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I guess that was like 25 Euros for a Peak Rec. "Chilling Goddess" ... I wanted to support the store (because I knew they were blowing outta the last hole) and it was a travel souvenir (that holds more value than some shitty accessoire), so I bought it. Actually I did that same thing on two other travels aswell with Filteria- Sky Input and Makyo - Swara Mandala. The price was about the same ... can't remember for which one I payed most... Yeah, they were ordinary CDs I could just have gotten off the net. No rarities. The price was high, but since I bought them on travels, the good memories that come with them are worth far more than the overprice and on top of that I feel good because I supported the local community

Thanks for finally demystifying this ... I too have thought that I maybe know the melody from somewhere ... never would have crossed the bridge to Push though... Yeah, I kinda have the same feeling about it. Still hope the album will be great though...

Nanites and replicators, huh? Your whole theory is interesting, but wouldn't the replication of objects actually void us of our reason to live? If eveything was available for free and you really could have every object you wanted freely, wouldn't that render billions of people without work, without anything they can do, without goals to achieve and such? Because don't forget, work is actually a man's reason to live ... you got no work and no goals, you become depressed and empty (not in some days, but after a few months!). However, that's actually too far offtopic already... Yeah, a matter of priorities indeed. I chose getting drunk with mates in some shady bar as my priority And I think if there was no p2p it wouldn't have been different! I just wouldn't be a big fan of psy music right now ... I would have become one of these "customers you can't lose" because I wouldn't have become a customer! So whatever money you put into me (by providing me with free p2p releases), now looking back it was good because there was no money to lose for anybody back then because I'd not have spent a cent on anything ... and now I do buy stuff and do bring money! Aha, interesting. Who's doing that? I think if a label is doing it, I respect it (and go get the thing illegally) ... because it's apparently supported by the label! That's good! Everybody involved gets their money and they provide it for free. Good That's actually a leading example how I imagine a perfectly working scene! Everybody is happy and satisfied, there's enough money AND the release is free! Around here it's about the same. 3 beers in a bar = 1 CD incl shipping. And if you go in the more expensive bars it's 2 beers = 1 CD. And never go into a restaurant or anywhere, that's going to cost you a fortune! Until recently I probably washed 8 CDs a month down my throat... I remember a class meeting in a restaurant two months ago .. and I went there with like 20 Euros and said "I'm not going to eat anything, have maybe two beers and go home with 10 Euros" ... yeah, haha, I drank all the 20 down and still wanted more and cursed that I had not more. Lol! That was 2 CDs I drank down there in one evening, with no food! I could easily have made that 5 CDs, with food It's just too freakin' expensive! Everything!

Dude, read what I wrote in that thread now, hope that explains why I don't like those comments... <edit> before it gets deleted too soon, here is what I wrote: </edit> chill, I'm confident it will get cleaned up. and about this thread, yeah, I think it's a kinda failure ... because it's far too chaotic...

it is! look at the last post in that thread

Can't put it better myself Respect!

Okay, I see. So a shitty stick might be what people like me get in the end... But the transition won't be that easy. Until the mainstream changes there'll still be some time. Because we are talking about mainstream here, hundreds and thousands of people ... they sure won't switch from CD to ShittyStick from one day to the other! That's going to be a long process ... and at the moment the industry is fiddling around with SlotMusic crap and ShitSticks, both formats not easily acceptable for CD lovers! There's still plenty of time. And CDs will be playable most likely forever ... BluRay can still play CDs ... and it must be like that because there were millions and billions of these things sold, they can't just ditch the players, lots of people would be angry... I have an idea though: I'll just switch back to vinyl if the CD was done! Because vinyl customer base is actually growing these days again

this is so damn true... very few people actually know about the music ... most talks on parties about this subject are rather shallow... And YSE is a quite commersial psytrance label ... their stuff is sold at local big electronic markets here (WalMart-style) ... this accessibility might be one of the secrets why they sell so much that they can afford to push out 200+ releases...

yes, exactly ... that's the reasons why I'd never get an abo ... this thing looks and feel like a flyer ... and it almost never tells me things I don't know already (what will be in the current issue ... an Atmos promo text review? dooooh!)... the thing with the magazine is a nice idea, but I fear it doesn't stand ground.

nah, I never think like that ... already because I have phases and keep redefining my genre borders every now and then ... today I like stuff I'd have despised when it was released ... so no regrets, just good music

Don't know if it comforts you, but that was the link I was going to provide ... but people were already faster than me

Hey, I wanted to check that one out and among their friends are Celluloid Dmage! I found out about Celluloid Dmage already more than a year ago, but then totally forgot about them! But they're absolutely great Finnish artists -- and way underrated! They are not chill, but not driving upbeat either ... and the atmosphere is warm and nice and light in their music

Yep, this is true for me aswell ... my HiFi is in the other room. And nemo, DON'T come with the music over LAN solution now, please! This is cocky as I'd need to buy the HiFi device AND a decent Access Point since I don't want a LAN cable through the flat and my access point is cheap and fucky and cancels connections every now and then (or restarts) and I would get a hysterical seizure if I'd have a single glitch in the sound! Money AND nerves is just too much to invest for me. But what could that physical format be according to you, somebody who has professionally to do with such things? That's what interests me! What are the requirements for the format? Or does the solution already exist in the form of these "cloud music libraries"? I don't think so. Because in that case I could start DoS attacks all around me if I wanted to ... mainly to keep a certain annoying neighbour from playing his happy hardcore shit in the evenings and going on my nerves. Hey, actually that's a good idea! Cloud music libraries, I'm waiting for you -- and for peace in my flat That was actually well put. I'll never (NEVER) buy digital files, I want physical! I'll only buy digital if there were exclusive digital releases that are not available the illegal way! Wait, that's already the case! And I'm STILL not buying! HA! Agree 100,000% The commercial artists, they make so big heaps of money I actually find it wrong to get it legally (like, "that money I throw into the throat of the big giant music industry would be better spent if I donated it to Medecins Sans Frontiers") and that it is my DUTY to get the stuff illegally if I wanted it (and that "if I wanted it" is the big remark here, because I don't want 99% of their crap output ... already get hysterical and in vomitory mood when I have to listen to this utterly horrible crap when going into a shopping mall). Or I just listen on youtube. Which I do most of the time. Anyway, guys... What PHYSICAL format would you say is better than CompactStick, except CD?

that's what I have metal for

The concept is not new ... Trancemaster had a "goa" compilation already in 1992... But no matter what they try, I guess psytrance will always be a niche market. This music is just not mentally accessible enough for most average house and trance listeners... And we should even be thankful that they are attempting to try making it more popular, because our labels can always need more sales

Damn it Lemmi, you nailed it! The old Thunderdome were like that indeed! The last song is from Thunderdome 23 (Hardcore Rules The World)! I even remember that one! I can't believe I liked this shit! I didn't buy a CD, but I remember listening to them a lot at the store... Oh damn... And I thought Future Trance was my only sin Oh well, I was young ... as a teenager I listened to a lot of shit. In 1999 -- that was the time Thunderdome 23 came out -- I was 14 No, seriously though, I now think it's crap and it makes me wonder I liked that. It does not trigger any memories though. So I'll just steer clear of this now and declare it pure vomit material

Arab-eeehsque? *cough cough* bad, bad.. Naaah... But actually it's true. I have been conditioned like that! Downloads ought to be free, I never payed for a download ever in my life! Only physical media cost money ... non-physical media ought to be free! At least that's how my mind is conditioned. Paying for downloads ... feels cocky to me. Yeah, it does, I can't do anything against it! I'd feel like a cock shopping for digital downloads ... I'd freakin' get it off p2p ... and I don't care about lossless! Only buying CDs is buying music for me ... yeah, really, I kinda want to have something physical in my hands, something to touch, to see and feel where my money went! The rest is some unserious shit. Yeah, that's the right term! When I buy a release on CD, I feel like I take it serious, I invest money to have this in physical form and not only in cocky digital! And when I have a release only in digital form, with nothing to touch, nothing to grab, nothing to see, read, feel, even smell if I felt like it ... then it doesn't feel serious to me! Only unserious releases, stuff that I don't really care about, that's what I have in digital form only! I have some albums lying around here that I didn't even listen to ... because they're digital, I don't care about digital and I also don't care about these releases! And I'm sorry, that's how I'm conditioned and that's how I feel about it, I can't do anything against it and as long as there are physical media to buy and listen to -- and there are lots -- I'll buy them physically! That's how it is. You can call me cocky, but it won't change this, I just don't feel comfortable with paying for digital downloads...

Sounds like a good intention, but I bet it would end up hyping just the newest fullon killargh artists. Not to mention three full page ads about the new fancy CompactSticks, financed by Psyshop Summa summarum: I bet it would be of too little interest for me. Maybe there'd be a proggy section, but the artists and releases I really care about would be featured just in a niche. Not to mention that there aren't that many... Ergo: if you brought one out, I'd seek for free issues on Parties, but I'd not buy one. Just the way I do it with every electronic music magazine...

I don't even try to keep up. I've got my pool of preferred artists, with those few I keep up ... and from time to time I take a peek across the borders of my well-known music territory and maybe discover something new. That's my way of "keeping up". And when some release is good, people talk about it anyway and when I hear of it, I check out samples or something ... just to know how it sounds. That way I somewhat keep up and know what's hot these days... I don't care too much of keeping up though. Better to discover an old but good release than to discover a new but bad one

Ummm ... there already is Revolve Magazine: http://www.revolvemagazine.co.uk/ ... and it's not free... Doesn't seem to be a hit though. I have three issues ... and read some articles in them, but I'm not very interested... And for german speakers there's the Mushroom (because its "international versions" are a cruel joke). This one I have more issues and also read a bit ... I sometimes get it for free on parties... I would not pay for a magazine though. The magazines don't really cover what I'm interested in ... just one or two interesting articles in an issue is not a reason to buy. That's what I have this Psynews forum for ... to get latest info what's hot in the scene and have a chat about it I also like metal and would never buy a magazine. The latest infos and stuff can also be found in label catalogues ... a friend of mine gets those, especially the Napalm Records one is good. That's what the psy scene would need: label catalogues! But our labels are too small

Kraftwerk - The Man Machine Not exactly psy, but the addictive flanger on the vibrating synth line is what I didn't get out of my head today! Even more funny because I was at the doc today and such ... lots of medicinal thinking about man and machine in some way... Definitely the track of the day!

Yeah, Shiva Chandra is great ... the new stuff isn't appreciated by that many anymore though. I didn't like it a lot aswell some time ago (especially the recent output), but I got to see it needs time to grow and now I love it But if you dig a little, you'll find some threads ... also one about Prime Time Plastix (I remember that one). Shiva Chandra caused some discussion by venturing away from oldschool into his characteristic regular style that was appreciated by some and disliked by some. But now he ventures into minimal electro territories anyway, away from psy...

I absoultely agree ... I can't stand it either. I don't quite get the fascination of it ... "poum, poum, poum, poum..." the concept is just too retarded to waste a second thought about IMO. I don't get why so many people can like this. Even hardcore is better and I freckin' HATE hardcore! Although I admit I kinda liked some Thunderdome back in the days. But I don't see anything parallel between this stuff and that stuff

Off the top of my head, no particular order: Atmos - 46Daz Shiva Chandra - Pieces (also "Piece S") Anthony Rother - My Name Is Telekraft Agent 17 & DJ Bakke - Purple Sparks Audiomatrixx - Smooth & Present Eat Static - Lo-Ride Sloucher Ticon - Models on Cocaine Rockets & Ponies - Chinese Massage Human Blue - Lone Ranger oh and as a little non-psy honorable mention bonus: Korpiklaani - Keep on Galloping

Yep, me too... Only got one chill album this year (Eat Static) ... and whilst that one isn't awful I still didn't like it so much to mention it in a toplist. But I bet in some months I'll get the Distant System one and will see that it's super great