Guest adrenachrome Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Just think: when goa started in 92-93, songs were mostly below 120 BPM, then they bacame around 120-130 and about ten years later it's more in the 140-150 level... If we continue this way, by 2010 we should have a BPM average of... 170-180!!! Think that will be possible? SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 The question is not if it's possible but if you really wan't that? I am sure I won't but maybe the E heads disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adrenachrome Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 he he, just tried listening to some psy tracks pitched up to around 180 BPM... sounds cool!! Can't wait!!! SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soem aeld Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 I know one great track that is 180 BPM fast! It's kinda slow-fast.. the drums are in 180 but some melodies aren't.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shameless Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Errr, no way dude. What a stupid topic. The 135-150 bpm speed is what makes trance what it is...its not gonna change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zero the Hero Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Our pace is the same as the pace of life now, faster and harder. times are changing....music is changing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Uh, shameless, it's not a stupid topic, and if 135 - 150 bpm is what makes trance what it is, what happens to a lot of the trance produced before '95 or so? Stops becoming trance? Actually, writing goacore was an idea I toyed around with for a while. Seems like it'd be a lot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==Miles==-- Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Exploring the speed limit in techno and trance has already been done in GABBA which was the electronic equivalent of grindcore and thrashmetal back then, including all the cliches: many skulls, stupid samples, wrong people showing up at parties... U might want to check some out though: some stuff mixes some gr8 acid through the crazy BPMs. (Solar Quest-AcidAirRaid & Choci-DeathtoAmbient come to mind...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akindo Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Research on human states of trance has found that beats between 142-148 per minute (varies depending on individual person) put humans in this trance state. Therefore, if they are faster or slower, we don't go in the same trance state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ming Lee Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 i think the BPM is just going all the time. there will always be full on tracks but the average BPM of these are at 145 tops nowdays. the exploration of fast tracks has came to some end especially with all the minimal vibe going on ,which most of it is pretty slow. so i beleieve the scene is slowly going back to it's good ol' 120-130 territory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adrenachrome Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 My comments... "I know one great track that is 180 BPM fast! It's kinda slow-fast.. the drums are in 180 but some melodies aren't.." WHICH ONES???? I'd like to listen to some... "Our pace is the same as the pace of life now, faster and harder. times are changing....music is changing..." Well, that was pretty much my point of view too "Actually, writing goacore was an idea I toyed around with for a while. Seems like it'd be a lot of fun."... interesting concept, try some and send me a sample when you're done!! "Exploring the speed limit in techno and trance has already been done in GABBA".. NOT TRUE!!!! I can tell you, and I know what I'm speaking of cause I was into gabba a few years ago, those "ultra-fast" gabba tracks you're probably referring to are around 145-155 BPM, just like goatracks our days!! AND, with new-school, BPMs are actually lower!! (120-130) Yes, I know there are some experimental gabba tracks with "peaks" of 1000 BPMs, but usually that's not the case. Even terror/speedcore is rarely above 160... Of course, this should be the point where I should mention that not only the BPM rate makes a track seem fast... "Research on human states of trance has found that beats between 142-148 per minute "... well, can't argue with that since I didn't really do a study... BUT maybe it's just a matter of getting used to it... I mean, 140-150 BPM is the range of music our days, but maybe if this study was made in the early 90s, the "perfect" beat would've been at 120-130 ? The main idea IMO is that people end up getting used to a higher BPM-rate so they always want something faster (sorta like when you want to hear lound music and end up cranking it up untill you've reached max but still feel you want it a bit louder) "i think the BPM is just going all the time"..; don't know about that one, but it seems a valid supposition... after all, this is what happened to gabber a few years ago... SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest phaeton Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 interesting to see moondancer talking out of his arse ... "most gabber tracks are 145 bpm and nowadays they're 120 bpm" right .. so you mean most gabber is slower than psytrance? i think you have no idea what you're talking about, most gabber is somewhere in between 175 and 230 bpm ... anyway i think this whole thread is pretty pointless because if you listen closely to the music coming out these days you'll notice that, especially the progressive and morning stuff, is slower than it used to be a few years ago ... i haven't heard that many 150 bpm tracks coming out lately (only thing that comes in mind right now is droidsect), and if you think everything was slower in '96 i suggest you to have a listen to oood - rifa ... which is still a lot slower than most gabber, but extremely fast for goa, and because of its psychedelic structure also a lot more energetic than the faster mindless gabber crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Too bad "rifa" pretty much sucks as a track... "silence" is much much better and fast too. Ok, this post has nothing to do with the actual topic. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest morphing goat ranch Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 yah i got sick of rifa quicktime. there will be high BPM goa/psy in the future! definatly. the spirit of the music includes experimentation and that definatly means different song speeds! if you can't imagine well produced high BPM psychedelic music i don't blame you - i can't think of any examples... but use that creative noggin of yours and maybe you'll get an idea - it is possible, plausable, and will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adrenachrome Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Yo, phaeton: don't f*ck with me man!! I KNOW what I'm talking about!!!!! If you don't believe me, listen to some new school through a BPM counter and tell me what number you read. The ONLY hardcore style that is a faster than before is terror/speedcore and, like I said, even that is not as high as 180BPM... well, with some exceptions like Thousand by Moby (1000BPM!!! -- yes, it's true!!). Of course, it all depends if you consider the BPM rate the average of the song or just the "peaks" when it speeds up... in that case, you may be right with the 175-230 BPM... Well, peace to everybody, I like your points of views. SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 if it stops at around 145-150 that would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey - 604 Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 hardcore is mostly faster then 160, most of the time some older stuff was 180, and terror was above 200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adrenachrome Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 Wierd... maybe my BPM counter is fucked up, then? Or maybe we just don't listen to the same songs?? Well, anyway, peace out!! SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 Shpongle stays pretty relaxed...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 Hmm...I don't know if it's new or old gabba, but the stuff that's played here isn't that fast (I have no BPM counter at clubs, but I know that the music feels relatively slow for gabba). One thing that makes gabba sound fast is that each beat is equally emphasized, whereas for goa it's often every other beat. As far as speeds, I know that for one speedcore party, the flier stated "all songs over 200 bpm", but I don7t know if that's the exception or the rule. As far as it having been done before: yes, high BPMs have been done with gabba / speedcore, but not with goa (or, rather, not much). I will say that Shpongle played over a software DJ program which allows 80% speed increases sounds really, really fucking weird and kinda good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 Two edits: the software actually only pitches up 52% (PCDJ Red), and: pretty much everything sounds cool at that speed! Pity that it doesn't preserve the original scale, because you lose a lot of the low end...but try listening to Hallucinogen sped up really fast, and you'll discover that even if it doesn't put you in a trance, it sounds awesome. Especially Jiggle of the Sphinx. By the way, Shpongle slowed down by 52% makes you feel kinda ill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuser Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Just think: when goa started in 92-93, songs were mostly below 120 BPM, then they bacame around 120-130 and about ten years later it's more in the 140-150 level... If we continue this way, by 2010 we should have a BPM average of... 170-180!!! Think that will be possible? SMI²LE 8018[/snapback] Yes it's possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ov3rdos3 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Just think: when goa started in 92-93, songs were mostly below 120 BPM, then they bacame around 120-130 and about ten years later it's more in the 140-150 level... If we continue this way, by 2010 we should have a BPM average of... 170-180!!! Think that will be possible? SMI²LE 8018[/snapback] This is 4 years old. And frighteningly prophetic and acurate. There are already Dark Psy tunes in the 160's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phobium Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 This is 4 years old. And frighteningly prophetic and acurate. There are already Dark Psy tunes in the 160's. 439350[/snapback] What about goa tunes from 95-98 in 150-160 bpm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpi Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I think it won´t reach 180bpms because I can´t see how it should be possible to get into a state of trance (while dancing) at that speed. And besides that it probably would sound like sh*t!! 150-160bpms is already fast enough I´d say, if not too fast already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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