Classic Goa Trance basses/leads/FX recreated in modern software

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On 12/16/2021 at 2:53 PM, Magus Knight said:

 

Absolutely brutal sound for a digital one. I’m thinking of getting a NL1, only had the NL2 and NL3 long ago. When he demos the osc sync+FM it sounds instantly like some early Psysex or something from the Flying Rhino VA Air Born. I’ve been trying to recreate the characteristic squidgy nord lead sound on a couple of VA plugins. Sylenth gets close on some lfo fx sounds, and Dune quite close for HP leads. I don’t have the Disco DSP. Anyone found any other plugin that gets close filter wise?

 

I have a Nord as rack version it is quite cool / fun to play around with... can recommend. But maybe a bit outdated these days (if one believes that something like outdated even exists re. music instruments :P)

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42 minutes ago, Parasphere said:

Work in progress inspired by Hallucinogen and Psychaos, I tried to recreate some of the classical sounds, SH-101, MS-20, and the old school leads/pads/FX etc.

 

Pretty much spot on, can really feel the Hallucinogen vibe!

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@Parasphere

very cool sounds. how did you make the lead at 0:54 ? sound just like the trancespotter lead. the squareish bassline is nice and reminds me alot of MFG - peaceful relaxation. in fact i think its even the same key  and very similar pattern. those octave jumps are delicious. only thing i dont quite feel is the kick but thats subjective.

the watery "snare", aswell as the hihats, are also on point. impressive stuff.

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@Paraspherecool but how did you make that lead at 0:54? curious about that one! print screen of your ms-20 maybe?

 

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@Parasphere

well i dont think it really matters what synth it was, any sound can be recreated in basically any other synth. look forward to the print screen, and i intend to make it in retrologue.

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I don't think either of those sound exactly the same, it was the one you used in the track above at 0.54. They both sound similar though.

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22 hours ago, Parasphere said:

This one? Don't mind the clicky envelope.  I'm not sure what synth the CL Highpass is based on, but it's very similar to the MS-20 HP or a bit like the Nord Lead perhaps, very squidgy.

LD Booh!

 

 

 

Yes that's the one  so it's a dune 3 patch? 

Yes I assume the lfo is a big part of the sound. 

Thanks 

 

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Yep. But definitely every sound except drums and fx. Arturia acid looks cool, hope there's a demo. 

7 days time limit? 4 min track length? 

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Okay. But 7 days from when you start, not 7 days from now.. Just limit yourself to 7days and 4 mins. 

I did found a "demo" version of arturia acid so I'm gonna use that.

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Parasphere said:

Headphones mix first test drive with the Arturia Acid V:

 

Sounds promising. 

I don't remember about my profile picture, I didn't draw the lines myself, probably found a decent template and then worked on that. 

But that's nothing compared to your designs they are always looking awesome... Hope you're selling your services cause you should. Also you sound a bit manic 🫠

 

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7 hours ago, Parasphere said:

Yes haha I began drinking coffee yesterday after a two month decaf. Needless to say the coffee has that effect on my hyper-active brain.  

Let me know when you've tried out the Arturia Acid V. Interested to see what you think about it, it had some pretty cool factory presets to get an idea of the possibilities. It even had one preset witch might be a Goa inspired one named: Transwave.

As for the Photoshop/AI stuff, it's only a hobby of mine. I studied a lot of graphics design, animation, and photo related subjects. Things are changing so rapidly right now in that field, that I'm not even sure were the business side of it is heading. With the ample opportunities the AI-field in particular has opened for everyone to create their own stuff instead of paying some person for graphics design/photo studio. Although the quality is obviously all over the place. Back in the day I used to do posters for Psy/Goa parties. Now a days I'm not connected to the scene as I used to be.

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How does this Dark Melodic sketch sound? Old school Talpa + Infected Mushroom research/inspo:
Parasphere-Casper(Remix)

yeah AI in terms of graphic stuff is really a bummer. you can just type in what you want and it will create it. i imagine it killed lots of indie artists with that one

the casper thing sounded very nice except bassline and kick. replace that with a darker kick and a machinegun bassline and it would sound really good i think. love all that hallucinogen vibes. but kick and bassline do not fit with it, imho.

 

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2 hours ago, Parasphere said:

Could try that, do you mean like old Psykovski kinda bass? Link some  song with that type of bassline/kick. And I'll check it out. ^^

maybe something like 

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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuiLuyVW-H0&list=RDMMFuiLuyVW-H0&t=57s) 

 

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no in this case theres no octave jumps. just straight Kbbb.  Yeah the kick is very basic

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its very likely its an eventide preset. but yep, its a reverse reverb. most reverb units have a preset like that. 

i guess the reverb unit has to have lots of lookahead (delay), i guess sometimes its called pre-delay? tbh im not that familar. im sure the more common reverb plugins have such a thing these days. valhalla for example. 

 

edit: no, pre-delay is simply the time it takes for the reverb to start. so has nothing to do with it. who knows how reverse reverbs work. 🫠

[acid being]

I would like to figure out how Sheyba did their leads.

I saw someone said they used an Alpha Juno 1. But the waveforms of the lead in Ancient Lands look like they're based on triangle waves to me, and I thought the Juno 1 could only do combinations of sawtooth and square waves.

The big triangular waves could be the LFO - I'd have to check the frequencies to know. But the smaller, higher frequency waves look kind of symmetrical to me too like little triangles.

Is it a different synth?

Update: I've more or less figured it out. On the Juno 1 some of the sawtooth waveforms have lots of little peaks. They're not really triangular, more sinusoidal, especially at lower VCF Cutoffs. With the VCF Resonance turned up high, I'm starting to get something sounding a bit like their leads.

Edited January 25, 2024 by acid being
Figured it out.

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1 hour ago, Parasphere said:

Can you link which track you're referring to? If I remember correctly from some interview Sheyba used Jupiter-8, SH-101 and TB-303 a lot for leads and stuff. Probably Juno-106 too, not sure. But I wouldn't exclude the Alpha Juno from the equation either. Do you mean like the lead in Ganesh for example?

I think it is in Ganesh as well but my main reference was Ancient Lands. It's the synth that first appears about 3:30 and is playing solo (well, almost) at 5:28:

When I first started writing my earlier comment, I think I was looking at the waveform at a point where there were other sounds playing and getting confused.

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14 hours ago, Parasphere said:

I love this track! Yeah it can be difficult to get a good isolated piece of a track. Also can be very difficult for example with Jupiter-8 since it has X-Mod which can shape the waveform quite a lot. And also the OSC waveform mixer on the SH-101 etc. Anyways I sometimes when I play around, I'm often getting a "oh that sounds a lot like Sheyba leads" when playing with simple oriental melodies on those abovementioned plugin emulations.

And also when just using an oriental midi melody to audiorealism bassline, instead of using its internal sequencer. The simplicity of that and other Roland filters nails the sound IMO. With some lush reverb.

Yeah it would definitely make my top 20 Goa trance tracks at the moment. Sheyba / Elysium have the best rhythms and I love the way it builds up.

Thanks for the tips. I'll keep playing with plugins - you've given me some good ideas. I was some of the way there before but then I got diverted into making music. 

I wouldn't want an exact duplicate of the lead anyway, just to recapture some of that lovely warm, bright, squishiness. If I had to describe it, I would say it sounds like a thousand glowing chocolate oranges caught some rays of sunshine and partially melted, sent tumbling, rolling, curling up on themselves and gurgling into a puddle of pure bliss! Yes, it's a great lead!

 

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22 hours ago, Parasphere said:

@acid beingPlaying around some with NitzhoGoa, not final just headphones mix, tried to make a "Sheybaish" type acid lead in the beginning. I used Dune3 for the leads and Spire + AudioRealism Bassline.

 

Nice arrangement. I think you're some of the way there with the Sheybaish sound. It sounded a little sort of thinner but that's probably just my terrible laptop speakers - I need to repair my headphones!

EDIT: My comment was about an earlier video you put up. If there were two, I only heard the first.

What waveforms are you using for the lead is it a saw?

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3 hours ago, Parasphere said:

@acid being try listening to the Sheyba type lead now, it's the first one at 0.26, the rest are more Mystica/Nitzhogoa type leads

 

Nice work That sounds really close to the Sheyba lead - do you mind sharing what shape waveforms you used?

It's a nice mystical feeling track.