Daniël

errr?? right-click properties, ever heard of it? here's a short tutorial for you: 1. right click link 2. click properties 3. copy the "http://.....www.blabla.org...." 4. go berzerk and pull out all your hair while screaming " NO! NOOOOOOO!!!" & wondering why you didn't think of this before.... 5. realise you just posted the "most enteraining post of the week", you won a cookie. 6. eat your cookie

I suggest we use rotwang's system as the official psynews CD rating system.

Who's Mark Allen?

BURN THE INFIDELS!

I ost you ost he ost we ost they ost I osted you shall ost they were osting It's something like "smurfing"? Don't ost the ost in the ost or you'll be drun! I'm not drun you OST! i'm toned

Well, IMO the diversity on parties survived until 2005, not in clubs but underground rave parties, labeled as acid parties, mostly they were in Brussels & Leuven. 1 party, several styles, they played techno, acid, goa, rave, jungle, breakbeat etc on 1 party. In 2005breakcore & acidcore took over this scene and killed everything melodic & ravy that was left. The new acid scene is a spin off scene of breakcore. I think the last decent underground rave i did was in 2006. I heard the muses rapt - spiritual healing, Intrance- mosquito & hardfloor in 1 set, then i just KNOW i'm in the right place. This was for me the true pearl of the belgian electronic scene, my precious. If you ever heard a set by DJ black francis ( the guy is WHITE!!! WHITE I TELL YA!!!) you know what i'm talking about. And i have seen it all, from hardcore overdrive in sportpaleis, illusion, kozzmozz, starwarz, it's like a jungle, mysteryland till warehouse parties with Acid, rave or goa. I loved everything. I missed bonzai as partymusic cause i was too young, first party-experiences were It's like a jungle & Kozzmozz 2 years. IMO, the perfect time to start, 80's was crap, early 90's was ok, mid 90 was WHAM!

sticky this shit. discuss?

some people take goa way too serious. We're all just hobbyist Artist / Dj / labels trying to keep a semiproffesional attitude. People who are not an artist, DJ or label are often the ones with the most critics. IMO, you have 2 kinds of critics, 1) n00bs who think they saw the light and are on a divine mission 2) artist who think they will reach the top and glamour, AKA "too far up yer ass"-people It's like talking to a monkey about the Aesthetics of eating peanuts, you can start a whole phylosophical debate and add historical arguments to convince him of your divine plan but in the end the monkey wil just frown, turn around and fart in your face while he nibbles on his precious peanuts. To some people it might look like UFO's have lost an ancient artifact that coincidentally landed in some CD cover and transformed them into some alpha spiritual being that made them capable of healing cancer and walking on water (while everybody who is actively involved is concidered a kapitalist) but in the end when these illusions all faded all that is left are peanuts to keep you busy on a boring day. I don't know if that was a good metaphore but it's the best i can think of at the moment. So, i frown on fantatic old skool fanboys, turn my back to them and fart, I admit ignorance and lack of ambition & vision, i'm not here to save the world with divine goatrance,I'm an inferior monkey that just likes peanuts.

+1 appreciation you earned a cookie.

yey, i can practice my german. dieses ist ein englisches webforum arschloss, teine mutter glaubt by kik. did i write that right?

Tiesto is NOT belgian, he's from holland.

blue alphabet - cybertrance franky jones - overwhelming rain Belgium trance = bonzai records. The trio Axel Stephenson, Frederico Santini, frank sels(franky jones) are responisble for most of the projects. They ruled the belgian electronic scene from 92 till 2000. Belgium trance (= also rave, hardtrance, hardcore) in the early days, is mostly inspired by the frankfurt rave sound, although the belgian sound is much harder and more experimental, focusing more on harcore, probably an influence from the hardcore coming from holland. I'd say it's a mix of the hardcore from holland and frankfurt rave, with some "bad sound quality" herbs. Most of the belgian tracks are garbage when listened sober, but oooh sooooo much fun on that good E we can make here. That's all that was needed back then. Later on (98-2002) it changed to more poppy crowdpleasers, like push - universal, but it never came to a unique belgian sound, like bonzai. They were influenced by the upcoming epic trance sound from holland (Tiesto, ferry corsten).

thank you lemmi, this is the artist i was talking about, i've heard an LP from these guys which i would clearly classify in goatrance ( if played in 45)

I've heard an LP from 78 which is pure goatrance if you play it in 45 instead of 33. I forgot the name, it has a fantasy-styled cover with pixies and forestcreatures. It has been mentioned on this site before, but i'm too lazy to search

I don't understand all this fuzz about suntrip... they kept goatrance alive while 5 years ago it was almost dead. Yet, they are critisesed more than a kiddie darp psy label on this forum. Maybe it's because suntrip is somehow connected to psynews, alot of people are pushing their standards too high. It was just goa back then and it's just goa now, i don't hear a difference between old & new skool imo, it's the same genre, equally genious and equally lame.

+1 But it's also a free choice for the artist to use this formula.

my favs: refx nexus ABL2 rob papen predator korg legacy

yes, Lemmi, you are right. But it has a simular set of musical rules as IFO. They just had better inspiration. To be honest, I don't really like any of my tracks.

http://www.psytracks.com/artists/10/ aquanomaly

ok, it may sound smarty pants stuff, sorry for that, but it's the truth. I feel like i just walked into a church and screamed: "Jesus was just a just vulnerable human" resulting in fainting people all around it is not about good or bad here, just perspective. I've been making music for 7 years, and i never promoted my work towards labels and organizers, because i always want more, it's never good enough, and i don't want to rush in and make something mediocre but acceptable by a limited public. I do not care about the money but about knowledge & technical skills. Success is not proof of knowledge & technical skills, alot of succesfull music is easy to make, but that doesn't make it inferior, it's good to have a simple formula that works perfect but my interest is more than just nice tunes. I am a sound technician and have to work with hordes of (sometimes annoying) musicians & actors each day; it just made me see things differently, but i still respect goa-trance, it is amongst my fav genres, it's good music, but it's in a different perspective now. When it comes to music & audio i am satisfied with what i have now, but i want to be realistic, know where i'm standing, how i must grow and have a realistic image about the universe of music. if you want to listen to some of my music: clicky My most musical tracks are blue void,sharkbits, varuna, astral pulse & medusa. All tracks are made within a timespan of 4 hours. I always set up a few musical laws before i begin. Basically when you have this set it will make things easier cause you can't go wrong, it's just a matter of inspiration. IMO, if someone needs more than 2 hours to lay out the musical base of a track he's doing something wrong. Music is a language, it has grammar and vocabulary, so good music is poetry, it has to be made fast; in the flow. the only way to do that is to jam it while keeping a certain set of laws in the back of your head. I jam on my midicontroller for 30 minutes, record everything, sequence it, tune it, construct a composition and my track is finished, just have to add some spices. Although i am never satisfied with the outcome, it feels more like an ongoing journey, it's never good enough. I find my music not challenging enough to decode and there is only a personal input, i can not communicate with other inputs, which is an annoying limitation imo. What interest me the most is live music and how it should be constructed technically so the music can be a flow of inspiration in a jamsession instead of predetermined sequences, If you can't share your enthusiasm with other people there is no flying fuck to it. And the experience of being completely live is my ultimate XTC, I can fuck it all up, right in front of a huge crowd, and that happened several times. I once fucked up in front of 400.000 viewers on TV, had to change a patch with 150 inputs 8 times within a minute, started of wrong and i linked the intercom of the director on air instead of their return mix. and I once completely fucked up in a theater and blew up 2 speakers and a sub (probably a few ears too). But i also did pure art, pure live, without a single mistake. oh and one more thing, i'm talking about goa in general, there are musical gems in goa too, like Khetzal-corolle , that stand out completely with head & shoulders between the horde. But if you look at the complete spectrum of goatrance i tend to find it musically simplistic, melodic though, but not musical. Not better or worse than full-on, it's roundabout the same level. But like i said, a good formula is enough to catch interest, all music is great music, the expression of creativity is all that counts. Just don't exalt it to a godlike level, that's a pop consumer attitude. I like the complete spectrum of music and i want to master this spectrum, i'd do any kind of musical style if i had to opportunity so i can expand my horizon. It's not about success and money but art, science and spirituality.

yeah, you're absolutely right, music is music. I don't want to diss goatrance here, just trying to place it in perspective. Actually goa has a bit of a jazzy approach, jazz uses alot of polyrhythms, swung, arpeggio's and blu enotes. But that's about it when it comes to rules, so there is alot of space for improvisation and jam sessions. And that's what jazz is about, jazz artists can play very good & complex music just out of the blue in a jam. Goa trance has a simular consensus, and if you would try to play it on live instruments there also is alot of space for improvisation. And it doesn't only sound good, it's extremely fun if you can jam music instead of compose or program music.

lol. you didn't figure out yet that the musical level of goa is pretty.........well....it's nothing more then just jamming around with the basics. The synth sounds are cool though. Mozart is disconnected from Phrase, his music flows and lives, it is much more layered then electronic music and all these layers have a specific function to another. Every music (sub)genre has it's set of rules. the set of rules makes up the musical style and if you stick to these rules it is just a matter of inspiration and coincidence to find something good. Every work of mozart mixes these rules of different types of composition, this is very unusual and clever. Goa; and electronic music in general, is very basic, alot of phrases, alot of arpeggio's, stick to one chord, one scale. There is a musical set of laws in electronic music, but mostly it's nothing more then playing around with scales and hoping for good luck. It is not a refined composition style like you can find in Classical music with complex and strict rules who only the genius can break and bend.

finished it 10 min ago: This evening i will start with this one, maybe a set of 4.

Did i ever tell you i am actually suposed to make deco? This are all old style deco, It took me 2 years to complete them although 80% was done on 3 days. Don't mind the date on the pic, i took them today, but the clock is wrong. I'm to lazy to adjust or turn off the shit. The main reaseon why i decided to make some deco is because i noticed my skills improved without praticing. HAH, how about that... Actually i just put more time in it, and will try to take this to a whole different level. Decent designs, other techniques, and less psychedelic frenzies, more rational. I am very interested in art nouveau style and will try to mix this with psy deco. here's an example and a pre study of this backdrop: Maybe you'll catch them on festivals next year. I will hold back everything till summer next year, if i'm not satisfied about quantity or quality i could delay this one year. And i will only do parties in the summer, cause i will be touring around Europe from October till april. Compared to the past years this situation is promising and it just feels like a good investment to spend time on deco again. I will bring better deco and it won't be overdone like my previous deco. We had so many parties we just couldn't create new ones on time, they all got overdone and suffered from alot of damage. you can check ou told works at: Xibalz.be deviantart