at all on the fact that today everyone with a PC and 2 speakers can produce electronic music. Actually I think one of best things that ever happend to music. Up not now you had to spend years on learning how to play an instrument. Hours and hours of practice, just learning handicraft, before you could even think about being creative. This has been largely removed by PCs & DAWs, which is a great thing imho. It enables everyone which feels like he wants to try making music, to just do it, without the need of learning an instrument for years. Ofc overall quality level will go down if have you tons hobbyist-procuders that have no clue about music, but only about PCs -- but nobody forces someone to listen to a specific track and/or artist. If you don't like those homebrew hobbyist-procuder tracks, just don't listen to it, but stick with your well known list of high-polish professional-producers. If you are a producer that feels like all those hobbyist have-no-clue-just-pushin-buttons guys are a threat to you and you need to shitstorm them at all cost... I can only say: get over it. If you produce quality music, those ppl will be no threat to you. If you produce crap music, stop producing, or stop taking it that serious.