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Well my first album was RA - Earthcall and then Artha - Dream Telepathy, before that I labelled the album Loud - 5 Billion Stars as Goa. I didn't listen to any old school until about 2-3 years into my experience and didn't like it until one special night with me and Hallucinogen. How about that for credentials? There are pretty big differences between the two. But I think we already know what they are. Old school had a sense of play about where you can almost feel the artists on the other side of the track. The good albums certainly feel like they come from artists with a broader musical range who loop A LOT LESS, probably due to hardware. The tracks have quirks and more subtle changes that are a result of live knob twisting and all that. The looping that does go on gets tweaked so it doesn't sound so same same. Also the tracks have room to move, much more space in oldschool. HOWEVER, Kick drums are often weak and even if a good melody is present, having starting from heavily layered music I miss the craziness and extra psychedelia present in Neogoa layers. Some Old school blows my mind and I love how nothing is placed in a track without a purpose, but the real eargasms, increased heart rates and jumping around comes from Neogoa. While I hear the creative genius behind the classic old school albums, I get far more lost within modern classics.

Wow there is some fuuun stuff happening in here! This thread has been so goooood, even if to just remind me some tracks i have forgotten haha.. Also, I never heard Quazar before! I don't know how but yeah, never.. and it just blew my mind! As for the original topic.. So hard to pinpoint as most of you already worked out, but Ethereal/BPC/Synsun must be some of the first and well Filteria is his own thing but he gave it that huge kickstart of energy at a perfect time.

It's just evolution of a certain music style... don't think there's a point where you'd be able to pinpoint an oldschool track from a "neogoa" one precisely. Analog vs. digital may be the factor that gave this genre a certain leap into something new though.

why so grumpy paul this is all a friendly discussion about music and genre definitions

this was such an honor and treat to have worked with such a great track =) and the best of luck to you in your endeavours.

So this is basically your way of taking "revenge" on me. Oh how lovely.

I still absolutely refuse to accept "NeoGoa" (especially with that capitalisation) as a genre name. You can try to convince me otherwise but you'll fail. To me it's all Goa Trance. Period. And as for "the first newschool track", it's exactly as difficult to define as "the first goa trance track". There was a bit of fluctuation around the turn of the millennium. Off the top of my head, the Ra / Electron Wave / Dimension 5 trinity comes to mind, and also Tranceform Records with Blissful Moments / Ethereal / Ypsilon 5. Astral Projection's Amen isn't really oldschool either. Filteria was among them too but I don't hold him in nearly as high regard as most of the scene seems to.

Haven't had the time to properly check it yet, but if the Soundcloud wavefom is anything to go by, I'm pretty sure Trump could keep a few people out of his country with such a brick-walled thing. edit: holy shit it has vocals.

^ that is one nice reply Tsotsi, and a lot of good posts in here about the subject in general. So SynSUN, they won the spot? That is pretty cool, ha, who would have known. Cool for them. What an honour to be pulled up like that all the way in 2019 Or will the sole OT spot go to another artist, another track? Didn't the "Old is Gold" Goatrance releases contain some of the very first NewSchool Goatrance also?

it hurts my precious ears

I would find very interesting the comments and thoughts of someone younger than us Someone that grew up with the NeoGoa and later found out about the oldschool Goa. See if they think there are differences and if yes what which exactly.

Fantastic influenced art-work, very cool music. Kudos and congrats with your <1 <2 <3 <4th year::)