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That should fix it, also make sure you're using the sampler and not an audio clip.

This is true, I'm aware of that too If you notice much of these tracks have a huge amount of melodies and melody variations in them rather than sticking to one "anthem" that would make the song more memorable. This is because I'm still largely practicing and improving my experience both in composition and production. I would love to score a release on a compilation, but I believe I have much much more to improve before I can be confident in my music. Right now I'm working an a 100% darkpsy track to polish up my production skills. I've never made darkpsy before and this is the first time I'm doing this but its sounding wonderful. For me its a test to see how well I can translate an idea into music, especially music that I've never done before. Its sounding amazing so far and in my opinion will fit with any other darkpsy track if you hear them back to back, and is stylized enough to sound original (I hope) to Mindcrawlers.... Derango inspires me way too much, I might be borowing some of their elements You can check out a 3 minute clip of the work in progress right here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LNKYT2UN (this is still FL6) I'm abit skeptical about suntrip since my music is not oldschool goa, it simply is reminiscant about oldschool goa, as you say its got that modern production and goa melodies. With my music, the idea I'm toying with is that its a merge of modern psytrance and oldschool goa - psygoa, the sound and format should be right at home with full-on lovers but the energy and themes should fit perfectly with goa-fans (like myself)... however there is much more to do and I haven't yet produced any psygoa killers to introduce the style to people - as I say, I am still practicing and improving Before I contact any labels I want to be confident in my production and style. It was only 6 months ago when I was on these forums showing people an "intense oldschool goa track" from when I was producing solo as synogen, and I got flamed to hell because it sucked

I don't think you'd wanna hear it that much I spent about as much time on it as NHJO spent on his to make a point that NHJO spends about 5 minutes on his music.... but in rapidshare you just have to click where it says free, then enter the letters it asks you to enter and click download after you wait a 15 seconds or so

You bring up something interesting that I can relate to... Last summer I had the opportunity to join a drum circle started by some jamaicans and a few reggae guys from the reggae festival I was at (Vermont Roots 2005), there I experienced what I think is the first real "trance" experience I've had, I've thought I felt trance off dancefloor music on certain occasions but this just blew the top off that. It was a drum circle, people were just gathered around a fire in the middle of the night by the tents and they decided to drum. The jamaicans were quite good and settup the rythm for everyone and slowly other people would hear the music and come by, take out some bongos, get a keg and a drumstick, whistle, whatever, you could make any sound to join in. But it quickly became AMAZING. Being a drum/rythm enthusiast myself I couldn't resist joining in, I had nothing but I quickly found two sticks on the ground and started hammering away at a nearby log. There is not much I can relay about this other than describe it in words, but for 4 hours there was non-stop drumming, everything ceiced to exist besides the rythm people were making and how they would evolve it around themselves. It was amazing how the group would compose such amazing music right there simply by listening to a rythm and then plugging in their own sound to it... After a while when the music was really sounding beyond anything I've ever heard before...12 people drumming, each their own instrument, and other people adding things like a guitar or harmonica or even whistling with their mouth for the sheer joy of adding something to the experience... The connection and the sheer feeling of being connected with the other drummers was to the point where as you drum your part in the circle, when you were drumming away you feel as if you have 20 arms because you are so syncronized and....in-trance with the group, you can feel every sound and movement each of the other people will make you and you can compose your own part to add to it, and most spectacular of all was how the music actually sounded like music, there would be songs and the circle itself would naturally go into other songs and rythms, not from one person changing the rythm but everyone simultaneously being connected. These were completely random people too by the way, I've never met them and couldn't hardly see any of their faces because of the darkness and the dim campfire... For 4 hours this went on until by 5:00AM everyone was too tired out from a night of partying and drumming and went off to sleep. But that surpassed any trance experience I've ever had before, and indeed you cannot hear anything like that anywhere else.

How do you think the mainstream feels when they hear this way over the top bumbumbumbumbumbumswishbumbumbum darkpsy music we listen to There is some very good hip-hop out there that is still uses lyrics and words as an artform around a very good beat, but you will never ever hear find it on your own from the TV or Radio. And no they don't rap about money, drugs, or women but about political systems and oppression and society and whatever other topic there is that they feel they have to say something about. Rap is the new pop music. I think everyone wants to feel more hardcore and badass like they're from the streets so they look up to the latest fitty cent video to get their fix of bad-assedness. I mean look at how pop music was 10 years ago, it was all sing-song fluffy emotional stuff about love, its only logical it would swing to the opposite of that now. Me being from the united states where the Rap epidemic has been going on for the past 8 years ever since Eminem introduced it to white people by being white himself... I find it sadly hilarious when I hear rap from germany or russia, I can't believe that this has spread to the entire world. The funniest part is how every rap-pop song is exactly the same, I can literally tell you which rapper is copying who from the united states and which song he is ripping word for word but. So its pop music, nothing but, and since when has that music ever had any integrity or popularity outside of 15 year olds trying to fit in? G G G G G G G UNIT!

Mindcrawlers - Soulburn - 145 BPM Melodic Psytrance done under a modern production with a heavy influence on the trance part This one took a long time to make and was reworked twice, ultimately I'm really happy with the result, and it would be my first pure psytrance track. Stream or Download at Beatbiz or AcidPlanet Comments on techniques/production/overall are much appreciate, I try to improve with each new track I make.

Hey NHJO, I heard your psychedelic NHC track, I like the measure-length modulation used on the lead, very unique, I don't think I've ever heard anything like that before. Hope you don't mind, but I made a darkpsy techcore remix of it, I added some darkness to the bassline, much more killar now. http://rapidshare.de/files/12215190/Synoge...remix_.mp3.html Logic Pro 7, Juno alfa 1, Korg DW8000, Roland Jx8p and a sample for the kick and hat.

at level 60 do you get to remix skazi? I'd like to hear a NHJOHYENNROULTIMATETHUMPCORE remix of Hit and Run, you'd be really good at the bassline I think. Keep us posted man!

Ah, true about performance but just turn on the Classic theme and turn off all the useless graphical effects by right clicking my computer (on desktop) -> properties -> advanced -> performance. I don't have windows 2000 to make performance tests but I'm sure its faster than XP (by atleast a little though they are the same core), eitherway your processor and memory are more than capable of handling those settings, performance setback should be non-existing, you can minimize all your windows on the screen and they'd flash away in a split second and only use a couple of % of processing power. The reason performance is better is because they always make changes to their engine that manages processes so that they are run more efficiently, Vista is supposed to have plenty more of these fixes as well.

For starters, you will not get much of a difference between FL and Cubase for your music, other than you'll find FL easier to use. Once you learn that and feel comfortable with it you can explore other programs and use them, the basics you will learn from FL will apply to Cubase or Reason, they are the same or very similar, just a different interface. Alternatively theres also Orion (cross between FL and Reason, sorta) and Jeskolla Buzz, but your best bet would be FL-Studio, but you MUST get yourself some VSTi plugins, Albino, Muon Tau, TBL, there are plenty out there. FL's synths can make some quality sounds but require alot of work, Sytrus 2 is alright but only as support...that is untill you know how to work it better. FL + VSTi synths + presets and samples is all you need if you want to get started quickly.

Tweaked Tittage lol its tittacular I'll listen to it when you've got it up

FYI 2000 and XP are the same core, XP just has a few more features and new graphics, but they are the same thing. Windows Vista is about to come out, might've been better to wait for that. Good that you've got everything working though

Yeah, FL has that problem, because of the way the VSTi is made it can't record input from it... but that doesn't make it rubbish, you can still have fun with the two nobs in it and add your own FX and get some good stuff out of it, like in this song

Well...lets not forget psynews grew 2,500 members in the past year...

This stands out to me, I'm rather young in comparison to everyone here as well, and I've heard plenty of both oldschool goa and full-on and there is nothing that I see as unique or original in full-on as there is in goa. My attitude towards it is the same as everyones here. You don't need to listen to goa for 5 years to know that... my deal is that there is so much great GOA out there that I'm wondering why it ever went away, over here in California where I live, the small amount of goa parties going on at raves here, or I should say, the REAL psytrance parties going on are DJing oldschool goa more than track-after-track of the same full-on junk I'm hearing elsewhere. Now don't get me wrong, the scene over here is non-existant besides for a few die-hards and DJs striving to introduce it to people (E-Motion, hehe). It seems to me the commercialism and the sinking money boat of psytrance is trying to save itself by selling this one formula of full-on that seems to work out in parties today and is too afraid to hash into something new and original because people won't buy it. People've said it many times here, labels are releasing full-on because thats what sells, but what are you going to do when everyone else catches on and stops buying it (well, start making darkpsy but aside from that ) I mean I accept the fact how that sound is not going to come back, but I don't like how its not going to be tried again or evolved, a sound can die out but a style cannot. The energy and feeling shouldn't be limited to a few eastern melody scales and a TB-303

Oh, don't listen to my synogen stuff from Acidplanet, its terrible, I've been meaning to remove it lol.

Sure, comment on mastering, freqs, notes, volume, anything, I'm still very much expiramenting and trying very hard to make things better, though I'm rather quiet about my music until I feel I have something thats really worth showing. Until then, bash my music all you like! Mindcrawlers has some other tracks you can check out, I'd really appreciate good feedback http://www.beatbiz.net/artist.php?USERID=704 - you can try out adrenaline rush and goa coaster (alot of people liked goa coaster), although they are not 100% goa, adrenaline rush is my take on israeli psytrance from around 2000 and goa coaster is a blend of psytrance, darkpsy and goa as a production showcase for Mindcrawlers.

No, thats true What I meant is to not be turned off by something just because it doesn't sound like your favorite artist right now... alot of the beauty people find in older tracks is simply the feeling they can relate to when they first heard it, but if you're sitting at home on your computer at 1:00AM browsing for new music on DC++ and slightly drunk and you hear a new song for the first time... well needless to say you're not going to have that impression of wonder the first time you heard some other track for the first time. And theres that whole thing where you've gotta listen to a track a couple of times before it starts to sink in and you fall in love with it... Like when 1200 Mics first came out I thought their music was alright, mediocre at best, and now after a year or so and in comparison to even newer psy/full-on, I tried listening to 1200 mics again and they sounded great, even moreso when compared to other stuff I've been listening to now....Maybe with age things get better? Either way, I meant that lightly

Discussion in Radi's thread about finding a label here had abit of sidetracking going on, I think radi was looking for an "oldschool goa" label, such as those that released this music 5-10 years ago and heres what some people had to say on that Heres a few things people said that stood out for me: (Firstly, I wasn't aware that filteria and goasia were cheesy ) but yes, what did happen to those old labels, haven't they been fairly consistently releasing cheesy full on compilations or remixes since the past couple of years, are there any exceptions? From what I can collect, "oldschool" seems to be the most popular choice of psy music on these boards, with the exception of some unique release here and there, and mayhaps Suntrip in the eyes of some. So then, what does music that is Goa Trance mean Today? Is the music dead, is it still evolving, or did it merge into some form of psytrance and then get completely destroyed by skazi? What I want to know is what is going to happen to this amazing music. It seems when something new is put forth, everyone expects it to sound like it came out of 1997, the oldies esteem it as not having the energy goa had before, and the newbies see it as copying some older artists and not being original. How much originality are we allowing Goa to have before we completely shut off all horizons and not allow anything to be called goa unless it was produced 5 years ago. The music needs to evolve or else it dies out, and for that people need to be open to it evolving and accept new styles. You can't exactly blame the labels today for releasing full-on when that is the most popular music in the current generation of psy trancers. Thats what makes them money and thats what most parties are playing. So the discussion is on what Goa is today, if its dead what do you make of the struggling goa releases and the rather large amateur scene that is still in love with this music and giving it a chance to progress. What do you make of the current trend of psy and how long do you think it will be before it crashes and this music dies down completely or turns into the equivalent of what minimal 120bpm club trance is to progress trance in the late 90s. Particularly, I'm interested in a number of amateur and unreleased artists out there who clearly are not full-on, and clearly are calling themselves goa. I for one have been meddling in producing for about a year and a half and I miss the energy I would hear in "oldschool goa", in my own songs I tend to do my own style of modern production but try to maximize the freedom, energy, and trance that you would hear in goa trance, I'd like to call it goa but would people today still call it goa? If I can sample you two tracks, what do you think of them, or their style? (click to download) Wizard Magic Firebloom And then, what is the opinion on amateurs who are calling themselves goa or newschool goa such as Infinite Dimensions, Alienated Buddha, Lost Budda (who had a release with Suntrip) , Message to Earth, PsyGoa, Halosian, or myself Mindcrawlers - not to mention plenty of other artists who have been released or are at other sites which I won't bother to showcase here... (if you're one of them and reading the list feel free to add yourself It would be nice if we could have some sort of list of these guys) Goa or wanabe goa. I guess it depends on what your definition of goa is and when you started listening to it. The more acute your definition of goa is, the less chance goa is going to get to change and progress itself. Discuss

Mindcrawlers & Infinite Dimensions - Wizard Magic - 150BPM Newschool Goa track. High quality production and heavy trance melodies all throughout. This is the Mindcrawlers remix of Infinite Dimension's Wizards track. Both tracks should be highly esteemed, enjoy the song fellow psynewsers Stream or Download at Acidplanet or Beatbiz More is on the way.

Lets fight AIDs with Trance Muzik!

Ug, I've heard those basslines a million times. Anyone want to make bets that Astral Projections new album Open Society is going to have the exact same basslines?

Hello everyone! Mindcrawlers is my psygoa project between myself and my friend Psyrius. We're working hard on pushing forward our style of goa trance highlighted by modern production and a psytrance atmosphere. We are unsigned and as so would very much like to contribute to this scene. If you are a label and would like to release us on a compilation or otherwise, contact us (mindcrawlers@gmail.com) We are very big on the oldschool goa sound as well as modern melodic psytrance. We'll post new tracks for you guys as we complete them here, starting off with... Firebloom - 144BPM, heavy oldschool influence all the way throughout the track - psy intro with loads of FX melts into a n oldschool goa groove, climbing into a spiritual trance trip in the middle and at 7:00 is a part done in tribute to MFG, and then getting all topped of with a euphoric ending. Stream or Download at Acidplanet or Beatbiz

Nice, I didn't know about that, I always did it another way yet equally easy, FL has so many ways of doing things. I just hit record and automate to my desire and then if I want to tidy it up I go to the file browser (f8 if its not open) -> current project -> Automation, then find the pattern name with the automation you recorded open it and edit it as you please. To do LFOs and such click Tools (2nd button from left) and click LFO and set it up however you like.

I know why it makes you feel you're outside on a sun filled summer day, I bet that there was a time when you first heard those tracks and you really liked them and you listened to them alot, and you happened to do so outside on a summer day. Fast forward in time and listen to the track again and it'll remind you of summer. I get this alot with music, usually the feelings that a track will paint for me are a mesh of how i felt when I first heard the tracks, how I feel when I usually hear the track, what I think of when I hear the track, and what places I've been while hearing the track. For example Astral Projection's Chaos vividly remind me of 1) this feeling of scale 2) walking, and 3)being alone ontop of these very cool mountains. Thats because when I was hiking I was listening to that track and it made an impact on me at that moment. Other tracks will inspire emotions that I can relate to or connect to with feelings I've had before, typically alot of the spiritual goa tracks will do this for me while the more dance oriented psytrance will remind me of locations. Still other times If I hear a really amazing track that I really like (Horrogram) that I've never heard before, it might introduce a new feeling to me which I can revisit each time I hear the song. So to each different person music will create a different feeling based on what they can relate to. You say LSD by Hallucinogen reminds you of sunshine in the summer, to me it reminds me of darkness and ovewelmingly sad yet beautiful feelings.