Purple Sunray

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Let me know what you think. =) As said stil trying to maintain the basic trance pattern, the difference to the normal dj set is just that i play cutsom edits off a track, and smaller pieces of it. But my goal is it ofc to sound like a DJ set.. just with more control To help you finding the cuts: first cut/clip-change is at 2:28, that track goes on for about 3min from there until where i jump in. Wanted to bring some wobbling back to the floor soon. So jumped to last clipmax instead of letting it go into the first one, as it is more powerfull and more important.. there is break in between.. dind't felt like there should be a break for the next 30min at least but could have been started the break clip also and only skip the first clipmax and the set would have been started with a.. intro, buildup, break, buildup, clipmax.. instead of brining the best piece of the track straight away than mix on the outro

hm.. proably printing out the bits in a human readable form and archive it at some very safe place so ppl in 400 years, on their spaceships, can play your sound while surfing through the galaxy by entering the sample values on the bord computer.. as they won't have any CD player anymore.. and noboby on that ship ever heart about SATA.. it's some food from andromeda galaxy isn't it? xD What I want to say with it: lifetime of the medium is not that important if you want ot keep your data for a long time. Try to restore a 15 year old tape backup disc... wish you good look with finding that piece of hardware that can read your tape on ebay.. =) or your sound is gone even if the data on the tape is still ok

kk, going to record a video and open a new thread about, so you can continue with the original topic here And yes, indeed, hasn't to do a lot with the old school djing anymore. Don't care about cue points, bpm (synch button!! xD ) and such during playing, but you spend most of the time with thinking in which direction you want to develop the set and firing clips to see it it's the right one to fade in next

trance is not really different to techno other than you always need to stick to the 32 bar blocks, for dark stuff also 16 sometimes. Don't try throwing in anything random after a bar as it would work with techno, but wait for 32/16. If do you that it's actually pretty easy as all trance tracks follow this pattern. Works exactly like on traditional DJ'ing, there you also don't mix somewhere in the middle of something as it will sound horrible, but the end/start of the 16/32. Same with overlays, the follow the pattern (as they are actually cuts of trance tracks *g* ), so fit most of the time. (what you need to care however when doing that is the base-note and scale, playing a F minor pad into C major track will sound horrible ofc, also if it is aligned to beat and pattern ;P )

But than you should do it vice versa as a HD is way more fragile than a CD.. mean it loses "magnetic power" (don't know the proper English word ) over time by design, while the pits and lands on a cd don't go away unless you physically destroy it. So backing-up CDs on HD's is not really backing-up, as this usually means that you transfer data from unsecure to robust medium, not vice versa ;P

currently writing the second pm to one asking how this Ableton live DJ-thing works in details.. so before I'm getting the 3rd PM.. any more ppl interested on this? (than I will do a guide an post it here instead of PM'ing with n ppl )

Think it's coming from the experimental / do-it-your-own background of a lot dark psy artists. Also have this discussions a lot.. with ppl pointing me to sample cds that contain professional fx and stuff. Ofc they will sound better than my selfmade presets, and a lot better than my self-coded synths, but that's not the point. If I wanna do some fancy mainstream fullon it's the right choice as ppl are expecting a certain type of sound, otherwise it isn't "fullon" for them anymore. If you do dark nobody expects anything - you have all freedom you want.. if I feel like spending 2 months on that psy-fart so that is sound like i want it to be, then I will spend 2 months on it^^ It's less a dick sizing contest, more the kind of an attitude to do it on your own - even if it doesn't sound that good like layered samples from a CD... it just doesn't matter.. it's dark-psy.. do whatever you want, most ppl don't listen to it anyhow as soon as you label it "dark" =)

Would like to play own tracks only.. but for that I would need to have that much own sound I want to play on set.. *g* Maybe sometime in the future.. just don't wanna play crap sound on a party.. and making good sound needd a lot of time.... i don't really have :/ No, it's a DJ set, playing tracks of other artists, but prepare it in a way where I can combine pieces. You can think of Ableton Live acting like a big sampler, with a lot of samples loaded that are aligned with the beat and might have some pre-processing already. E.g. I almost never play a track like released, there is always something I want to change. Play the second buildup first, than the first one, skip a break, insert a break of another track in between, play some FX on top ect. The genre is night psy, that's "mixed" with Live for instance http://soundcloud.com/mfr/dj-set-mental-broadcast/s-ksP82 Counting all the single shots, mini-loops ect. used there, there are probably around 50 tracks in it (1h), whereas form a lot I play only a small loop, cut a specific sample to mix into another track ect. Difficult to explain if you never worked with the clip mode in Ableton Live before.. it's a like a big matrix of buttons in front of you, pushing such a button starts a clip, which can either be a track, or piece of a track or something to layer in top of a currently playing track.

Don't work with Traktor or an traditional DJ-Software but with Live, also for DJ sets. Have a huge set of clips, which are basically 10s-3min cuts of tracks wrapped to align with the beat. If you work like that it is less about selecting the next track and mix it, as it is a no-brainier with Live and pre-prepared clips to do a transition, but you think about.. do I play a downlift of uplift break after the current loop/clip ends, with an FX clip running at the same time? Or using the alien voice sample instead? Something like that. I spend almost no time on searching for specific tracks, but more on thinking about if I go uplift, downlift, into a break, ect. most clips don't even have the track name on it but are called something like "BSM FM Build-Up009 C#" where there might be some chris rich track in the back I cut out a buildup with strong FM lead. Pretty difficult to tell ppl what you played exactly.. well it started with clip005 from the intro page, then break011 from the uplifting-breakbeats page and then min 3-5 for that artist track... Would need to record launchpad input to get this reproduced afterwards^^

Also disagree. Would need to stop DJ'ing if I need to post the tracklist afterwards as I probably can't remember most tracks played by myself .. something out of that pool of tracks.. go search for the trackname on our own xD

Hehe, heard same from others too, while those random effects kind of create a new virtual melody inside my head, that sounds a bit different every time listen to the track and make it exceptionally interesting for me.. but that's exactly what you write.. everyone has a different taste and experience, e.g. I'm listening to such kind of sounds really a lot (as I'm working on an office it's probably 8 to 9h of psy banging into my head ever day xD) what brings me back to the "understanding the sound" thing. But anyway.. there is no bad, good or better darkpsy.. just darkpsy one likes or one doesn't =)

just to give an example what i mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0i1XHxDl_I that falls under dark-psy genre too.. but if I hear such a track on the floor my dance-mode is activated immediately, while on the track above nothing happens *g*

To be honest.. i can understand why find he finds the track boring. It's basically an ongoing bassline with pretty boring drums/percs, some FX shots and a couple of FM sounds modulated with a filter. You need to be into that kind of sound already to like it IHMO.. I know there are a lot of ppl that hear the details on the atmospheres, find modulated filters on FM synths interesting, like the fx or whatever, but you need to like that kind of sound before already - can hardly imagine that goa, fullon or prog freaks will start listening darkpsy after listening to this track. It's not to downgrade this track.. quality is ok and I'm sure it was quite a lot of work to make such a track, but if you "don't understand" dark-psy this is just plain modulated noise with a bassline.. lost interest after first 32 bars already. If you compare that to uplifting dark/night psy at about same bpm it is quite a difference, there usually all the fullon guys join you immediately while with the track above they aren't. Misses some structure and definition inside the sound, as known from "normal" sound, and if this is missing, it sounds like plain randomness or chaos to most ppl... until they strart to listen to a lot of dark-psy and start to "understand the sound"

I usually wake up at sunset and go to tent with first prog act starting to play... *g* Love the night.. not only because of the dark sound.. it's a different feeling than on day.. can't describe it.. night feels like psychonaut.. day like hippie :S XD like both feelings.. but if I would need to select: I'm definitely picking the night .. =)

If I might give you a tip for your next vaction trip to Europe.. first 2 weeks of august! *g* Travel to swiss first for summer never ends, it always (ok, up to now) ends at weekend before ozora, so you have couple of days to get some rest and travel about 1000km.. and usually you see a lot of ppl there doing the same, so even finding a lift isn't a be a big deal. So you get two of best festivals around here at once.. just in case that there is a chance that this one day will ever become true

Summer Never Ends (swiss) usually has an amazing floor deco.. we call it "mothership" as it looks like a big UFO just landed if look at the floor at night from distance and Saturday night with Phobos&Fog, Ajja, Laughing Buddha & co playing on the huge Kling&Freitag line-arrays usually just blows our head.. <3 this festival

wow lots of goa fans here hmm.. difficult to judge as it very much depends on the artist.. but assuming there is only great sound on each genre it's probably: 1) Night-psy (looney moon, harda, BSM.. kind of sounds) 2) Fullon (also here, strong tendency to night/twighlight fullon acts, but not saying that I don't enjoy warm morning sounds or melodic stuff ), 3) Hightech/Psycore (pretty selective there.. love cray astronout , kindzadza, mergel & co, but there is also a A LOT of shit out there posted under this genre). 4) Psygressive (the grouch style of proggy) 5) Progressive Trance 6) Dark-Psy (know.. big genre.. here I refer to everything not fitting into Night-psy or HighTech.. Forest, the noisy gate-stuff around 150/160bpm (call it tranditional/old-shool dark-psy)) 6) Psychill / Ambient 7) Goa Trance

northern germany is pretty special as already described. There is really a lot of progressive sound around there.. starting with the popular spwin twist guys like neelix, day.din, audiomatic & co that play the mainstream progressive like you would probably expect it.. up to this very special kind of proggy like panzar or PSR guys play it. It's called "bunker sound" in germany, not everyone's taste, I must agree =) But the good thing on northern germany is the huge number of parties.. if you wanna listen to fullon, go visit a fullon party rather than a goa or progressive trance party If they don't write it on the flyer, lookup the artists -- there are quite a lot of good fullon and night-psy acts around there if you'r looking for something more rolling/powerfull than the bunker beats

hmm.. what I hate about full on? Nothing special, it's kind of the same for all other genres/sub-genres too: - "me too" sounds. Hate to listen to sound where you can't identify if this is a track of artist A, B, C, or Y as they play exactly the same style, use the same synths, samples and even the cover art designer.. just because A was successful with it.. ending up in super-boring dj-sets that repeat the same sound patterns for hours but actually playing different tracks of various artists.. - "what a surprise... NOT! -.-" sounds. Hate it if I already know what's coming next seconds before it's there. The "mass-production" fullon or proggy tracks mostly fall into this category.. I'm sure you all know it.. the kind of tracks that sound like one creating a 16bar block, copy&pasting it x time, insert a couple of drops in between and modify a filter on the lead synth on every block.. I like music where I don't know in which direction it will develop, rater than music that follows the exactly same scheme on every track

I think it strongly depends on the location^^ Don't know a lot of festivals/party here in the mid-europe area that focus on goa trance - on most of it there isn't even a single a goa act, it's more about proggi at day, fullon in the evening and night/dark-psy at night -- hilight tribe usually are the only ones playing non new-school-sound and I think the reason they'r on the lineup is less to make goa ppl happy, but ppl that like real instrument sound. =) But here in mid-eu area we have golden age of another style.. proggy psy is about to become the new house. It left the underground.. or is about to. It's not unlikely that you will hear some ace ventura, neelix, capt. hook, .. sound on the "mainstream club" saturday night electro event, where it was only about house a couple of years ago.

> Those are some Rowan Atkinson-worthy facial expressions. even worse imho.. xD

hehe.. you just need to get used to was the same for me first.. night psy is ok, but don't play that noisy dark stuff above 150.. changed completely with all those hightech guys coming up over the last years.. mixing lots of other genres/styles into but at high bpm and pumped up to max. I'm also not really on that "hard"-psycore, where 95% of the track is just drumtrack.. but fast.. the furious or mergel kind of sounds however usually just blow up my head on the dancefloor slow brainfuck.. hmm. grouch probably fits it best for me

my brain is fucked best with hightech/psycore sounds furious/crazy astronaut, jesus raves, bombax, mergel.. just to name some of them.. =) http://soundcloud.com/crazy_astronaut/crazy-astronaut-da-vg-so-damn