Empty Space

Funny, Canada or the USA for that matter won't get mentioned... because there IS NO psy scene here! Just makes me laugh..... we're not a country of ground-breaking musicians, except for the odd one or two (Skinny Puppy, Frontline Assembly, Ritchie Hawtin, Rush, The Who, Voivoid, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen some of our more prominent artful musicians) And Kristian a psytrance producer?! Who'd've thought? You know what's kind of funny? I've never heard any of your tracks, Kris.... I just knew you made some classic psy albums, but I haven't gotten around to giving them a listen... It's not that I think bad of you or anything, I dunno I guess I ought to go listen to some of your stuff eh

I like some of his scary stuff.... He does it better than most psy artists, but at the same time, I think, after a while of listening to his tracks, he's a bit over-rated... not saying he's not good, just not as good as some make him out to be

Xenomorph is pretty good but for some reason I never liked Cassandra's Nightmare.... it seemed very hit-and-miss

Shit! Short notice dude… does it cost$ to go?

ROTF! ØψήΣΔ

Andreas get on skype

I dunno if it ever made me cry (maybe shed one tear ) was the live version of Third Eye by Tool on the Salival box set CD It's super-long and it has this long spoken-word intro by Bill Hicks, then tons of feedback, then it just slips into the melody.... great lyrics, crazy intense screaming by Maynard James Keenan..... Amazing guitarwork... the drumming is sensational.... the song keeps morphing and changing, it's hyper-psychedelic..... it progresses from psychedelic freak-out metal jams into these passionate, emotional lyrics, and then the final guitar solo is just beyond incredible.... gives me goose bumps EVERY TIME! I wish they woulda played it when I saw them live... but oh well, guess I'll never see it live personally...

Is that track only on that album though? Is it really new Hallucinogen? All these Hallucinogen live performances make me think we'll see another Hallucinogen album sometime in the next couple years

There's too many all-time... People forget Juan Atkins & Kevin Saunderson for the original techno movement Einsturzende Neubauten, Skinny Puppy for industrial/dark heavy beats and "found sound" (using recorded sounds in rhythmic strctures, warping recorded ambiance, etc etc) Throbbing Gristle (for sure, a hugely influential group) Psychic TV (their influence on acid house was huge at one point) Cabaret Voltaire (influential on industrial and techno) Brian Eno Even David Bowie, with his Berlin trilogy And then also The Beastie Boys could be credited as well, for their 80's records (especially Paul's Boutique) & The Dust Brothers for production Afrika Bambataa Gary Numan for the synth pop style

It's a really busy July this year! So now for July, the camping festivals include: WEMF (World Electronic Music Festival) July 8-10 (Friday to Sunday) near Orangeville, Ont. Headliners include Rabbit In The Moon (w/ VJ Tek), Mixmaster Mike (of the Beastie Boys), ASTRAL PROJECTION, DJ Hype Tickets (for entire 3 days) $75 B4 June 15 $90 B4 July 8 $120 At the gate cheaper tix for 2-day only stay NorthTek (Teknival) July 14-18 (Thursday to Monday) near Bancroft, Ont. Headliners not yet announced Free admission Eclipse July 29-31 (Friday to Sunday) near Montreal, Que. Headliners include THE DELTA, TALAMASCA, SPIRALLIANZ vs. MIDI MILIZ and others Tickets $55 June $65 July $85 at the gate Time will tell if I end up going to all of these but I'd sure like to! So anyone else going to any of the above festivals?

Teknival 2005 Well I haven't been to Teknival, but consider going this summer, it's in July, which is already going to be JAM-PACKED with good festivals to go to, if you live in/near Ontario and Quebec. So it begins on July 14th, which is a Thursday, and ends on the following Monday, the 18th. Some things of note: No entrance/ticket fee No limit to capacity NO TOILETS WILL BE OFFERED ON THE LAND (there is a section about burying your own poop on the website!) If anyone is going and driving up, any lifts into town (Bancroft) I could get would be appreciated, to have that trip to the bathroom... I'm sorry but I'm not one to just squat and take a dump in the woods... The DJ's/live acts are not listed, BUT there is a list of the collectives that are going, so you can sort of get an idea of what to expect (half the links for the individual collective's sites didn't work... )

I think I really like the way that the voting results show. You've got one range of people who give it 9 and 10, then a lot of people who give it a 6, and it overall reads like a cool chart They ought to do this for all the reviews!!!!!

Wow, I didn't know anyone outside of Toronto cared about Legion Of Green Men. Not that I think they're great or anything, they're alright, definitely not my kind of music....

It would have had an IDM-ish feel to it regardless of Otto. If you've listened at all to Download, cEvin Key (1/2 of Skinny Puppy)'s major SP side-project, you'll find it's very dark techno/IDM/industrial style music, and also the last SP album (The Process) had some major techno influences as well. Everyone here who is a fan of techno, industrial & IDM should listen tocEvin Key's side projects, it's absolutely great music! He's one of my absolute favourite electronic artists, he pulls off every genre flawlessly, going through hard industrial/noisecore, breaks, IDM, techno, minimal, and above all his work has always been hyper-psychedelic.... Anyone interested should check out Download - The Eyes Of Stanley Pain (1996) One of the most forward-thinking industrial albums ever, it's frggin' amazing, and it still sounds ahead of it's time now. Very noisy and industrialish Download - III (1997) Much less noisey than TEOSP, it's much more in a prog-house-techno -ambient style, almost no industrial elements at all. Normally I hate prog but this album is utterly fantastic!

The new Skinny Puppy album (The Greater Wrong Of The Right) doesn't sound like their older work very much. It's a lot more upbeat, less harsh, more melody, more of a techno/drill&bass/alternative sound to it than industrial thumping/distortion... I dunno it's pretty hard to describe it! But it's one of the best industrial albums from the last 3 years... It's REALLY expensive though Haven't seen it for less than $27-28 (Cdn) anywhere....

Oh yeah baby! You know the stuff Listen to the latest Skinny Puppy album RAH? Pretty good, one of their best albums...

I was gonna include Autechre in my list actually.... but decided that, for IDM-kinda stuff Aphex Twin sufficed... Personally I don't really like them at all, their old more straightforward stuff was good, but that really abstract music they started to make a few years back was really unlistenable And not all the bands I put in my list, I enjoy... I'm not a fan of Underworld, not a big fan of New Order, or Massive Attack either... Personally I love stuff like the old Meat Beat Manifesto But they definitely aren't among the most influential out there...

Maybe Eurotrance is only super-popular over in Europe (Thank fucking god; we already have happy hardcore, do we need worse?)

Oh, of course! Stupid me....

BTW props for mentioning Plastikman and Ritchie Hawtin earlier in the thread, he is one of the best techno producers ever! And he's friggin Canadian too hehehe

My 7? For modern electronica sounds? OK.... I'll try In no particular order: New Order was one of the most influential club-dance bands, while still retaining a somewhat 'rock' edge to their sound. Originally one of the founding goth-rock bands as Joy Division (which were a huge influential figure in their own right until the suicide of their singer), they wrote songs that were instantly danceable and memorable, yet contained intricate synth, bass and drumming sequences (for their time). Though they never seemed sure if they wanted to go rock or house, they had a big hand in introducing people to the rave scene going on in England in the late 80's. Key albums: Power, Corruption and Lies (1983), Substance (1987), Technique (1989) Depeche Mode were perhaps the first true megastar synth band. They reached massive sales and influence all across the world and in countless bands, genres, styles and trends. Starting off as a light, fluffy synth-pop band and evolving throughout the 80's into a musical tour-de-force, and carrying much of that momentum into the 90's, delving into industrial, ambient and electro sounds. They also had a hand in popularizing the remix, as they've always flooded the market with various versions of singles, remix albums, promo-only tracks, etc. Key albums: Violator (1990), Ultra (1998), The Singles 81-85 (1998), The Singles 86-98 (1998) Aphex Twin was one of the first major stars of the 90's electronica scene, while his sales figures never reached star levels, the Richard D. James name became a trademark of quality, whether it was a release under one of his many side projects, or a remix. While his style tended to develop towards the IDM & drill&bass style over time, his music always remained varied, unpredictable, and immaculately crafted. Key albums: Selected Ambient Works 85-92 (1993), Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2 (1994), Classics (1995), Richard D. James Album (1996) Underworld fused many styles currently reigning the club scene when they were each blossoming into their own genres, and brought them into the mainstream. Techno, acid house, progressive, dub, and trance were all thrown into the mix. Underworld hit a high point scoring a worldwide hit with Born Slippy from the Trainspotting soundtrack. Although the quality of the group's music tapered off, mostly due to the loss of longtime producer Darren Emerson, their old albums are still used as a blueprint for the most standard sounds in club music. Key albums: Dubnobasswithmyheadman (1993), Second Toughest In The Infants (1996), 1992-2002 (2003) Prodigy were the group that made techno popular-more popular than it had perhaps ever been. Fusing the attitude and fashion of punk rock with hard Detroit-styled techno, the Prodigy scored major mainstream success in the late 90's, after slowly but surely building up fanbase in the UK. Though after a major break the band had lost its verility, the old Prodigy albums are still a massive influence on much harder techno and jungle. Key albums: Experience (1992), Music For The Jilted Generation (1995), The Fat Of The Land (1997) The Orb is easily the biggest, most influential figure in ambient music today. They popularized many styles in the movement, from ambient house/trance to ambient-dub. Influenced largely by Brian Eno and the rave scene of the late 80's, Alex Patterson went on to create some of the most recognizable ambient house anthems of the 90's. Key albums: Orb's Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld (1991), U.F. Orb (1992), Orblivion (1997) Massive Attack was the most influential trip-hop band, almost single-handedly popularizing a style woven together from hiphop, dub, jazz, and soul. While the style became somewhat demonized by the late-90's due to lack of original artists, Massive Attack not only led the way for other trip-hop artists, but also influenced countless other bands around the world. Key albums: Bluelines (1991), Protection (1994), Mezzanine (1998) Chemical Brothers are my 8th choice. Last but not least. Guess I just couldn't keep it to 7, huh? Well what can be said about the Bros.? They've dipped their fingers in a ton of styles, from rock to big beat to techno to hiphop to trip hop to house to tribal, they've scored major club and radio hits, and have influenced an entire generation of clubbers, and the new generation continues to be influenced by them. Ehhh screw a career summary, just listen to the fucking albums Key albums: Exit Planet Dust (1995), Dig Your Own Hole (1997), Singles 93-03 (2003) Wow... this was hard! Hope someone learned something from it.

Humm I'm not a huge fan of the whole Legion of Green Men thing (I think they're kind of overrated in these here parts, no offence to the guys or anything) Freeworm is great Waitasec are you doing this and darkrave? Busy night if so...

Damn what a bastard, he still spins as Hallucinogen but can't make another album? Christ... I guess he's getting his "Rolling Stones" thang on

Melodic psy? Hallucinogen Astral Projection (the older albums, the new ones kinda suck compared to the old ones) Juno Reactor Talpa for more Infected Mushroom style Total Eclipse, they're more ambient psy-trance but really good

Wow... track 4 sounds like it was off Shango or something Way less techy than their other stuff