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Hey RTP, Mauro Picotto is not schranz by Darkarbiter's definition, and mine neither.

 

Very few italian producers/DJs spin that kind of aggro techno, namely Andrea Leme and Jamal.

 

Picotto is mainly representing the atrocious hardstyle stuff, which sounds like hard techno coupled with melodies created on a "Fisher Price - my first synthesizer" software...

He has occasional excursions in the realm of techno, some of them being quite amazing, and I evoke the Taotek EP which he produced with Riccardo Ferri, and its title track, which did wonders on dance floors world wide a few years back.

Aha? Hmmm...

I sort of get what you mean if you refer to his hitsingles such as Iguana, Komodo, Proximus, Like This Like That and whatnot ... and actually most of his own output. That's totally right, they are anything but Schranz.

However, the stuff he spins on his DJ gigs, I think there's definitely some Schranz among that...

 

If not, then my definition of Schranz is totally wrong tuned.

But I don't believe that.

 

look at that tracklist: http://www.discogs.com/release/99830 ... I got that CD and it could repersent the tracklist and style of a typical Picotto mix back then.

For example Johannes Heil - The Chains of Babylon is on it ... and that's what you say about that it was classified as Schranz earlier on itself.

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Anyone know Hardcore along Scott Brown lines? Taking Drugs, Neck Breaker, Blue Anthem, Push It, Elysium etc. Darren Styles with Come Running, Your my Angel... I dont expect many of you guys like this but I love it.

 

Trying to find stuff like that, alot of those of youtube. More friendly, trancey hardcore.

 

 

 

"Fisher Price - my first synthesizer" = LMAOterboats

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It's dance music and can be pretty effective at that if done correctly. Fast beats like that can also be trance inducing it's not much different from "psy, goa, whatever" in that way.

 

say you have two ryhthms:

 

trance: 4/4 141bpm (should according to some people connect with the alpha waves in your brain and induce trance)

 

Gabber: 4/4 188bpm (shoud be way to fast for the alpha waves right?)

 

Ok, now play them at the same time... By the time the gabber beat has looped the trance beat will have reached it's 4th beat, we can say that the trance beat is 3/4ths of the gabber beat.

 

or: 188 x (3/4) = 141

 

While playing both beats at the same time you have something called a polyrhythm, this is used a lot in tribal drumming to induce trance. And if you listen to some vodun drums or something you'll notice that many times the speed seems to be more in the range of gabber than trance. But they also have slower elements in the same rhythm that should connect to the alpha waves.

 

This can also be heard in some gabber tracks if you pay attention to the snare, it's not playing every second beat of the kick but rather every second beat of a presumed 3/4 polyrhythm (similar to the "d-beat" used in crust punk), this should allow your alpha waves to connect to the music, but this special relationship between rhythms is also a great way to induce trance. Since it's hard for the brain to keep track of both rhythms this makes it easier to drift away. This should also work if the bass drum is 141bpm and some other rhythmic elements are 188bpm, that should sound like some kind of tribal trance music.

 

So, if you find yourself dancing to gabber sometime, try to count to three by the time the kick beats four times. :)

 

Here's an example i made, i added some gabber drums to one of my tracks listen at 1:25 where the bass drum changes from 141 to 188, im sorry this is not a great example but maybe you'll get the idea i also mixed in a gabber track at the end (Wedlock vs Predator - Get on down) :)

 

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8rchjq

 

actually i think juno reactor has a better example of this in some track, where the kick changes from regular trance tempo to a faster tempo. somewhere on the shango album.

 

 

So who wants to start a gabber project?

 

 

 

 

name suggestions: Skull Fucking Infants, Baby Cunt-Nose, Lord of the ring muscle... :ph34r:

Trance-dance music theory :clapping:

 

some people here are really,really into this shit

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Mostly, I asbolutely hate it. Especially happy hardcore. There is some pretty awesome FINRG out there though which is really well produced. It's still too fast though....

Happy hardcore's the worst. I do like some gabber, though, but mostly in the realm of hardcore I like dark hardcore. Somewhat slower than gabber, just to the techno side of industrial.

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It's dance music and can be pretty effective at that if done correctly. Fast beats like that can also be trance inducing it's not much different from "psy, goa, whatever" in that way.

 

say you have two ryhthms:

 

trance: 4/4 141bpm (should according to some people connect with the alpha waves in your brain and induce trance)

 

Gabber: 4/4 188bpm (shoud be way to fast for the alpha waves right?)

 

sound waves come in Hz

 

 

Alpha Waves are ranged between 8 and 12 Hz

for Delta Waves this should be between 1 and 4 Hz

 

if u want the kick to trigger the alpha channel, you need speedcore with atleast 500 bpm

 

these are some nice trance-inducing fast tracks

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5RXIHxX-QI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZFYMHdvEQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QEZdCEJ_co

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXyLujGkFoQ

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I'm not a fan of Mainstream Gabber, Jumpstyle, Hardstyle ect... but I am adoring some of the stuff that gets released in the Darkcore/Industrial Hardcore sections. Like you all mentioned before in this thread, Hardcore is one of these few electronic styles that gets killed by all the crap that involves cheesy trance synths, monotone kicks and the retarded racist/sexist/nazi vocal samples, but if you look beyond, you'll find that hardcore is pretty much like drum & bass, techno, dubstep and psytrance (varied that is). For quality stuff, you always have to look a little further than you plan to.

 

Here are some youtube clips that I find to be decent:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADtCiE9f8yA

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BFd360PlNs

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Gabber/Hardcore/Speedcore has the worst kick ever!

 

I think it's great when it's powerful and played with good sound system it's good.

 

But everyone has their own taste of music. :P

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