Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KOXBOX-UNRELEASED-NE...1QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Looks like a promo in that plastic sleeve (second pic in the part under the description)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Yup, it's an advanced Twisted promo of the upcoming Koxbox album... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delars Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 isn't this like totally not-done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Oktober 2nd in the shops? Last time I spoke to Frank, it seemed like the album was indeed finished, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Looks like a promo in that plastic sleeve (second pic in the part under the description)? 600253[/snapback] Yup, it's an advanced Twisted promo of the upcoming Koxbox album... 600273[/snapback] Maybe I should rephrase my question, as I obviously know WHAT it is. I meant, how can anyone do things like that, knowing about the current state of psytrance scene?!? It will definitely get on P2P networks any day now, so no one will be interested in buying the CD in six months when it gets released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Maybe I should rephrase my question, as I obviously know WHAT it is. I meant, how can anyone do things like that, knowing about the current state of psytrance scene?!? It will definitely get on P2P networks any day now, so no one will be interested in buying the CD in six months when it gets released 600283[/snapback] Well, as much as I agree, I'm pretty sure it's not against the law to sell promos. No matter how much the scene is suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Well, I guess somebody deseprately needs some money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Well, as much as I agree, I'm pretty sure it's not against the law to sell promos. No matter how much the scene is suffering. 600285[/snapback] I have no idea about it, but do people who receive promos sign any agreements with labels that they will not copy / sell or mp3-ize it? If not, then they're (the labels) really stupid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I have no idea about it, but do people who receive promos sign any agreements with labels that they will not copy / sell or mp3-ize it? If not, then they're (the labels) really stupid... 600296[/snapback] I never signed anything.. didn't sell 'em either. If I worked for Twisted I would sure as hell not have this guy @ my promo list from this moment on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I have no idea about it, but do people who receive promos sign any agreements with labels that they will not copy / sell or mp3-ize it? If not, then they're (the labels) really stupid... 600296[/snapback] I've never signed anything on the promo lists I'm on... Usually there's an 'unwritten code' not to distribute unreleased stuff. This guy obviously didn't follow the code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phobium Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Could it be fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Could it be fake? 600333[/snapback] I doubt it... The seller has 100% feedback + he's also selling a promo of the upcoming Western Rebel Allience album... I don't think he's on Twisted's promo list, but he might be connected to a distributor and/or large retailer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trolsk Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I meant, how can anyone do things like that, knowing about the current state of psytrance scene?!? It will definitely get on P2P networks any day now, so no one will be interested in buying the CD in six months when it gets released 600283[/snapback] What? I've bought several albums that I've had as mp3 for several months, even years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phobium Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 What? I've bought several albums that I've had as mp3 for several months, even years. 600340[/snapback] So have I. But that doesn't mean everybody else does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo void Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KOXBOX-UNRELEASED-NE...1QQcmdZViewItem 600249[/snapback] thats just wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 What? I've bought several albums that I've had as mp3 for several months, even years. 600340[/snapback] Come on, get real! Even I (and I buy a lot of music considering my budget) was for a long time delaying buying Prometheus' debut album, simply because it was on P2P networks over half a year before it was released. Until then, I knew every sound on it and with continuous flood of new releases it was really hard for me to buy something I already know so well instead of getting something new & exciting... And most of people are much more 'liberal' in those things that I am, so I think Twisted lost big time on that release, even though - musically speaking - it's one of the best albums of last 4-5 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trolsk Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Come on, get real! Even I (and I buy a lot of music considering my budget) was for a long time delaying buying Prometheus' debut album, simply because it was on P2P networks over half a year before it was released. Until then, I knew every sound on it and with continuous flood of new releases it was really hard for me to buy something I already know so well instead of getting something new & exciting... I see what you mean, thing is I don't find myself in a flood of continuous good releases I want to buy. And most of people are much more 'liberal' in those things that I am, so I think Twisted lost big time on that release, even though - musically speaking - it's one of the best albums of last 4-5 years... 600386[/snapback] I really want to like that album a lot, there's so much potential in it, but it just doesn't click so to speak. The previews I've heard of the upcoming album are a lot more exciting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 i dont get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I see what you mean, thing is I don't find myself in a flood of continuous good releases I want to buy. Well, I think it's quite easy to find 2-3 good releases a month - that was the amount of new music I was buying back then. Now it's eBay mostly, because I too can't find almost anything interesting in new releases... I really want to like that album a lot, there's so much potential in it, but it just doesn't click so to speak. The previews I've heard of the upcoming album are a lot more exciting though. Different courses for different horses That's just an example of how bad promo policy & release schedule (remember that Twisted's music is released few months earlier in Japan, but they also have CD-rippers and internet, as far as I know) can affect sales. And Twisted's a master at it i dont get it. Could you elaborate a bit on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Could you elaborate a bit on that? 600465[/snapback] i thought promos where 3-4 tracks from an upcoming album.not the whole album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 i thought promos where 3-4 tracks from an upcoming album.not the whole album 600606[/snapback] No, as far as I know nowadays 80-90% of promos look exactly like retail version, simply because the labels have no money to make additional, exclusive pressings for promos... The remaining 10-20% are CDR-s with tracklist on a card and 'real' promos. But that's just what I imagine - we should ask DP or Guy Cohen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 No, as far as I know nowadays 80-90% of promos look exactly like retail version, simply because the labels have no money to make additional, exclusive pressings for promos... The remaining 10-20% are CDR-s with tracklist on a card and 'real' promos. But that's just what I imagine - we should ask DP or Guy Cohen 600625[/snapback] haha! ok so this guy is selling his promo.what wrong can it do? he is not selling copies of it! oh wait.ppl on the promo list are trusted people from the labels,that wont publish the stuff in the net?so this guy is selling it to anybody,that maybe will put it online. thats it? did i figure it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 No, as far as I know nowadays 80-90% of promos look exactly like retail version, simply because the labels have no money to make additional, exclusive pressings for promos... The remaining 10-20% are CDR-s with tracklist on a card and 'real' promos. But that's just what I imagine - we should ask DP or Guy Cohen 600625[/snapback] Twisted has different CD art for promos. Also they don't include the jewel case and the cover art has backside art at the back All the recent ones have had the white design.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 oh wait.ppl on the promo list are trusted people from the labels,that wont publish the stuff in the net?so this guy is selling it to anybody,that maybe will put it online. thats it? did i figure it out? yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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