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Interesting, but honestly I often don´t notice such details. Also I only learned in recent years of some of the symbols like pyramids, all seeing eye and certain hand gestures. I just saw a pic in the newspaper with some "princess" from Sweden who made the horns symbol. Well that´s a normal metal gesture, but if she has no conection to metal it may be the illuminati/satan sign It is said most royal families are masons/illuminati. Blackmetal normally has most of this stuff, but I also learned that many bands give a shit about satan & co. They just use it cause it´s cool, fits the image and just belongs to this style. Most BM bands aren´t satanist anyway. But stuff on Ectoplazm ? No idea, guess I wouldn´t care if the sound is cool Also only recently learned how much stuff metal&goth bands draw from ancient times, like the Baphomet was a babylonian god (but evil I guess) or the Nephilim which were half human half alien giants in ancient / sumerian / persian writings. See for example: So these are harmless...... But some say the "stars" and "vips" are more dangerous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kPM8x1lfcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-54LNFDolc

Interesting, now "modern electronic music" is satanic too ? Seems they progressed from metal than The Illuminati are satanists, right ? It has connection to the freemasons and skull and bones etc. so far I gathered from severall sources..

@ Richpa: AHAB early stuff is king, I found the last one a bit lacking. But this artwork is great... other German band has also simmilar artwork I just forgot which it was. Will post it later Meanwhile some folk - music:

The name is more sarcastic I guess Cause it´s not that far from goa with some changes....

Oldskool elektro (I think would fit?)

Sounds cool old, and much 303ish stuff. However I grown tired of this style also don´t like the voice samples. However still very solid track 7/10, sadly a bit ruined by the cheese. Guess the stuff I post atm is more on the techy and darker side. Hope someone still likes it.

Would be good, cause I experienced some of the nervous effects Mr. LFO described above too "Stress" and/or boredom in my case.

Not vinyl fan anymore, so did not read article. What are the "dark sectrets" in short ?

IM´s coming to "fame", conclusion I think was a) Marketing Much live play (also in USA) c) Production skills which they have d) Luck

Well that Nirvana part was painful.... urg and some others too. Surprised this GMS guys are so popular, I found their stuff I heard mediocre which the footage above seems seems to confirm. I like some metallic sounding synths tho. What are they doing, just fading in and out tracks ? The guy on the right with the laptop seemed to watch videos

F U C K Apple.- couldn´t they at least make some last update for 5.51 which works on Vista/7/8 and 64bit ??????? No they wanted everyone to buy their stinkin macs even if 5.51 is perfectly capable and useable even today. *sigh* Now I need to install stinkin´Xp again just to make noise? Thanks USA capitalism... Logic was a German firm before and was well.

Dubstep & remixes of "Mainstream" ? More details of these ?

Uhm, sir I thought it is an ok track untill around 4:00 with obvious reason Track up to ca. 4:00 6/10, complete track 4/10. But this style is too "fast" for me anyway and not "fat" enough on bass/kick side.

ALL HAAAIIILLL best viking metal song:

EBM hit of old times: Old German workers song (anti war): Found a "dance" of this !

Thanks guys! Which would be the nearest 2-3 other bands to these ? Well if others have also questions re. styles, please post

Rings Of Saturn is nice, but Waayyy to technical for my taste. Rather like a mixture of tech and "normal" DM eg. How about good old esoteric deathdoom:

Cheesy and Flipper - I guess that is also what comes to my mind.... the "Flipper" sounds you describe is a good example and this is also something which put´s me off other goa/psy: high pitched and "cheesy" sounds.....compared to AP they had much better sounds, also bass is better in AP´s caase imho. Mahadeva one of the songs which got me in goa... apart from E.Unviverse, Men With No Name etc. But not IM I liked Prana also quite a bit, but it has lost on me, I guiess also cause of the "cheese" factor....But I admit that "pure" goa nowadays is quite boring to me. Strangely the progressive direction got not so "old" so fast like AP or IM....but I discovered that direction of course a bit later. I hated it first cause I thought it is more techno-ish...... ... still some AP´s are listenable compared to IM: I mean Mahadeva not really get´s old, right? Trust In Trance -> better than anything IM lol

Sure the show must be cool.Still interesting that even int the UK and USA they are so well received considering they don´t like German bands or lyrics generally. Even Kraftwerk made english versions of their songs.

? I know it´s old but don´t want to buy a Mac or another sequencer.-... Wanted to do some music again but found Logic would install but not run. I tried Win XP mod already. It says some error on XSkey.dll If no one has an idea I need to install XP as 2nd OS with Win7 64bit I guess ? There it worked fine before...

I had this Cd, but found only 2-3 songs very good, rest is "soso". Guess I sold it on ebay. Or still have it ? Need to check

Yeah some earlier songs are cool, was never a fan of em tho. However I must admit that even their newer stuff isn´t that bad. I mean not for me, cause it´s not my style really. But the production and some themes/melodies will appeal to general public too now. Then add a lot of marketing and voila you will be more popular. I bet you or I could do the same with enough marketing and some more commercial songs we could make.....well we could also hire an alias best would a hot guy ca. 25-30 and a hot girl ca. 20 as "alias" BTW: You need some production experience which IM surely can bring to the table, however if you have not just hire someone

Hi, I guess there are LOTS of bands that the "general" public never heard off. Even known metal bands. And metal is much more popular style than say psytrance or ebm. We could make an experiment and ask 50 random people on the street for electronic bands. Maybe some know Kraftwerk or more certainly Prodigy. But if you would name say Astral Projection or even Skinny Puppy or Front 242 which are in the eklectronic scene well known, I would bet most if any would know them Btw. I would also ask people here in forum which is the most popular trance or techno act ? Armin von Buren, Sven Väth ? No idea tbh

Howdie, can people post here songs (I guess only electronic or tech-trance ones) to question which genre it could be ? 2 old tracks I have no idea if this could be "psytrance" or "goa" the basics were probably ebm/elektro iirc. Thanks, I can identify mostly indus/ebm and some psytrance too if you have questions. Here the 2 "oldies" to identify...

Fresh from the press NEW Paradise Lost, quite cool !!! PS: Didn´t know metal is "other electronica" lol While we´re at darker sounds, here a coool German band (athmospheric blackmetal maybe as style?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGkbc5eumA