Strifer

a contest would be great.... if it happened. Whatever it is, "best producer"..."CD compilation"...etc...it will be cool.

damn you'd need good speakers to really reproduce this song, especially the bass, also since this is at 96 kbps... Sounds like a bunch of different melodies playing randomly together, but I can sort of see that song in there....

cubase requires a hefty comp tho, I suggest you get some nice studio monitors, with those you can really perfect your mixes.. anyway, on to the song, dark yes, but so is a ton of psy out there that isn't labeled dark, in my opinion at least. The one note bassline doesn't bother me, I actually like listening to this kind every now and then, it has a different vibe to it, hypnotic..not necessarily repetive, because the bassline eventually seeps into the background, and the notes change, and sometimes you hear it has one low bass tone, or sometimes as several notes. But enough about that, I feel that song is going in a good direction, but could use with some parts to make it stand out from the crowd, you have the base, the foundation, now you have to build upon it so that people can tell it's something different. gl man

Aliens Aliens, is that a therimen I hear in the background...? lol if it is, that's awesome. Anyways, on to the song, you have ideas, but you have still yet to arrange them in a good way so that it isn't all a jumbled mess of sounds. A lot of your melodies sound out of tune, and the vocal clips, while as excellent as they are, just don't seem to be placed in the right parts. Also, try replacing the snare that hits on every other beat with a hi hat. This is the stage were everything gets sorted out, so gl man

thnx man, that was one problem I had, arranging all the different ideas... glad you liked it

maybe listen to this? Thought Bubbles tell me if you like it or if it's what you're looking for

the song is called mixture Stream: http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=2323915&q=Hi Download: http://www.bk-recordings.com/public/bkm1/strifer/Mixture.mp3 Tell me what you guys think about this, I feel the mix might be too hard and loud for a psy/goa track, but I'm trying to explore new things here... thanks

hah, parts of this song reek of Infected Mushroom, bassline, beat, piano, voice synths, (4:47 seems very IM) but that's ok, cuz the song is very nice, and it's not like Infected's style is reproduced by millions of producers worldwide (unlike lots of psy out there), so you still have an original feeling to it. I didn't like the begining to much, but when the elements began to come together and form the song, it became a very nice listening experience. The mastering on this track is very nice... what monitors are you using? I've been meaning to get some good monitors to replace the cheap edirols I'm using, but I don't wanna fork more than $300

haven't heard all of junos music, but all I can say is, yes, they are something else...I praise almost any artist that can create their own sound but labyrinth, it had it's good moments, but the problem was, everything sounded too much like the soundtrack to an action movie (not just mona lisa and Navras), and for me that takes away a certain element of the music, it makes it seem as though the music was meant to be played with visuals, and when those visuals are gone, it becomes plain. I know, it's all psychological, some of the music on that CD is extremely well done, with some beautiful melodies and guitars, but this is just me. I still haven't listened to beyond the infinite tho, is that one of junos best albums?

you know, compared to other dance music in electronica, this style has some of the most emotional songs in it... I'd say trance music in genral is all about that... but, it's hard to formulate an opnion when my opnion constantly changes with whatever I'm listening to or looking at at the moment.

Wow, this is fukin great man... A lot of thanks for uploading these sets...definitly put a smile on my face, Can't wait to begin listening, I'll put down some feedback as well.

I would submit a track.......

A lot of things E.P. said earlier in this thread were very true. This psytrance scene, so far is turning out a lot of the same music, because it's such a small genre, there's not much to explore, the genre has to be expanded, become something big that doesn't just involve the 4/4 beat. A lot of this music sounds exactly the same, and I really mean that. Pick two random songs from two random compliation CDs and I can pretty much gauruntee they will sound very similar. All the basslines are the same, fxs the same, and many melodies the same as well. The genre must expand, but it's hard because to all the newcomers who should carry the music feel that it sounds incredible, different, great, but to all the oldtimers it's the same old same old. W/e nothing you can do about, it's a global thing and is left purely up to luck. At the moment I'm experimenting with psytrance music and trying to create a new sound, a new element, hopefully I'll stumble upon something great. edit: like, imagine the incredible distorted and growling basslines of dark Drum and Bass mixed with the psytrance sound, would be something great. Obviously it would serve a different purpose, but the sound would be very different.

Yea, I see a big disconnect here, but it looks like it's been sorted out mostly. goa, psytrance for me delivers hypnotic feelings, it's meant to dance to, to get lost in, a sort of hypnotic frenzy with odd fx and great melodies, and with it's own assortment of strange vocal samples. I feel all sorts of feelings from it, but only at the level that dance music can give you. now you may say goa and psytrance isn't complex or filled with the full spectrum of feelings and emotions, and I definitly agree with you, but..... it does it's job, and it does it well. There's plenty of music out there to satisfy what you want, and in the end, you only do what makes you happy

hahahahaha I was just about to say the same thing.

man, shpongle to me is amazing, I haven't heard much music that combines so many layers and textures to create an ever evolving sound. His first CD is more enjoyable to me because the second ventures off into more of a world beat kinda sound, but some of the tracks are crazy in the 2nd CD, the ones that blend vastly different styles together to create a real psychedellic sound, like salsa into some flute music with trance synths playing at the same time...

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Ahhhh that's awesome, I remember dling a song called zillion a while back, but I didn't know the name of the artist (all it said was Mach, but I'm not sure if that's a real person). It was an awesome song, and now I see it in this CD. If it's the same one I'm thinking about then the CD is really good.

clockwork orange is definitly one of the coolest films, my personal favorite... as for matrix 3...that's definitly not better than 99% or 80% or even 70% of the movies out there. Yes, it has incredible effects, but that's it. The first one was incredible because they brought a whole new idea of bullet time to the mass, and we ate it up like crazy, but after that, special effects are what carried the movies. They're very fun to watch once in a while, but they don't contain the same magnitude of greatness as other films. Requiem for a dream, for example, has just as much dramatic tension as the matrix, if not more, and there are no special effects...just a downward spiraling tale of addiction. just my two cents... o yea, and navaros is a greeat track

Maaan I could make so many great samples for psytrance if my voice didn't sound so damn stupid... what I really like is when the sample really embodies the music that plays after it, like, "it has a certain hypnotic effect" and then comes some crazy synth voice... that's from mumbojumbo - mysterons I think... and the really long ones, like in shpongle and hallucinogen tracks, as long as it seems as though the clip was meant to be played in the song, and doesn't sound like some randomly pasted audio clip...

SFX was a side project of astral projection? Never knew that, I have that CD but I wasn't sure cuz it was from bit torrent and the title was SFX astral projection or something... Good CD tho, more trancey

Well you gotta wonder, will sound and melodies in music ever reach a limit? Electronic music may be able to go only so far, until there is one point when it's all been done before, or it could go on forever, opening new doors in sound. I think psytrance, and most other forms of electronic music will eventually evolve to incorporate the element that it misses from music done with live instruments. Like, synths will evolve to make it easier to create sounds that have the complex charateristics and tonality of intstruments like guitars. I'm not saying they will sound like them, but they will have the same aspects of a guitar or any other instrument. When you pluck a guitar string you get a resonant full sound from the vibration of the string that changes, and you can change the sound depending on how you play. You can slide on the strings, you can slap them..etc.. A lot of electronic music of the past had sounds that were very simple and dry. As time progressed they got more complex and elaborate. However, there is still a lot to explore until you get to the stage when every electronic sound you make could be considered a new instrument such as the trombone or the flute since they are just as complex and changing in sound. Just my two cents...

someday I'll be a l337 pro, just watch...

I haven't heard nearly as much psytrance as most of ppl on this board, but for me, Astral Projection - Still on mars Shpongle - Shpongle falls, behind closed eyelids, My head feels like a frisbee, Star shpongled banner, as the night turned to day Eat Static - a lot of their music, can't remember much of the names, but from CDs like implant and science of the gods Etnica - Mind altering drugs Space Tribe - Out there in the universe and a lot of music from Aphex Twin (the richard d. james album) I find quite psychadellic and thought inducing, even tho he is not labeled as psytrance.

Exactly man, great words of advice right there. Cept for me I started with jeskola buzz and then reason, and I'm still using reason after almost 2 years, for the simple fact Cubase and the other pro programs are still too complicated. The problem is, you gotta know the concept, and if u don't know the concept for progs like Cubase ur screwed. That's why I like reason, very simple, easy to get into. YOu just open it and start making sound, like an instrument. But that's where it's weakness lies too...soon ur gonna want the stuff that every other producer is using, plug in capabilites, recording...etc..etc. Also, the sound on reason may be very simple and puny compared to other progs out there, but....you can still achieve the same level of sound, it just requires more work (like hooking two malstroms and a scream to make a layered synth sound that The problem I have with reason, and it's a major problem, is that the choice of sounds are very narrow. You only have two synths, and while they're good, eventually u'll get tired of the same sound coming out. Reason seems to have a distinct sound, one that you can easily hear when you listen to a song made purely in it. I think that's why the big producers stay away from it.