Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
nihalar

If you are a music producer, CAUTION! Widespread fraud is taking money, credit away from artists!

Recommended Posts

nihalar    9

SHARING as REPOST (feel FREE to repost somewhere else): If you are a music producer, CAUTION! Widespread fraud is taking money, credit away from artists!

 

Your author's rights were violated? Was your contract breached? Did you ever received intimidating emails or messages from Thomas Vitali after you tried to protect your affected works? If you have ever had a bad experience or been scammed by Thomas Vitali, please share your experience!

 

Ok, but who is Thomas Vitali and why should I be careful?? I never heard of him!

 

Well, i'm glad you ask; Thomas Vitali  also known as: "ThelavishDayfoxBravelion, Sunstryk, Chemicus", and more pseudonyms, is the owner of approximately 200 digital labels covering various genres of electronic music... through its labels has committed multiple author rights violations as a fact showed in the screenshots, and as if that weren't enough, he intimidates artists who try to defend their work of this abusive actions which besides are illegal due it's against the laws that protect authors in any country in the world!

 

if you are interested in knowing more about this situation, you can read the following article that I found regarding this situation and judge for yourself:

https://notyourjukebox.com/2020/07/08/widespread-fraud-is-taking-money-credit-away-from-artists

#vitalifraud #vitaliscam #thomasvitalifraudster #thomasvitaliscammer #vitalirepeatinfringer #thomasvitalifraud

Below are just few proofs of hundreds:

CLICK HERE (MORE EVIDENCE)


1437448959_Capturadepantalla2020-07-11ala(s)23_40_22.png.e2231c42b5d64908f502943be9604ac3.png

1983957454_Capturadepantalla2020-07-11ala(s)23_39_10.png.bbf1e53a8bc70f0b99b3583ab02abc1c.png

909947486_Capturadepantalla2020-07-11ala(s)23_35_18.png.ef503496a84b502ab3bc37984c05db05.png

731886536_Capturadepantalla2020-07-11ala(s)23_36_58.png.f59ebd757a1fc77c1fb161f3c38f777d.png

1622141622_Capturadepantalla2020-07-11ala(s)23_30_46.png.e0f9e6733fc30e35b5822dc8995c9031.png

1868951782_Capturadepantalla2020-07-11ala(s)23_33_08.png.17f01c80f8bddf8b8c7753bbca3d7deb.png


1905707942_Capturadepantalla2020-07-25ala(s)12_08_02.png.17caec1a599c80cab4b9504f9cb87376.png

24465534_Capturadepantalla2020-07-25ala(s)12_08_28.png.88912305e002e1f646f5ffdc57e93aec.png

15335251_Capturadepantalla2020-07-25ala(s)12_06_58.png.9697fc34e5902ad02548cce4bf792d56.png

1411602167_Capturadepantalla2020-07-28ala(s)9_32_39.png.5d2c511ede5661133a9e98b61ca2175c.png

The latest screenshots are of artists that you surely know well in this forum, there is a lot of evidence about it, hundreds to tell the truth, but it is better to leave some things hidden...

2129763117_Capturadepantalla2020-07-28ala(s)9_33_03.png.24d39cfcebf879618eced7c9e22fec1d.png

1653072684_Capturadepantalla2020-07-28ala(s)9_33_15.png.f62cdf3b868468d5ea499381cd47f0ad.png

#vitalifraud #vitaliscam #thomasvitalifraudster #thomasvitaliscammer #vitalirepeatinfringer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RTP    102

Please don't say Thomas Vitali. Say Psynina! The guy was suspicious to me since almost 6 years...

Sorry I just need to quote myself now:

heh ...

  • Like 1
  • Haha 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AstralSphinx    120

Interesting thread, shouldn't it be moved to the general section instead? And to think that our psynews mascot NHJO wanted to marry this? :ph34r: Hope he don't scam NHJO-boi! He has a lot of killah tunes in his vaults!

PSYNINA IS REAL, YOU NEED TO BELIEVE!

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
nihalar    9
On 7/26/2020 at 5:43 PM, AstralSphinx said:

Interesting thread, shouldn't it be moved to the general section instead? And to think that our psynews mascot NHJO wanted to marry this? :ph34r: Hope he don't scam NHJO-boi! He has a lot of killah tunes in his vaults!

PSYNINA IS REAL, YOU NEED TO BELIEVE!

and the story is even more interesting, on reddit it has created several users to write comments against such post ... reading their writing it's more than evident... long live psynina! oh no ... wait she is him... and him is his manager too :D 

(Just read the comments and you will see as the post that is the same than this here was takedown) and yeah, probably if someone can move this to general, could be better.

 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
nihalar    9
8 minutes ago, recursion loop said:

Ineteresting, I thought Sunstryk was a legit artist, even liked some his tracks

 

 

Well it's not, he is the same man behind the famous Psynina on this forum, currently, it's all his projects done by ghost producers...

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
recursion loop    542
Just now, nihalar said:

Well it's not, I can tell you that he doesn't produce his music in any of his projects either, at least not currently, it's all done by ghost producers...

Who made that track then?

I remember there were some other tracks in similar style, also a collab with E-Clip (not sure E-Clip would collaborate with someone who is obviously shady, though it was 10 years ago)

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AstralSphinx    120

I think this would fit very well in the general section indeed, it's very psytrance related. And could help people make important decisions, and perhaps share some positive, negative or neutral experiences regarding this.

 The thread could perhaps fit in the spiritual zone as well if it derails, since nobody seems to know what's fantasy and what's real with this project. It would be fair as well if psynina chimes in with her side of the story. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
nihalar    9
Posted (edited)

 

3 hours ago, recursion loop said:

Who made that track then?

I remember there were some other tracks in similar style, also a collab with E-Clip (not sure E-Clip would collaborate with someone who is obviously shady, though it was 10 years ago)


A decade ago, the Internet was not as transparent as it is today... Vitali's scam was not as big as it is today, it was not visible to everyone, many respected artists believed in Thomas Vitali because of the names of the labels he purchased which used to be great names (before Vitali of course), Plusquam for example belonged to Spirit Zone before it was owned by Vitali, which made other artists believe even more in Vitali as well as in Plusquam labels like Planet B.E.N. In the past, people came to trust on him enough. The former owners who sold those labels to Vitali did not really know who they were selling the brand to. 

Taking into account such introduction, 10 years ago, some collaborations were already being made at a distance... I doubt very much that E-clip and Sunstryk shared the studio, and if they did, you can be sure that the main work was from E-clip. In those old times, when not much was known about Vitali, but if anything was known about the names of his new purchased labels, the purpose was to release music on them, so a collaboration in the interest of having music there, was the less important thing, until eventually, the artists and ppl discovered the scam.   

I'm sorry if the information about Sunstryk disappoints you, but this is reality. 

On 7/26/2020 at 5:06 PM, RTP said:

Please don't say Thomas Vitali. Say Psynina! The guy was suspicious to me since almost 6 years...

All right then Psynina hehe 
 

2 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

I think this would fit very well in the general section indeed, it's very psytrance related. And could help people make important decisions, and perhaps share some positive, negative or neutral experiences regarding this.

 The thread could perhaps fit in the spiritual zone as well if it derails, since nobody seems to know what's fantasy and what's real with this project. It would be fair as well if psynina chimes in with her side of the story. 

admin @RTP,  Im agree with @AstralSphinx, can you help us to move the thread to general section??  :)

Edited by nihalar
redaction and request to the Admin to transfer this to the General Section

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
recursion loop    542
1 hour ago, nihalar said:

I'm sorry if the information about Sunstryk disappoints you

Not really, as I said I kinda liked some of his (his?) tracks but never was a real fan or anything.

 

I heard several tracks credited as Sunstryk which sounded similar (definitely like they had been made by the same person) but  maybe it was just the same ghost producer. Interesting why he/she never showed up then.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AstralSphinx    120
10 hours ago, nihalar said:


Obviously as Santa Claus!

Yes haha :D I still remember vividly, that many people really hoped she was real. By now it's like the Yeti of psytrance lore. When you think about it, it was a rather clever move, since female producers are so rare within this scene, or atleast was in the 90s/2000s. Nowadays I have no clue. :) 

So it was bound to make an impact and get people curious. I just don't understand how the person behind the project thought that live shows could be omitted from the equation? I mean there's no psytrance project of any significance, that doesn't perform live/DJ. So that killed the longevity of the concept pretty fast I think, they should've actually hired a female DJ to front the project/play live. Because I suppose there never was a live show? There was always rumours or rather "legends" of someone knowing someone, who had seen her live. -_-

So taking all this into consideration, it was not just a ghost producer it seems, but also a ghost artist? (whoever the female on the photos is).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RTP    102
On 7/28/2020 at 12:33 PM, nihalar said:

admin @RTP,  Im agree with @AstralSphinx, can you help us to move the thread to general section??  :)

yes - moved by request!

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AstralSphinx    120
24 minutes ago, astralprojection said:

That's creepy dude :unsure:

Just some random image from google :) I googled psynina, and the printscreen showed up, no clue about the context. Nor who took it/or when. I think it might've been from the isratrance thread.

It seems from the printscreen that someone made a joke and changed their facebook name to psynina and changed their profile photo to her. :lol: And those comments are the reaction to this "practictal joke".

Kinda wicked that the isratrance psynina thread spanned from 2005 to 2017 and reached 82 pages lol. A 12 year psy mystery drama. 

*updated*
 

Yup photo/printscreen was from the isratrance forum:

 

F8A1E59E-C167-43C7-8952-121D32A68628.jpeg

 

http://www.psytrance.pl/artist/psyNina/

The photo appears on this polish psytrance site as well.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AstralSphinx    120
44 minutes ago, astralprojection said:

That's creepy dude :unsure:

Or maybe not, I don't know anymore :)

 

B) 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
recursion loop    542

What the story behind that Psynina?

I googled her, found quite a few tracks (listened to a couple, they sounded ok), few different photos of the same girl, few mentions on sites like discogs, psyDB etc and that long isratrance thread.

Why was it alleged that she wasn't real?

  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, AstralSphinx said:

Just some random image from google :) I googled psynina, and the printscreen showed up, no clue about the context. Nor who took it/or when. I think it might've been from the isratrance thread.

It seems from the printscreen that someone made a joke and changed their facebook name to psynina and changed their profile photo to her. :lol: And those comments are the reaction to this "practictal joke".

Kinda wicked that the isratrance psynina thread spanned from 2005 to 2017 and reached 82 pages lol. A 12 year psy mystery drama. 

*updated*
 

Yup photo/printscreen was from the isratrance forum:

 

F8A1E59E-C167-43C7-8952-121D32A68628.jpeg

 

http://www.psytrance.pl/artist/psyNina/

The photo appears on this polish psytrance site as well.

Okay :)

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AstralSphinx    120
2 hours ago, recursion loop said:

What the story behind that Psynina?

I googled her, found quite a few tracks (listened to a couple, they sounded ok), few different photos of the same girl, few mentions on sites like discogs, psyDB etc and that long isratrance thread.

Why was it alleged that she wasn't real?

 

Here is an old thread from 2005 here on psynews:

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
recursion loop    542
7 minutes ago, AstralSphinx said:

Here is an old thread from 2005 here on psynews:

It redirects to the same Isratrance thread

Ok, I guess that's some inside joke or local meme from 15 years ago, not that I really care tho.

 

But now I know NHJO was already around in 2008 :) 

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Back to Plusquam:

I still listen to that Hopefiend album "Out of Know-Ware"

Solid Mark Allen material

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RTP    102
5 hours ago, recursion loop said:

Ok, I guess that's some inside joke or local meme from 15 years ago, not that I really care tho.

Exactly that is what it is - an old, kind of "Psytrance scene meme" ... in my opinion.
We actually had memes before that "meme thing" took off and conquered the whole internet. This was one of them. :)

So, that Psynina thing was a kind of mystery / meme / whatever... until some people did a bit of digging and found very significant signs that it's just Thomas Vitali. It was never fully proven, but neither disproven.
Thomas Vitali apparently was the first who in our scene came up with that "DJane that doesn't exist" idea ... that's how I see it.

Seems there was no real harm done with the Psynina thing ... the other stuff mentioned here might be worth the warning though...

 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
nihalar    9
6 hours ago, RTP said:

Seems there was no real harm done with the Psynina thing ... the other stuff mentioned here might be worth the warning though...

A while ago I read a case about "Psynina" which was booked in the past, including advances of money by part of the organizer, however this project never showed up on the place and date probably for very obvious reasons.

However, you are right that the post does not focus the attention to "Psynina", but to a current and more serious situation, which was discovered by many artists in the present, where there's even exist a private group of victims of such scam and such violations of author rights, that sum more than 100 artists who are completely aware of it, and this, without forgetting the hundreds of artists who are not even aware that their works have been damaged during more than 10 YEARS by this man and in several ways. You'd be surprised how many of those who are aware now, realized the situation many years later. This doesn't take long to explode and It's a pretty grim and bad situation for the responsible, unfortunately for him, but it is a situation that more than sure that will be pursued. In Beatport, for example, many of their record labels under Plusquam have already been banned and you won't find them anymore.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AstralSphinx    120
5 hours ago, nihalar said:

A while ago I read a case about "Psynina" which was booked in the past, including advances of money by part of the organizer, however this project never showed up on the place and date probably for very obvious reasons.

However, you are right that the post does not focus the attention to "Psynina", but to a current and more serious situation, which was discovered by many artists in the present, where there's even exist a private group of victims of such scam and such violations of author rights, that sum more than 100 artists who are completely aware of it, and this, without forgetting the hundreds of artists who are not even aware that their works have been damaged during more than 10 YEARS by this man and in several ways. You'd be surprised how many of those who are aware now, realized the situation many years later. This doesn't take long to explode and It's a pretty grim and bad situation for the responsible, unfortunately for him, but it is a situation that more than sure that will be pursued. In Beatport, for example, many of their record labels under Plusquam have already been banned and you won't find them anymore.

 

Very well written and a quality post for sure, this reminds us of of the gravity of the topic. I hope that the posts about the long-standing meme side of the psynina project, will not distract too much from the serious nature of the latest developments regarding this. Be sure to keep us updated, with how this unfolds.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...