supergroover Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 soo.. interesting question here.. what online shops do we actually have and what part of the total sales do they get ? opinions facts etc.. we got (lets make a total list here of shops selling over 20 labels; i ll edit this post to keep it organised): www.psyshop.com www.saikosounds.com www.beatport.com www.trance-shop.com/ www.psysale.com i think personally psyshop and saikosounds are the biggest. Taking maybe even 25 % each. but thats just guessing bring on those 2cents each! Quote
NEMO.BOFH Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 supergroover said: soo.. interesting question here.. what online shops do we actually have and what part of the total sales do they get ? opinions facts etc.. we got (lets make a total list here of shops selling over 20 labels; i ll edit this post to keep it organised): www.psyshop.com www.saikosounds.com www.psysale.com www.beatport.com www.trance-shop.com i think personally psyshop and saikosounds are the biggest. Taking maybe even 25 % each. but thats just guessing bring on those 2cents each! 623378[/snapback] You mean total sales of records right? Quote
reger Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 nemo said: You mean total sales of records right? 623382[/snapback] perhaps market share? Quote
Snapinho Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 reger said: perhaps market share? 623392[/snapback] I thinkt that's what he means, yeah. Quote
NEMO.BOFH Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 so, offtopic here, but when are we getting together Groover and Snap?! Quote
Snapinho Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 nemo said: so, offtopic here, but when are we getting together Groover and Snap?! 623402[/snapback] next weekend? Stubnitz? (hush hush, that's also his birthday... free beer!!! ) Quote
abasio Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 supergroover said: soo.. interesting question here.. what online shops do we actually have and what part of the total sales do they get ? opinions facts etc.. we got (lets make a total list here of shops selling over 20 labels; i ll edit this post to keep it organised): www.psyshop.com www.saikosounds.com www.psysale.com www.beatport.com www.trance-shop.com i think personally psyshop and saikosounds are the biggest. Taking maybe even 25 % each. but thats just guessing bring on those 2cents each! 623378[/snapback] Do you mean what percent they make (profit) on each sale? After the artists share + overheads? Quote
supergroover Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 no.. not per cd.. in total.. lets say this year there is a 100 psytrance cd's sold in those shops. 25 are sold by psyshop, 25 by saiko etc.. Quote
Guest antic Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 So, you want to know a share of each on-line shop's sales in whole on-line sales or in total sales, including street shops? hehe, more questions than answers so far Quote
Guest Elysium Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 It's a bit early to have any statistics about the percentage of market share. But a good estimate is that it's probably around 65/35 right now when it come to overall music looking away from nitches. I would guess CD sales are still the major winner but I also do believe it will change sooner or later. When it come to psy, fullon, chill etc. I would probably estimate that online sale is the winner. I do not think many physical shops carry many CD titles anymore due to the small sales. Quote
Snapinho Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Quote So, you want to know a share of each on-line shop's sales in whole on-line sales or in total sales, including street shops? i wanna know the share of each online psychedelic trance shop in the whole sales of online psychedelic trance sales... Quote
abasio Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Snapinho said: i wanna know the share of each online shop in the whole sales of online sales... 623849[/snapback] 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% Quote
Krell Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 abasio said: 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% 623857[/snapback] Sorry to have to break this to you, but your information is wrong... its 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% Next time, check your facts before you post in a forum! - Krell Quote
abasio Posted October 21, 2006 Posted October 21, 2006 Krell said: Sorry to have to break this to you, but your information is wrong... it's 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% Next time, check your facts before you post in a forum! - Krell 624027[/snapback] 1 zero short! Damn Damn Damn!! Quote
DETOX Posted October 21, 2006 Posted October 21, 2006 If we are talking only about online shops that sell cds meaning that digital shops are out of the question then i can say that Psyshop and Saikosounds together must own more than 70% of the market. I mean when Saikosounds and Psyshop purchase 100 cds from one title the other stores get something like 4-5 copies maximum. By the way isnt tranceshop/psysale closed yet? Quote
healium Posted October 21, 2006 Posted October 21, 2006 What I want to know is how many copies do most well-known/hyped psytrance albums sell? Like say for the new Ticon, or Reefer Decree, or Mantrix albums? Do these people make enough off sales to call it a living? Are we talking 500 copies or like 30,000? How about for the Shpongle or Infected Mushroom albums? I have no idea how popular psytrance is or how many copies an album usually sells.... Quote
Guest Elysium Posted October 21, 2006 Posted October 21, 2006 healium said: What I want to know is how many copies do most well-known/hyped psytrance albums sell? Like say for the new Ticon, or Reefer Decree, or Mantrix albums? Do these people make enough off sales to call it a living? Are we talking 500 copies or like 30,000? How about for the Shpongle or Infected Mushroom albums? I have no idea how popular psytrance is or how many copies an album usually sells.... 624746[/snapback] 1000-1500 max for 99.5% of all releases. A few probably more but those are rare. Quote
supergroover Posted October 22, 2006 Author Posted October 22, 2006 and how about the ambient releases? do they also sell 1000 each? Quote
abasio Posted October 22, 2006 Posted October 22, 2006 Elysium said: 1000-1500 max for 99.5% of all releases. A few probably more but those are rare. 624752[/snapback] I heard Shpongle - Are you Shpongled? sold a crap load, 20,000 or something. Does anyone know if this is true or a dream I had? Quote
Cinos Posted October 22, 2006 Posted October 22, 2006 Ambients sell more of course. It's a somewhat popular kind of music. Quote
Anoebis Posted October 22, 2006 Posted October 22, 2006 abasio said: I heard Shpongle - Are you Shpongled? sold a crap load, 20,000 or something. Does anyone know if this is true or a dream I had? 624867[/snapback] that's probably true, but keep in mind that music is for a véry big audience and with Bija Flor they already reached a big public... But Like EP said: 1000-1500 is the max these days, smaller labels are often stuck around 500-700, and very small labels only a few hundred... Quote
healium Posted October 22, 2006 Posted October 22, 2006 Damn, 1000 copies doesn't seem like many... The artist is only making a % of the retail price right? So if they make $5 per copy sold that would only be like $5000 total - not really enough to make it a living... This is why I don't understand why people say so-and-so are "selling-out" - like all the old goa acts that came out with their version of "full-on" - if they're only selling like 1000 copies what difference does it make - they're not gonna get rich and famous that way anyhow... Does this make sense to anyone? Quote
Shaft Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 healium said: This is why I don't understand why people say so-and-so are "selling-out" - like all the old goa acts that came out with their version of "full-on" - if they're only selling like 1000 copies what difference does it make - they're not gonna get rich and famous that way anyhow... 625181[/snapback] 'Old-skool' artists that aren't selling out sell roughly 1000-2000 copies / album. The (big) fullon acts like Skazi and co nowadays will sell tens of thousands, they're the ones that get rich and famous. Quote
Colin OOOD Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 healium said: Damn, 1000 copies doesn't seem like many... The artist is only making a % of the retail price right? So if they make $5 per copy sold that would only be like $5000 total - not really enough to make it a living... 625181[/snapback] Wow... someone tell me which label is paying $5 to the artist per copy sold, I wanna send them a demo... Quote
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