TranceVisuals

Never said they were commonly used in Indian/Oriential traditions, which is like you said, a common fallacy. I was mere pointing out that there were natural plant-spirits of that order commonly available in the locale (India in this case) for the "initiated". Thank the universe for the Occidental tradition, and my native heritage of getting high on anything and everything available as both a cultural and spiritual pursuit.

I've had comparable experiences between various forms of fungi, lsd and dmt. LSD traditionally is seen more as a tool, maybe because of its manufactured/discovered nature, maybe it is cultural imprinting. DMT didn't produce longer stronger experiences in my experience, you can dose up on mushrooms (and to a lesser extent LSD) in a way you can't with DMT due to its brevity. Rather it is like the whole 12-14+ mushroom trip in an 30min-1hr. All in my experience of course, and yours may be totally different. Question, do you know Goa Gil personally? BTW Magic mushrooms don't grow out of cow shit were I come from. There is a hell of a lot of bind-weed in India which can be a soure of lysergic amines.

This track came from my copy of Suntrance Vol. 2, (Track 2), which I brought just for this track.

This track is very special to me, and I think is seminal in the history of psytrance, so I was chuffed that Colin okay'd me making a video for it. Fuck Neo-Goa-Psy-Wanky-Full-Dark-Whipped-Fondant-Centre-Public-School-Trance.... This imho is some of what it was all about.... NOW COMMENCE YOUR MEDITATION.

I can't speak for anyone else, and I am not a musician, but I am a psychedelic VJ/artist, and having been performing since 1999 at psychedelic/psytrance parties/nights/festivals. For the first 3-4 years, I wouldn't perform unless I had a "heroic dose", as I thought it was the right thing to do. I am at a psychedelic party, performing psychedelic graphics, to (nominally) psychedelic music, with psychedelic inspired art/decor, with people mosbunal taking psychedelics... Hmmmm seemed the most wonderful and natural thing in the world. Then I found out that most DJs can't mix or do jack-shit whilst on LSD/mushrooms, and infact most of them wouldn't take anything till after they performed, so concerned was their "ego" about their "performance" ;D And infact most of them didn't take psychedelic anymore, at least this was of the pioneers around the turn of the millenia. A lot of the "pioneers" were also scared of damaging their reputation if it became common knowledge that there didn't really do psychedelic anymore. So I kind lost interest after a while, as it didn't seem as much fun and worthwhile, and less and less people on the dancefloor where taking psychedelics anway, till by about 2003 it had mostly been driven out of the club/nights, to only outdoor/festival occasions, this was in the UK, in my experience. I do them less thesedays, and not at all recently, mostly due to being a full time dad, but in a few years when they have grown up a little more, I look forward to knocking back some mushroom tea and hurtling through the cosmos, and updating myself on what been going on in hyperspace in my absence, and maybe get some new inspiration for graphics. P.s. The above isn't how it is, just how I experience and remembered it.

I wish you would slow down a little bit, and take the time to meditate/contemplate by silencing the internal dialogue, and perhaps imagining what it is you wish to accomplish. Dialogue/conversations are like waves, they don't happen all-at-once, so give conversation/dialogue a chance, be patient, listen to others, explain very very carefully why you write what you do, expect to be misunderstood but don't take it personally, and above realise that experiences and things that maybe be obviously, just so to you, aren't necessarily for other people. And please try and not confuse your opinion/experiences/thoughts for "how it is™". As Korzybski pointed out "the map is not the territory."

Me for one. If you understood, and had actually read the books/scriptures and dialogues(which is ongoing) and had some real mystical experiences, then you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss its connection with psychedelics/higher(sic) states of consciousness etc. Sure you might not be interested, but don't slander and put down those of us who are.

You definately mad bro!

For me the classification of psy/goatrance is phenomenologically based. It either works, and is conducive to being high, or doesn't. Most noticeably when on heroic doses, certain tracks/artists sound more interesting/resonant than others. The clearest example was listening to Ott on DMT and it sounded shit, whilst as soon as Mystical Experiences by TIP replaced it, the mood utterly changed, and was conducive to the experience, which was an observation shared with others present. It certainly wasn't what I expected, as Ott had sounded pretty amazing in a stoned headset. I guess really for me, the music is phenomenologically/experiencially based, rather than by labels, and tags which have just led to me to be disappointed. Someone earlier in the thread said about "no rules", how about "no labels" which seems more psychedelic than calling it goa or whatnot.

U mad bro?

The quote is "Flow my tears, the Policeman said." Which is my favourite P.K. Dick book.

Neti Neti!

The fact you presume to know me better than myself makes you a bit of an idiot in my book. But hey, carry on with your assumptions, and reality tunnel, confusing the map for the territory. Those who can, do.

I am staring at a flyer from the 2005, from a night called Alien Resonance with the words "SCI-TRANCE" emblazoned across it. There is another from Planet Zogg, with "Hyperdelic Trance" on it, and another from Sunrise with "Slighty-delic Trance" on it. Or a flyer from Otherworld, with "A night of Dance, Trance and Magic Plants" on it. I have dozen of other flyers from the north UK stretching back to the mid-90's with almost ever conceivable description for the music/event possible. Did any of these terms matter...... Nope not really. I think your "preoccupation" with labels is a bit pedantic, and a complete waste of time. Leave it to historians to argue over the terms and definitions, and get out there and participate, imho.

I remember the conversations like yesterday ('95-'96ish) I had with my friends as we tripped on phrygian caps discussing the music we listened to, and the problem we had describing it to people we were introducing it to as. Describing it as drug/high music didn't seem to work well. We thought the term goa-trance a misnomer, as none had been the psytrance, and in fact nearly everyone we know hadn't been there either, and neither we any of likely to go anytime soon as we weren't part of the public school trustafarians crew. We liked the term trance, as it described the activity which we engaged, with body and/or mind. However rather than goa, as we also thought the idea of going elsewhere and partying a bit ungroovey, rather than making were one was groovey, the term psychedelic seemed a much better fit. As at the time and location in the far north of england, it was a scene catergorised by psychedelic usage, driven around the local magic mushrooms, and creative industry that had lingered underground in the region since the 60's. Such as the FullMoon Magic Mushroom Parties in the 70-80's. So rather than goa-trance, we started to call it psychedelic trance, it described what we did quite nicely, and shortly it became abbreviated down to psytrance. It came to us as no surprise, a matter of the synchronicity of the times, that the term psytrance became wide spread and popular in the wider community. Anyway that is just my story and perspective on things, and why I(we) used to call it psy(chedelic) trance back-in-the-day™.

So what are your other music projects?

Well "trance visuals" are all three of the above. I feel this urge (demi-urge?) to create or replicate my experiences when high, or rather to contextualise my experiences, to share them. I hope that in doing this I might resonace with people who might be able to help alleviate my poverty. The love sustains me when I get no gigs, no paid work, and let down by people I thought were friends. And thanks for the lovely comment, little sentences like that make me feel warm inside in the absence of the material reward.

Being high drives a lot of what I do. Poverty also is a determining factor in a lot of what I do, though I wish it weren't. Probably the greatest drive for me is love.

76:14 Global Communication arrived in the post today. I hadn't heard it in nearly six years before the missus turned up my tape copy from before the millenia when cleaning out a cupboard last week. Naturally it inspired me to find it on CD, and I look forward to chilling out with this vintage masterpiece at my leisure and highness.

Listen to it last night. Not too bad, more space-forming than shpongle, but definately worth a few more listens.

Never really heard any FSOL or paid attention to them before this thread. I probably have heard a few tunes of theirs over the years, and certainly I recognise the name, but i've never sat down and listened to any album. So I went out and brought Lifeforms, which hopefully I will hear tonight. It will be interesting to hear it, I think.

Very expensive for what it is, imho. Once I might of wanted it, but now I think it is a bit sad in some senses. Just seems to be about the money, more and more as time goes on.

Thanks for the heads up, still haven't had a chance to listen to Lifeforms yet, but if I like it, I will add Dead Cities to the to buy list.

On the recommendation of this forum, or at least the Sphongle vs FSOL thread, I brought myself a copy of FSOL Lifeforms. Haven't heard it yet, but will later when the missus and kid go out and I can get into a groovey headstate.

Thanks for the lovely words, Janet. Been a long time, hope all is fine and funky with you.