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That is some priceless shit right there.

"Buy artist albums. " Prove me wrong. Nothing would make me happier. Examples?

I've heard various eurotrance compilations. Some is quite good. Some is pure shit. I guess not unlike goa. My trouble with it is it's so commerical. I remember going to some house (as in at a house, not house the genre) parties a few years back. There was this group of Russian guys... all bling bling thugs and whiggers. Not really evil, just so lame lame lame. They loved eurotrance. They'd show up and take over and play only eurotrance and just stand around the speakers flexing and flashing cheap jewelry. That kind of said it all to me. As a scene, mega raves, hero worship, etc. No thanks. My other issue with eurotrance/dreamtrance/clubtrance is every CD is some mix and all tracks are remixed remixed remixes mixed together. Half the tracks on a mix CD are good... and the rest bad. You can't make your own CD because you don't have each track on its own. And most tracks on their own have 30 seconds to a minute of just beats with nothing else as an intro and outro. Built only for mixing. As a home listener... this is useless to me. As a result, I own no CD's in this area.

Can't vote for just one.

Stuff released around the time of Maya.

"Features unreleased tracks from Planet Mu super stars Shitmat and Chevron"

I would agree, but early Banco de Gaia is quite good.

Interesting... I must check out some of the mentioned artists and albums. Is there some place like Saikosounds/Psyshop that specializes in this stuff where you can easily hear samples?

"I would also love to see "non-psy" DJs playing at psy events." Only if there is more than one stage or room. When I go to psy event... it's to hear psy. Having said that, I enjoy other styles in moderation (except Happy Hardcore *puke*). I like it when you can go listen to another style for a while, and when that loses interest, I go back to the room full of pumping psytrance and instantly it's like a wave of goodness hits me and I'm that much happier to be there. Especially when you go back to the psy room and a great track is playing.

Planet Dog was a great label. If you like Planet Dog stuff... also check out releases on Waveform Records.

I hear what you are saying el brujo, but I've heard some drum and bass (not sure which artists etc.) that has very similar layers and effects as psy just a different backbone or foundation. To me the difference is only in the overall vibe and the kind of place you can hear it. In truth, I think both can be equally trippy... I can't prove this, but I've always wondered. So, I've always wanted to hear the D&B equivalent of Hallucinogen - LSD or AP - People Can Fly or etc...... So what is it? And where can I hear samples?

I must admit that the best non-psy electronic music I have heard that has similar energy to psy is drum and bass. Never really got into it though. It's like this whole other world and parts of it seem very commerical, well as commercial as any music like that ever is I guess. The main reason I never got into it though was that I just don't have the time to get into it and figure out what's going on. Furthermore, the people I have met who are heavily into it are usually ex-hardcore ravers and really shallow and lame and talk like a bunch of whiggers. This whole vibe instantly turns me off. Still one day maybe I'll put in some time and buy a few CDs. Any album reccomendations for guy who knows nothing but D&B but loves psy?

I have heard that also. Some new Transwave would be great.

"makes Britney seem like an alien from outer space whose voice glimmers through the fabric of constantly changing and evolving soundscapes." Now that sounds cool. Too bad most psy-remixes pale in comparison to the original. Or perhaps it's not too bad? One of the lamest things about regular clubtrance is how every... EVERY... track on every... EVERY.... cd is remixed by some lamo. It's almost as if the music is so uninspired to begin with that it takes a few other people to add some life to it and mix it with at least 2 other songs before enough shit is going on to make it worth listening to. What does that say about the 'artist' who made the original?

For its time: not bad. Not classic.

I reccomend listening to New Kind of World. MFG rocks. Looking forward to new MFG and .... dare I hope.... Transwave!!!

So many perfect examples mentioned. For me it's easy: Astral Projection - People Can Fly

Thanks!

Just downloaded and listening now. So far so good. Track list looks good. Link to the "first?" Edit: or perhaps I should say the one before...

Interesting read. Some thoughts. Keep in mind where you are listening and who you listening too (i.e. Astrix & GMS etc.). Also, you talk about e-music and mention that you first took ecstasy at a Psy party, like that was the whole idea of the scene. I respectfully suggest that pure Psytrance (and not Psy-pop) is anything but e-music. You also mentioned that your older brother thought that Psytrance was for: "just the access to electronic music in general because it is very appealing: a less-demanding crowd who wants to dance and trip. People who simply want to have fun, not really worrying "if this track was.. " or "if that song would be like.. " or even what artist is performing." I find this comment totally contrary to my own experience. Where I live, it's very hard to find anyone who like listening to ANY psytrance (even Astrix and GMS) for more than 1 or 2 minutes without looking restless and or bitching about how horrible it is. If anything, from my own observations, I would have said much the same thing about House music or general Eurotrance or any other mass rave/club music. You go to a club and Housey stuff is the standard, because anyone will put up with it and get down. I don't know why that is? It sounds like a complete reversal where you live which puzzles me. You also said: "But my post was more like "will psytrance producers [not talking about Goa] develop their styles to a point where songs will have a better construction so as to fit OTHER tracks ending up being easily introduced into a consistent DJ set?" Again, I think you look at Psy from your background and miss the history and the true point. Minimal Psy (if you could even call it Psy) did just this for while. It was very mixable, but this really isn't the point of pure and good Psy. A good song really is a journey. It will open with beautiful sounds and maybe cool sample or whatever. Ideally it should progress nicely into the beat and the meat of the song. A good song is complete in itself (rare these days). This is why so few mixed Psy CD's are released. It's about the song and the album as an expression of a theme or mood or whatever. And as a final note. I would admit that most Psy DJ's are horrible mixers. But I've always said that I'd prefer a DJ who mixes poorly but plays good songs than a DJ who mixes with no flaws but plays the same boring shit for hours on end. Again, it's about the song as being complete without the need to mix 5 songs before you get enough going on to make it interesting. In that sense, I've always thought of really good House DJ's as being more musicians with "artists" producing the various instruments they weave together. To each their own.

Promotional?

Anoebis did a good job there. And the years do make a difference, because, while some artists always break the mould of any era, psytrance has a definite overall evolution. 1993 to ~ 1997 = the age of Goa (although "Psy" was used as a term back then too) 1998 to maybe ~ 2000 was a transition to Psy but at the same time Minimal started to rear its ugly head and took over to the point that, for a while, everything that was Goa was dried right out of many releases. Then maybe 2001 or 2002 was transition to more fullon sounds... which moved into what was now (at its worst) an instantly identifiable steeming pile of shit. At the same time, another path was developing --> Progressive. Now you can find Goa inspired fullon. New school pure oldschool (rare). Fullon inspired Progressive. The list goes on... Don't worry so much about this shit. Listen to what is good

@crammul I don't care what it is or is not. Very very cool.

This is a joke right? I've heard the Seek and Destroy one. Yawn. This shit doesn't even touch the depths...

I can't think of any. Really. That's part of why I like electronic and psytrance in particular. Pessimism is for cranky rockers. All a bunch of rich winers (or wanna be rich winers).