Guest Schallusion Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi, the simple querstion is: how to make cool hi hats we tried several samples yet, but they always sound to normal an simple because they are just recorded. we love the hi hats from space tribe and hallucinogen for example. they sound like being generated with noise or something like that. the hallucinogen hi hats often have a flanger effect on it. maybe you can just tell us how you make hi hats ! thanks Schallusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Can you tell me a specific track, or even better, can you give me a sample of what you are trying to achieve? That way I can work out what you are trying to do Basically, the most used hats out there are from the 808, 909, 707 and 505 (Old trance classics that is). You can manipulate them very good with todays software by stretching them, adding noise, adding filters, adding whatever Oh, and I forgot the 606 There are a lot of other DrumMachines with sometimes even better sounds, but these are the ones mostly used. Generated with Noise, then I can only think of the Korg hats. Korg Open HiHAT Hope that helps for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schallusion Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 hi, first, thank you for the fast answer .. here are some tracks with the spezified hat: space tribe - gods chosen people (the first hat who comes in and the second) hallucinogen - deranger (also the first hi hat which comes in) they sound more like when you say tssss with the englich spoken t in the front and they sound very sharp! Schallusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 hi, first, thank you for the fast answer .. here are some tracks with the spezified hat: space tribe - gods chosen people (the first hat who comes in and the second) hallucinogen - deranger (also the first hi hat which comes in) they sound more like when you say tssss with the englich spoken t in the front and they sound very sharp! Schallusion 211501[/snapback] In the hallucinogen track its 99% a 808 (closed hihat). I have made all of you a little sample pack with 707 808 and 909 samples. check it out here: http://www.esknetlabs.com/audio/707808909.rar Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 i think hihats is one of the things that makes trance boring imo.. tktsstktsstksst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 i think hihats is one of the things that makes trance boring imo.. tktsstktsstksst 211542[/snapback] Can you tell me one track that is not boring then?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiragkotak Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Can you tell me one track that is not boring then?! 211546[/snapback] heeehheh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 sure i could tell many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 sure i could tell many 211587[/snapback] Then tell me one please, I want to hear those psytrance killers without HiHats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Various®Artist© Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Well I cant see any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 its not that there shouldnt be hihats but little bit variation.. hallucinogen astral pancakes has some nice stuff going on just example.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shpongled Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Side note: What Towelie said. I must say that it sounds quite retarded that there is always an open hat exactly in between kick drums and this is the case about 99% trance tracks. Why is that? There are limitless amount of possible grooves but still it always goes Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Boom Tshii Psytrance used to be more playfull back then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spindrift Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 I remember plenty of people had the same opinion in the mid 90's. They got fed up with trance because of straight kicks and hihat. Sure variation can be nice, but the quest for it can make music very boring indeed. Straight hats and kicks work and help you get in to trance, people get off on them. There is nice trance tracks wich is more imaginative partly thanks to more inventive hihat and kicks, but not that many IMO. Most tracks I hear with more intricate drums seems rather stuck in trying to be differnt and does not work so good on the dance floor. There is a lot more nice tracks in my taste that has a bog standard rythm pattern and that relies on other parts of the production to express the creativity. If we would be discussing basslines I would agree that straight bass riffs is uncreative and there is room for a lot more variation and creativity when it comes to that. About the original subject though. One trick to make the hihats more alive is by pitching them slightly with the pitchwheel. Just wiggle it back and foth a bit to make them not sound so straight and sampled. Also like nemo said, try to mix sounds. Try to use for example an 909 sample but cut out the top frequencies with a lowpass. Then add for example a more pure noise sound at the top going thru a highpass. You can also like mentioned modulate them using a flanger or phaser. Gating, compression , lofi plugins or reverb can all be very useful for hats as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schallusion Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 hi, thanks for the tips and the sample kit we try to do best with this. do you know a vst-plugin clone of tr-909/808/707 or something like that? we dont't want to buy hardware in present. another question is: do you use step sequencers, such thr drum synths have integrated. or do you use piano bars, espescialy when you combine a sample with a noise generator. THX Schallunsion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
age of panic Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Straight hats and kicks work and help you get in to trance, people get off on them. 211608[/snapback] wise words Not everything needs to be "continuously altered" when making a track... You need those "straight" parts that keep you rockin steady ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shpongled Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 wise words Not everything needs to be "continuously altered" when making a track... You need those "straight" parts that keep you rockin steady ;P 211662[/snapback] Of course they don't need to be "continuously altered" but the pattern/rhythm itself can be something different than "Boom Tshi Boom Tshi". For example Hallucinogen is (was) constantly doing other than "Boom Tshi" and people seem to love his music. And he also does a lot of other weird stuff with percussion and I have never heard anybody complain that Hallucinogen is hard to dance... quite the opposite.. it's fun... go figure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Of course they don't need to be "continuously altered" but the pattern/rhythm itself can be something different than "Boom Tshi Boom Tshi". For example Hallucinogen is (was) constantly doing other than "Boom Tshi" and people seem to love his music. And he also does a lot of other weird stuff with percussion and I have never heard anybody complain that Hallucinogen is hard to dance... quite the opposite.. it's fun... go figure... 211696[/snapback] Groove Quantize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowe Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 to make hihats is all about imagination :> i think atleast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electronist Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I use Drumkit from hell, and put them in Battery-"sampler"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgranber Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 here are some tracks with the spezified hat: space tribe - gods chosen people (the first hat who comes in and the second) hallucinogen - deranger (also the first hi hat which comes in) they sound more like when you say tssss with the englich spoken t in the front and they sound very sharp! without listening to your examples, i can say hihats usually sounds very sharp and clear because of having their own sonic space in a mix where no other frequencies interfere. when mixing, try to use a combination of hi-pass filters and dipping of mid frequencies to achieve a thinner and crisper sound. many ppl tend to not eq out the mids from hihats but rather turn down the volume to make room for other instruments, but u will then no longer have any sparkle and the hihats will probably be buried in the mix. do you know a vst-plugin clone of tr-909/808/707 or something like that? we dont't want to buy hardware in present. I use Wizoo's Platinum24 Electronic Drums Sample CD. High quality samples from Roland's venerable TR-808 and TR-909 drum machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 white noise + hipass filter and if you want to have some real fun a parametric eg with a real fine bandwith slid through the high band 2Khz to 10Khz to give it a litttle picht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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