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I think you should do a vocal cover of "Infected Mushroom - I Wish" You have the same soprano voice as Duvdev. With some autotune or even Infected Mushroom's Manipulator plugin, you could come really close to the original. Heck.. even better I think. Or just use a Roland V-Synth XT for the true elastic audio goodness. You could name it: AZ INFCTD MVSHYRMS PSY TEK TRNZ FT NHJHVH AZ XVER TIKTOK PSYKDLK DNCE

Yeah lots of possibilites, even more so since it seems the track in question is unreleased? So how do people know the full writing credits if it's unreleased? I would assume that CS knows Avi Algranati, since he has mastered one of their albums I saw on discogs. One of the newer ones from 2014 or so.

Refinement, Progression, Evolution. This is the true South Koreaoke spirit. b0m

Interesting points. Where do you think things are heading in todays Psytrance scene compared to back in 2016? Perhaps when Armin Van Buuren and the likes become bored with Psytrance, Goa Trance might become the next buzz word again? I wouldn't be suprised at all if Suntrip Records gets contacted by him in the future.(If he hasn't already). Or maybe Armin and them feel like they've got that base covered, since a lot of Psytrance is marketed as Goa Trance?

Well I wouldn't mind that, I think hardstyle has some really nice euphoric melodies, and memorable/clever intros and interesting production values. Perhaps the hardstyle thing with keychanges affecting even the kickdrum, as the kickdrum in hardstyle is essentially the bassline+kick at the same time. That could perhaps work within the psy/goa style who knows.

Yeah indeed, waves is an apt description. Soon enough people will be complaining about "too much cheesy melodies" again.

Well it's just history repeating I guess. The same thing happened with Goa Trance back in the day. It was a huge commercial success for some labels/artists. One might forget that, and think that Goa always was some kind of underground resistance movement. In middle school pretty much everyone had a copy of some Destination Goa, Goa Head or Distance to Goa compilation here in Sweden at least. Both guys and girls. Same with the Acid Flash compilations, and none were really into the scene or anything. Some older teens in college I knew about were though. Just like all the kids who purchased The Prodigy - Music For The Jilted Generation, weren't necessarily ravers.

Yes there's lots of things happening right now, the scene as we knew it is changing at a rapid pace. The crowd certainly is different now, gone are the people in Psy-attire. Atleast what I've seen, the majority are teens, which I suspect have either an inclination towards Techno/House or just attend the parties to listen to whatever weird music is playing. And not necessarily listening to this type of music in private or beeing particularly invested. It's pretty much the Tik Tok crowd attenting. Some I suspect beeing under 18, drawn to the illegal nature of these outdoor events. Where alcohol is sold to anyone, and drugs are offered openly by drug dealers who have realized the market value of said parties. This combination of youngsters and lots of drugs/alcohol I think has the potential to become politically toxic, once the society is back to normal(if ever) from the Corona outbreak. The focus of the police seems to be elsewhere for the moment. I didn't know about the phenomenon of Psytrance tracks getting shorter? That's certainly a clear sign of adapting a more mainstream-friendly structure, perhaps for the radio broadcasts. Only examples I knew about before was some Infected Mushroom tracks, but those were really more of synth pop tracks. So it made sense, when there is a verse/pre chorus/chorus/bridge type structure going on, that's the logical thing to do. Here is an example from the golden age of a radio/TV friendly edit/remix of a Goa Trance track, music video and all, broadcasted on one of the two big music channels in Sweden at the time ZTV, the other beeing MTV of course. So yeah we've perhaps come full circle now. It would've fitted even on ASOT with its commercial Trance aspects.

I bump this thread, because I think it's interesting to see how things have progressed since this thread was started. And I find that this thread touched very good on the state of Psytrance in 2016/2017, with some nice reflections from our dear forum members whom are all part of the scene in one way or another. So what's the latest development with regards to the mainstream EDM producers interest in Psytrance? Is there still a buzz? Or did it fade somewhat? I tend to think that perhaps the emergence of Techno as the new event sibling to Psytrance (at least here in Sweden). Has pushed Classic Goa and Neo Goa back somewhat. As I can't seem to find any events/venues playing Goa, which I would love to enjoy once more. Goa used to be the logical partner to Psytrance, but not anymore it seems. So what this basically means for me is that Goa has become like a rare special interest with very few people to share that interest with in Sweden. The active Swedish Goa producers seem to be very few as well. The few I know about are basically Filteria and Ethereal, and Ethereal doesn't seem to have released any new music in a while? Not since 2014 according to discogs. Which basically makes them an inactive project for the time beeing, except for the live show they were supposed to play at the now canceled 2020 Apsara Festival. So the natural thing then becomes to explore what's out there and and enjoy what's on offer. This weekend I attended a very nice outdoors event located in a forest, the Techno floor played Acid and Techno, and it was not bad at all, very hypnotic 303 grooves. Reminded me a lot of the music played at raves in the 90's in Sweden. The Psytrance floor was even more enthralling, with Twilight music and other styles fit for a night in the forest. I'm quite thankful that they didn't play some of the more dull Full-On styles touched upon in this thread(at least they didn't during the few hours I attended) like Vini Vici etc. But yeah I can understand the appeal, certainly for newcommers. As someone in this thread mentioned, I also believe that this more shallow commercial version of Psytrance can serve as an introduction, and a starting point for some deeper explorations of what the genre has to offer. At the end of the day I think what matters most to people is if the music works on the dancefloor, is it dance friendly? One thing I noted was that when switching back and forth between the Techno and the Psytrance floors, is that Psytrance seems to have an edge productionwise over Techno. There was just something much more refined about the very polished futuristic alien sound image of the Psytrance, compared to the more old school sounding nature of Techno. The Psytrance has a distinct clarity in the sound image. Perhaps this is what draws the commercial EDM producers to Psytrance? That there is something appealing about the very high production standards in Psytrance? Even when I compared the mixing quality of Psytrance to the regular Trance of the mid 2000's I found that the Psytrance seemed to be ahead a couple of years with regards to the perceived sound quality. The regular Trance at the time often sounded quite muddy in comparison. So I guess regular Trance might benefit from the production tricks learned from Psytrance. As a consequence of the convergence between the styles by ASOT and others. Perhaps this thread should've been named "A State of Psytrance"

Cool I like psy too, btw are there any particular styles now that has developed with a specific greek spin to em? Like for example how are the darker psy sounds from Greece?

So I went to an outdoors party tonight, and I'm a bit perplexed with regards to the styles they played. Is this Twillight or Dark-Psy? Or are the two terms interchangeable? https://streamable.com/vf6xxp https://streamable.com/lcqin Track-ID if possible

No probs, my bad that didn't really pay attention and inspect the youtube channel. Theres just so much stuff uploaded by randoms on youtube, that it's quite a messy platform for music certainly. No guarantee whatsoever for anything beeing what the track titles say. And as seems to be the case here, not even from artists themselves. Anyways my bet is on human error.

Well I agree but, it didn't connect really to the question of the threads topic. "Do you think psytrance newcomers find old school goa outdated?" We allready know that many of us on this forum are old school goa heads. And that Vini Vici is rather boring music.

Okey that sounds a bit weird indeed. Perhaps he uploaded the wrong mp3 from his p2p folder or something . In the DAT-era there floated lots of tracks with the wrong names. People can be messy sometimes. Only one who can really answer this is the artists I think. Try sending a PM to DJ Miko on youtube or facebook? And/or Space Cat (Avi Algranati). The track was uploaded 9 years ago, and there hasn't been much activity on the channel lately it seems. So yeah facebook is probably the best contact method. https://www.facebook.com/mikogindos.californiasunshine https://www.facebook.com/avialgranati.spacecat

Thanks much appreciated!

The cover art reminds me a bit of the style of the cover arts of VA-People Walk Funny, and Psysex-2020. But I didn't manage to find any info of this cover on discogs, only that the EP is mastered by Ido Ophir (Domestic). The artwork is original for sure.

I think it's time to name a new subgenre of psy trance, "Ghost Trance".

Great then so I don't need to feel stupid for having posted so much about it (Psynina).

Can someone point me to some essential Twillight music? Which really has defined the style. I wanna know how the bassline sounds etc. I don't think I've heard this style yet. Perhaps somewhat on Psysex-2020 album? Because I remember thinking it had some "Dark Psy" elements, but was told it was Twillight elements or something to that effect. I'm a bit out of the loop nowadays with regards to todays Psy Trance scene/Subgenres, I did listen more to Psy/Dark Psy/Prog and some South African psy etc around 2008 or so.

Very well written and a quality post for sure, this reminds us of of the gravity of the topic. I hope that the posts about the long-standing meme side of the psynina project, will not distract too much from the serious nature of the latest developments regarding this. Be sure to keep us updated, with how this unfolds.

Yeah I mean the thread start is a bit vague and not particularly well-anchored it seems. Some true substance would be if the actual artists or something had complained. But none have to my knowledge, so I don't really get what the issue is? I'm sure we would've heard something before, if there was anything fishy going on with these old tracks surely? And yeah without audio examples so we can atleast compare and hear what it is you want to convey. The thread ends up feeling a bit speculative. If it's regarding a remix work like goa constrictor says, well then It's case solved I guess? I think this thread is very good for things like this: https://www.psynews.org/forums/topic/49038-hmm-i-think-ive-heard-that-before/

Here is an old thread from 2005 here on psynews:

Just some random image from google I googled psynina, and the printscreen showed up, no clue about the context. Nor who took it/or when. I think it might've been from the isratrance thread. It seems from the printscreen that someone made a joke and changed their facebook name to psynina and changed their profile photo to her. And those comments are the reaction to this "practictal joke". Kinda wicked that the isratrance psynina thread spanned from 2005 to 2017 and reached 82 pages lol. A 12 year psy mystery drama. *updated* Yup photo/printscreen was from the isratrance forum: http://www.psytrance.pl/artist/psyNina/ The photo appears on this polish psytrance site as well.

So in the tutorial videos on Sugar Bytes youtube, they go over very briefly that you are able to more precisely control what specific notes you want affected by effects, for example tape stop. And while consulting the manual, the only thing it tells, is that you can control the synchroniztion of the plugin. "Via two modes, "in sync och with your DAW (HOST button) or started manually via the PLAY button. This button can also be triggered by MIDI or automation." So I obviously want to use option two and control the PLAY button via MIDI. So in their official video they just show briefly that he has set up a dedicatd MIDI-channel to control the Looperator plugin which is inserted on a separate audio or instrument channel. They don't explain the other steps on how to get this to work. Only thing I've deduced so far is that while right-clicking on the area with the the PLAY/HOST mode buttons, a small window with "Learn and Clear(Key: Any)" comes up. So how do I set this up to get it to work? I assume it involves some CC messages or something? My bet is that they don't go into more detail because it differs from DAW to DAW, I'm on Logic Pro X if anyone has made it work within that. The video in question from their youtube channel: