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Your thoughts on his opinion:? Edit, this guy has quite an audience, so it maybe worthwhile for you to read the comments and/or check some of his other videos: He has kind of a promo company as I understand it ...

Ooops has the Immortal pic scared the posters or was I too much "rumbling" LOL Well someone said he misses "Raw experimental sounds. " ..here is such a piece (not good mixed or really mastered, means "raw") I found this site "bandlab" which is to bring musicians together so they can work/remix tracks each other but I use it for now to store some older and "unreleased" stuff. https://www.bandlab.com/band/band7263596317214513/shades-64820bff-811e135f And here a minute snippet from one of the tracks I am working on... this went to a quite interesting sound I think, but I do not really know in what genre it would be or compare to which known band(s). Perhaps someone can help (you can also send me a pm) ? Thank you! (guess that is the problem with "own" style) https://www.bandlab.com/band/band7263596317214513/not-yet-named-7f8bacc0-6c046be5

I HAVE ABL2... plus "Rebirth" but I am really not into programming these things (step sequencer)... is there an easy tutorial for such sequencing ? If possible in German. I think ABL2 can sound good, just put external effects on it ...but I cannot get cool sequences out of it Want to try some ACID sounds even if only for 1 track. A shame that this section here in the forum seems quite quiet except the promo posters.

Whow, now this sounds interesting TERROR VOCALS! Hope I can hear examples of this in your preview... ok I thought we get something like Hocico or Suicide Commando. But these are mostly speech samples, thanks for the effort anyway

Just found, this is one guy from Hocico (Mexico) an example that old (1994) = often sounding better, the song is a bit monotone tho

Forgotten darkebm from Argentinia, it is quite simple but has a feeling:

Are you originally from Russia ? As I said if the day has 48 hours I can listen to all your uploads. And btw. only Immortal is Immortal: Just now, someone on YT who made a comment of "weird dark electronic music" liked my uploads, guess a good description.,..

Pretty sure many here are talented... But guess most make music firstly for themselves... in my case anyways, I do not like much newer "darkpsy" and also got bored of oldschool true goa (please do not hate on me for this), for some reason "progressive" stuff aged better for me (eg. Vibrasphere, Atmos etc.) probably because I did not like it first and listened more only later when it grew on me. I listened oldschool goa too much it seems (similar to certain metal classix, like Master Of Puppets or even , gosh, Reign In Blood). I do not mean eg. X-Dream, Hallucinogen, some MFG, Dark Soho or Blue Planet - this I still like very much for example - it "aged" better for some reason. Coming back to Goa in 2-3 months and see if it grows on me again... I try to make music in a cosmos "from (oldschool)Techno, (Psy)trance, Darkelectro, Industrial to Ambient.." Well not so much Ambient anymore, I have relentless "beats" now mostly, just cause I am also bored of pure Ambient stuff. For listening in the background to relax yeahh ok. Btw. if you can make the day 48 hours it would help for sure I like that you want to buy and support good music. Edit, a track I do not get tired of is for example Mahadeva (remember first listen and when the bassline kicks in, so cool)

@recursion loop Sure it moved a LOT since 2006 and I also listened to many YT vids or demos from newer software incl. the U-he etc stuff - heard not much that I REALLY would need or pay much for it (also it would not run on my old music pc anyway lol and I have now sadly lower income). A bit OT: I am in a "recording" forum also - and members would post their tracks and I understand most of them have many of these new tools/synths etc. The electronic stuff over there that many post sounds kind of "meh" to me. For what do they have all this stuff when it more often than not translates to cool tracks. Ok, my 2-3 main electronic genres are not en vogue there anyway. I heard perhaps 1 - 2 tracks in the psy direction there, and not a single(true) EBM/Indus one. This may be the reason I judge the tracks "low" because I have no connection to the genre (?). But honestly why can they not build better and huge sounds with these newer synths etc. Same for much new psytrance.. guess I could do simmilar stuff with my 2000-2005ish cheaper and old gear - now talking about sounddesign more than mixing at which these guys are better... I could do more with the CS2x I believe alone, but I have no time/patience at the moment to set up my 2 HW synths and the old mixer. I found one forum member who makes kind of dark techno, from which I liked a few tracks. He also has already 3 albums or so and is on a big Spotify playlist. He has a PHAT Virus "TI" (?) - however his leads go on my nerves a bit, they are overly distored and sound a bit "clipped" why "destroy" the Virus sound, probably in darktechno it must be so LOL. However there are 2-3 tracks over there in the hiphop and "early rap" category which sound better to me than the "hiphop" which is huge on YT or the German charts (rubbish). Also the metal guys there have some cool stuff. OT off Found some old recordings (single tracks from songs I started but never ended) which are named with CS2x and Reaktor (I had some kind of free Reaktor version) and this sounds quite good really...will try to re-use these or complete the songs and post them also here in the promo forum - when I got the time and learned better mixing etc.

Well it is a difference if we talk about recording gear or instruments ? Remember almost ALL vst synths are just analogue or DX7/FM etc. replicated. Possibly there are some out there which do this quite good. It is more a feeling,mood and user interface thing that hardware synths still do better than VSTs. Playing real keys and twisting real knobs has more "feeling" to it, especially if we talk about synths with MANY knobs like JP,Nord,Virus. I don´t know newer instruments at all, my "newest one" must be from 2005/06 (both for software and hardware). And btw. the Synth1 freeware vst was said to be a good "copy" of the Nord - I could compare and do think for "free" it is good, but never reaches a real Nordlead (2 in my case). Question is does the average listener care, I mean not experts like in this thread or those that make music themselves who might pick up the differences. Sorry for the long texts LOL Edit, Example: When I re-started and re-learn to make music 3 months ago I basically have only the old stuff and use only software for now. Eg. I have the Albino2 and this one has MANY presets many knobs and options etc. and I guess I found it quite good - however now I realize, it is often quite "thin" and the filters are not really that good. For basses however eg. the ES2 from Logic is more than good enough imo (when one learns how to eq/mix the bass which is more important). Here a link to Albino2 (German): https://www.amazona.de/test-linplug-albino-2/

Haha, interesting....BUT what is even more funny imho is when the producers using these hightech plugins synths are now asking how to get "oldschool" and "dirty" or "tape" or "analogue" sound (back). I find that funny because "back in the days" musicians were struggling to get the best sound. And now this not perfect or even noisy sound is "en vogue" again: And the plugin market is flooded with "analogue" emulations. But why pay much for these? I mean one can easily get some old analogue mixer 2nd hand for cheap and run everything through it incl. the added noise. And use cheapest cables and connectors. Or even record on actuall fuckin tape like int he 70ties LOL Which reminds me of Burzum, the guy from it asked specially for the cheapest microphone in the studio and used the worst amp he could find to record his early "blackmetal" stuff. And guess what it sounds pretty terrible...but it is apparently "KVLT" even if also the songwriting is no the best LOL The repetitions/loopings in his "metal" remind me of techno... I still have such an old small mixer (quite unknown firm, named Prosonic and it was on the cheaper side) and recently re-listened some old recording (from 2003/04 or so), damn some it has some lowfi noise floor. Mixed together in a track it does not get noticed much especially when some of it was in the "industrial" genre anyway where more or less noise is wanted. But listening to the isolated track I was quite astonished by the bad quality and that I actually used it for a song "back in the days" But no one complained in the genre about it, so...

Perhaps cause you missed my question above - you posted " annoying Rubber bass. I cant hear that "simple one line Bass" anymore." I asked for examples what you mean and to find out if more people could mean the same including myself... And yes, Sandman made some cool stuff, 3 - 4 of his tracks are among my fave psy/goa tracks (but this list is quite long and not easy to define)

One of the nicer DeMo cover versions (with female vox)

@Padmapani Well it seems Psytrance suffered a similar fate to Industrial/EBM... remember it was F242, Skinny Puppy; Neubauten, Die Krupps, Haujobb, Pr. Pitchfork etc. when you NOW enter industrial music in Youtube.. some ridiculous music and "cybergoth" dance videos show up and nothing of the top searches is really Industrial like above bands, but what is called now "aggrotech" which seems to be rave/hardstyle. Funny back in the "goth" days we would despise such music LOL And now it is "top" in this broken scene. The same is true for these tutorials there are almost nill for making music like Skinny Puppy... and the why is the same like Psytrance - the good and earlier stuff cannot simply be reproduced - so these tutorial makers shy away from this better older stuff I remember when I discovered goa around 2000 I told some of my "goth" friends about it and they would make fun of me.. liking such "undark" music haha those where the days... Thanks for the UX track gonna listen it on hifi later...

Ah ja.. of course I also found this name.. but I can hear why someone with not so much knowledge or care would sort some of it into psytrance. I heard 3 tracks from the guy, 1 was - I have not much knowledge of newer genres - more in the "rave" or "dance" category. The other 2 however both had "new style psy" bass + kick drum sound, this does not make it psy BUT.. I can understand someone could sort it there.. Ah BTW, we wrote above about "scifi" feeling and also darker stuff...this here is not 100% true Psy of course, but should fit into these themes - you guys thoughts about the track?

I wonder if you can post 2-3 examples of these rubber bass tracks ? Cause perhaps it is the same you mean that I think of As for the topic question, I do not miss anything much to be honest, it seems much is explored already. And I do not like eg. vox and guitar in psy anyway. But more psy mixed with ebm is what I could like I guess, using darker style of vox then would perhaps even work But for "newer" Psy refer to my thread "..curious....after 2010..." for what I miss a bit...these days

@Manuser .. interesting stuff... yeah like most of it..thanx @Paul Eye + @Tsotsi I can hear Morphic Resonance might be a very good suggestion.. thanx Btw. There are a ton of tutorials and templates at Youtube "...how to make psytrance like xxxx" xxx more often than not has Vini Vici (seems to be a newer big name I only heard recently) or Astrix to "replicate" I have not found xxxxx = being Hallucinogen, X-Dream or MFG. Even not Astral P...are they not in fashion anymore? I wonder why...perhaps it is not easy to produce/copy?? Even Armin van Buuren can be the xxx ? Since when did he make Psytrance ? Try yourself with YT search...I found this quite interesting.. even for people like me who do not want to reproduce anything of these artists, might also suggest why so many new psy sounds the same?

Mh... the KOB stuff seems to be ok for sure, but not really the vibe I was looking for - Kadasarva the same but has to many "random" noises perhaps? Deviant Electronics I heard before - seems more like early / true goa... which is cool, but also not what I was thinking of LOL. Might be my own fault for being so "choosy" (is this an english existing word?) Whow, nice to see Astral Projection here from Sweden even There are 2 more X-D sideprojects you perhaps mean ? Midi Miliz and The Delta ? Guess 1st one is more techno and 2nd one has more indus/dark elements ...edit, or perhaps Dark Soho, which are also darker side ?

@psytones Thanks, I found your 1st example quite interesting but had only cheap headphones - need to listen on hifi cause the drums sounded a bit strange, but might have to do with the "dustbin" thingie. The UX stuff was ok, but further away from what I m looking for - but it is well produced stuff. The female gated voices spoiled the fun for me a bit (I always think more of house music with these kinda "vocals" @Anoebis Thanks, yeah I noted the MFG release, need to listen again to it....KOB gonna check next @Paul Eye I like the Radio album but think the one before (..created..) was a bit better, gonna check your tipp too later Also from the 1st album like mentioned the track "Children Of The Last Generation" is one of my faves. I noted this remix album: https://www.discogs.com/XDream-Trip-To-Trancesylvania-In-The-Mix/release/35814 Comment says it is essential release, need to take a listen even if not a fan of remixes mostly. Re. MFG, some of my fave tracks must be "Dark Waters, Wonderland + On Mars + Project Genesis"

...sounds like X-Dream (2nd album + track "children of") or MFG (3rd / 4th albums) ? Or even "unkown stuff" from the 90ties ? I know most these however already.. I found these named albums having some unique sound. Just like Hallucinogen or Blue Planet Thanks

SO here the 3rd cover, this is also be the best so far and has more psy elements then the Cure one: This time Sisters Of Mercy (instrumental) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nTdnbNRgA https://soundcloud.com/alphaquadrant/alpha-quadrant-lucretia-my-reflection-sisters-of-mercy-cover Would be happy if someone subs, follows, likes..it is not easy these days... we have now 20000+ Songs per DAY uploaded to nets at Spotify ALONE.. 10 years ago it was already difficult and not only for small artists but well known electronic bands. Update: Today, an eyebrow-raising update: Spotify founder Daniel Ek told investors this morning (April 29), that “close to 40,000” tracks are now being uploaded to the Spotify platform daily. That, as if you needed telling, is an astonishing amount of music." Source: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide....-now-being-added-to-spotify-every-single-day/

Willkommen (in der Wirklichkeit), we are glad for new members, hope you write in the forums and not only post you music.

Psytrance/techno with indus elements ?: Older piece from me if someone has suggestions for what styles to sort in my stuff it would be cool...(I need this sadly for Spotify etc. later. I can not found my own style there) I have severall where I do not know style.. this is more techno I believe:

For some reason YT suggested to me at least a dozen times...and now the 13th I went and listen it. It is a nice song, has 107.000 plays, from 2015 and not very commercial. So do not know why YT wanted to get the word out for this track LOL

Staffan, thanks for the link, its good music right there...