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Yes of course you have the right to post this sort of topic. That's irrelevant and not my point. The point was to ask what's the necessitity to promote negative discussion? (it's negative when one suggests something of abstract value is being liked/enjoyed too much.) Forgive me my harsh expression but d'uh! It's not up to your good will or intentions, if the topic you create is shaped to diss/talk down music. Do not by any means feel personally attacked by my statements. I'm providing general tips how to shape thinking in more respectful direction. It's unimportant whether you view your statements as opinions or facts. The characteristics of this topic's nature remain quite the same. The idea is to criticise music. But when it comes to electronic music as psytrance, it's waste of time to give critics. Why so one could ask? Psytrance (in most cases I've heard, and in the ones you mentioned) doesn't involve messages that are designed to create hatred or promote other acts of negativeness. Psytrance is abstract music made of sounds that are boundless and universal. So when music, or any other subject for that matter, has only abstract non-countable value it's in itself of non-value. What a person does is giving the abstract subject a personal value. Person is infact talking of him/herself instead of the music, which doesn't contain real value. Person talks about his/her characteristics; what are the things I appreciate, want etc. So when discussing about "overrated music", you are: 1) saying music has some _concrete_ value because you claim it can be overrated/underrated. this is delusional talk! 2) your ego isn't accepting differing tastes as it has a desire to talk down something others are enjoying! Can't you see? Abstract things, in the best case, only offer positive aspects because their concrete value is zero, non-countable. It's up to the viewer to decide And this is why I'm trying to say: Like what you like and leave the rest alone. It's hidden in the context that music can have absolute value, if there's a way to under/overvalue it. When saying something can be under/overvalued, you're actually saying there's some countable value to which over/under some subject is measured. But psytrance just can't be measured in terms of quality as there's no absolute universal terms to judge sounds! yo Rino btw, have you been on msn I haven't seen you there.

Texas Faggott's Don't Gowithem, Growithem 'N Glowithem They'll Let You Knowithem always pops to mind. :=) and from the same compilation the Squaremeat track Kaks Kertaa Yks Sählyvuoro (Et Sä Kuitenkaan Tajuu Mix) which roughly translated would be something like: two times one floorball turn (though you don't understand why)

agreed and approved! I know some people say it's the same thing if it's 320kbs mp3 or wav. But to think of it, wav is ~1400kbs so it actually holds over four times more info than 320kbs file. But indeed like Rino said, some smaller parties e.g. home party with friends, are sometimes quite okay with mp3s too. Oh I picked CD in the poll. I really dislike scratchy vinyl sound, with the expection of old jazz records

okay I see your view on the matter and agree to some point. haha, I think I've always been too poor to have that collector mentality. Music is one of the rare cases where materialism doesn't have to play any important part. After two listens, Sensient sounds promising for sure. I still don't know what to think of it. The beat could be better on some points of the album. Haven't found bigger flaws tho

Not to sound disrespectul mate, but I saw the same deal and the guy clearly stated in the comments it's the polish edition. So even if he did advertise the album on harthouse it was stated it's the different edition. No cheating involved. So is it his fault you don't read the comments properly? And furthermore, does it really, really matter which edition you have? It's a great cd shouldn't that be big enough of pleasure? edit: I got Sensient's new album. I think I'll have to give it proper few spins before I can say if it's my cupp'o'tea.

that's a lidl strange. when I deal with Pedro I get a response lighting fast - no exceptions.

Added 2 koo-pee-äl.

you just made me put Radio on mister!

"actually just common sense (or perhaps uncommon since so many people here can't seem to understand)." thanks to feathers for this great piece of a quote.

I can't believe you guys didn't mention psychomachine absolute ruler of a track. <3 I don't find words for these guys. One of my all time fav'e producers without a doubt.

Yeah but you have to remember Atkins' Cybotron project which already in early 80s was producing (before techno came around big time) some serious electro tunes. Not even mentioning Model 500! But hey isn't it being seriously ahead of your time when you're part of creating a whole new genre? I gotta take a closer look on Beltram. Somehow I've always managed to miss his productions. Thanx for reminding.

Now the real question is, why to have topic such as this in the first place? What good does is promote? Telling someone which music to listen or not to listen is an act of a proud ego. The ego thinks it can define or label music. The ego wants others to agree on with its taste and by so confirming beliefs of its superior/righteous taste of music. Do we have absolute value for music? If not, then there's no use for undervaluing anything. What I advice one to do is to enjoy the music he/she likes and perhaps spreading his/her positive feel she/he gets from music.

the trio kevin saunderson/derrick may/juan atkins would be my pick! And of course many you guys suggested already

I think I've done 4-5 deals with Pedro by now. All smooth as silk. A-class prices, A-class music.

point taken I myself approach cds differently though. What fascinates me about music is that it isn't a concept that has physical boundaries. In fact, music is a doorway to inner self, a spiritual ritual when at its best. So, I only find one benefit in buying real cds: the sound quality is better. So basically a burned copy of original cd is fine and dandy for me. Not complaining if the cd/artwork (flying rhinos anyone?) has eye pleasing effect though!

isn't it the music that counts? 30 euros for back cover

added few ranging from goa to techno.

sorry but asking 30 euros for juno's album is like asking any money for skazi album.

I think strobos are so cool when they "cut" dancers on the floor. definitely an add to any self respecting psyparty

yeah I also think it's brilliant. have you already bought galaxy 2 galaxy's album? it's must have to say the least. <3

Hallucinogen on salvia was an experience I'll remember.

Yo alleycat, I'm interested in that sensient album. please check out my trade-topic on psynews and see if anything catches your attention

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