Elysium
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How come people are branded "trolls" the minute they do not share the common taste here? Seem a bit elitist to me. And I agree. Go after the ball not the man. Debate instead of telling people they have a weird taste or there must be something wrong with their person.
I like some of the old trippy stuff Koxbox made. The new stuff is nothing but generic full on.
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I will never understand why the word "psy" is still being used?
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whowooooo George got some Celebrity Pussycat. STOP THE PRESS
PS! I once shagged The Spice Girls!
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The question is as all other "Who is the best" questions subject to taste.
Just because one thinks an artist is the best does not make that artist the best. And "The best" is such an overrated argument.
As an example. Why should I be among "the best" just because I am to be found on an old list that also are out of date when it come to the number of remixes done? (This was aimed at laserflip).
I do not have any "the best" as there's so many amazing remixes done in the world. Just as there are so many horrible ones done.
But I got a bigger one than you. It can not be argued
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Psynews the online answer to all starstruck tabloid magazines
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hm.. change CD:
Busted!!!! Way to go! Promoting a scam russian pirate site
Now Playing : Kraftwerk Autobahn
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You meant to write "I do not"?
Yes edited it
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I will not judge anyone but give an example from my own Country.
In Denmark we have a fascist Government these days. No empty whatsoever toward different thinking people or Refugees who they imprison up to 10 years (with no or very little help mentally – many are suffering from Posttraumatic illness) and after send back to possible dead, prosecution, kidnapping and suffering in Iraq. Back to a Country in deep chaos and Civil War after a War my Government started with USA. My Government breaks many International laws and is backed up by a Political party way to the far right. A Party that was formed by Neo-Nazis.
Last Night the Danish Police was ordered by the Government to raid a Church (Yes a Church) and capture all Iraqi families who had asked for sanctuary in the Church as their last hope to stay in Denmark. The Children and Women was “kindly” spared but put out on the Street. The Men was dragged away like Cattle. The Police also beat up non violent people who were having a sit-down outside the Church. This whole episode made me feel so ashamed of my Country and had me thinking about the Crystal Night in Germany in the 30's. A very famous Danish Jewish Politician in Denmark also compares the Political situation to the one happening in Germany in the 30’s. This is how far out Denmark has become.
To sum it up. My Government is made up from real criminal scumbags!
What does our Authors, Painters, Actors, Musicians etc. do? They protest and become Activists! Trentemoller and other Danish big International artists and Dj’s are members of a Support group toward Iraqi refugees who all are supposed to be shipped back to Iraq after sitting 10 years in Danish Concentration Camps (That’s the best word to describe the camps). I am also involved in this Group and am proud to see my fellow Countrymen take a stand against racism and Government brutality (Which seem to be equal cruel in Denmark as any undemocratic Apartheid State these days).
I know many other countries have artists and personalities getting involved in similar groups.
I do not in any way compare our Country's Political situation with the Israel/Palestine conflict but maybe International artist’s activism in many other Democratic Countries could inspire the many Israeli artists to also speak up against unjust when they see it.
PS! To say that Bono from U2 do not make a difference is not fair to the man and his volunteering staff’s dedication to change the World. His activism has as an example made Western Countries erases debts to 3rd World Countries. If that's not a major improvement then I do not know what is?
The point is that artists do have a very powerful voice and should use it to try to change things IF they feel they want to get involved. They should not feel any pressure to not speak their Mind just because some judgmental people criticize their use of their voices!
My long 2 cents
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I will not judge anyone but give an example from own Country.
In Denmark we have a fascist Government these days. No empty toward different thinking people or Refugees who they imprison for up to 10 years and after send back to posiible dead, prosecution, kidnapping and suffering in Iraq. Back to a Country in deep chaos and Civil War after a War my Government started with USA. My Government breaks many International laws and is backed up by a Political party way to the far right. A Party that was formed by Neo-Nazis.
Last Night the Danish Police was ordered by the Government to raid a Church (Yes a Church) and capture all Iraqi families who had asked for sanctuary in the Church as their last hope to stay in Denmark. The Children and Women was spared but put on the Street. The Men The Police also beat up non violent people who were having a sit-down outside the Church. This whole episode mad me feel so ashamed of my Country and had me thinking about the Crystal Night in Germany in the 30's.
So to sum it up. My Government is made up from real criminal scumbags!
What does our Authors, Painters, Actors, Musicians etc. do? They protest and become Activists! Trentemoller and other Danish big International artists and Dj’s are members of a Support group toward Iraqi refugees who all are supposed to be shipped back to Iraq after sitting 10 years in Danish Concentration Camps (That’s the best word to describe the camps). I am also involved in this Group and am proud to see my fellow Countrymen take a stand against racism and Government brutality (Which seem to be equal cruel in Denmark as any undemocratic Apartheid State these days).
I know many many other countries have artists and personalities getting involved in similar groups.
I do not in any way compare our Country's Political situation with Israel/Palestine but maybe artist’s activism in many other Democratic Countries could inspire the many Israeli artists to also speak up against unjust when they see it.
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I do not want to drag myself into a dead end political debate but there are as many Political views in Israel as there are in any other Country.
I have seen Israeli Psytrance artists sending out political rightwing spam on example Facebook and I have seen Israeli psytrance artists speaking pro the Palestinian cause. The World is God thank not Black & White.
I agree with Basilisk that an Israeli artist would probably get into deep with political statements. Also from his own countrymen, but when that is said I think Political statements are missing in the psytrance scene. But that's my opinion of course.
Peace
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hmmm weird... A dj list where you can vote for bands. That's special
I guess its the time a year where we will see spam mails asking to vote for them and the ones with the most money and email address win a seat on the worlds biggest non factual list.
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I noticed a bit of a progressive/funky touch in Elysium live
That must have had the crowd moving and getting women attention which of course would explain his thankfulness and excitement
:)Admit it Elysium...you got some special attention backstage afterwards
:)hehe
I wanted to make the new remixes more tribal and more groovy (baby). So I toally agree they appear more progressive/funky (I call it tribal though) than the originals
I downloaded both sets before going on holidays and liked very much listening to both acts on the beach
Chers mate. Happy you liked it
@ GaySatanicHippie
Yeah it's the way it is but still no fun
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Tnx *feels special*
TBH never listened throughout your albums, this mix made me curious so i gave it a go, nice representation of your old sound imo for those who havent listened to your tribal oldies, like me and make interested
No need to feel special. It's only music
Nice to hear you are digging into my early releases
Cheers
Kristian
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Elysium already provided a really good basis a page or two ago.
Listen to Sandman and you can't really tell the tracks apart from IM, except maybe IM has slightly better production. Throw in some of the others he mentioned like GNOTR, Tandu and MFG, maybe Tarsis, and you pretty much have discovered the roots of their music. Suddenly it doesn't seem all that new and original after all. If you've never heard these other earlier artists you might otherwise arrive at the wrong conclusions.
Not exactly what I wrote. I wrote that I could hear certain elements in IM's music which I had heard before in example Sandman and MFG among other artists. I never said I could not tell them apart from Sandman & Co.
This debate has really gone lost in the Woods with a lot of assuming and people not really respecting or accepting other people’s views and opinions.
My first and only point was that maybe people should move on instead of keep complaining about IM not making the same music anymore. As I wrote I don't think they really care and your complaints on an underground forum won’t change a thing
And then I peacefully wrote what I think about IM (IMO they are not that special and not at all pioneers) and how I believe they have been heavily inspired by some pioneers from (especially Israel and UK) who IM grew up with and how I personally can hear it in their music and the sounds they used as well as the way they made the melodies. This was also based on some knowledge about Erez's favorites and huge inspiration source prior to his own debut release with IM.
It's nice to debate but both sides in this debate have a hard time listening to each other’s points I think
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Hey, Kris-EP, i downloaded it as well, but im bit slow on listening to Elysiums set, thats the one i downloaded and ive managed to get to the half of it, i love it so far
No worries mate and thanks for the feedback. It's nice to read your views on the music
What is there to download? Just stuff already released on CD??
Your old music is great, I don't really care for the Wombatmusic CD though. So I look forward to hearing the new Elysium CD.
Nine new remixes (never released at all) of old Elysium tracks in a new live-set recorded at Antaris-Project and previous unreleased stuff + a ton of other music. yeah I know not your style of music though
And you know how it goes. If you don't want it don't grab it
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1. FSOL
2. AUTECHRE
3. AFX/APHEX TWIN
4. MURCOF
5. BOLA
6. BOARDS OF CANADA
7. TWO LONE SWORDSMEN
8. RADIOACTIVE MAN
9. AB OVO
10. PLAID
Good list and nice taste
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I think this is a dead end discussion. Altho very interesting how very diverse we hear music. I'm going thru The Gathering as we speak and I'm struggling to hear any resemblance with Astral/MFG in "how their melodies are built up". Let's not forget that you are a serious producer which might have something to do with how we decifer the music, or what you wanna call it. Also would be nice if you could give example in were classic sounds were used prior to Classical Mushroom.
I didn't say it was bad. I didn't agree with what you said first that they copied artists. Now you saying that they were inspired, which I can agree on lol.
Yes I agree it's probably a dead end discussion even though I feel some of you are a bit too sensitive regarding IM
But nevertheless it's very interesting indeed how differently people approach music and analyzes it. Maybe that's another discussion some other day I will for sure give you examples later. I am a bit busy at the moment with some overdue design work. As soon as I got the time to dig out examples I'll post them here.
Peace
Kristian
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Because you are trying to gain a place of superiority in this thread through a self-confidence unjustified by the level of your intellectual development (displayed by your general opinion that "IM are poor musicians") and through clicheic, mediocre attempts to put down a conversation partner ("you do not like someone having a different opinion than yours").
Because of that, I don't consider it worth the time, or effort, to explain to you why I regard "Classical Mushroom" as one of the greatest electronic music masterpieces.
Wow you really are sensitive and assume things too much. I do at all not see where I was and I quote "self-confident", "unjustified by my level of intelligence" or for that matter trying to be "superior". It's a lot of things adding to my back just because I try to debate peacefully about a band I feel has got way too much attention.
It's all in your own mind my friend. I never said anything about IM being poor musicians and I certainly never aimed at putting you or any other IM fan down. Please read my posts again before you jump to such extreme conclusions.
Edited: And you seem to forget you were the one questioning my original post wrongly assuming things about me. Therefore I got the idea you did not like that I did not think the same as you about IM. I still think I was spot on after reading your latest reply.
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gimme a break..
Why? You were the one accusing me of these things. So you must be able to explain why you think this way. If you can’t explain it or won’t then I suggest you restrain yourself from such outburst in the future as its non constructive to a debate. To claim something and then refuse to explain where you are coming from is a debate-killer also known as “trolling”
I will kindly ask you again. Why is it shameless and outrageous to not be flabbegasted by IM's music and mention who they were inspred by on pienews? Could the answer be that you do not like someone having a different opinion than yours?
And please tell me more about why I lack musical knowledge. I am intrigued
I am still waiting
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If anyone draw parallells between hitler and jews, because the Infected Mushroom boys come from Israel which is a Jewish state, then you're sadly missing the point and should excert your unneccesary moralism elsewhere.
Agree 100%
Humor is always good but sometimes it goes a bit too far. I really don't find the Hitler "joke" funny at all seen in the light of what kind of person he was and what he did to the Jews included IM’s forefathers.
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Inspiration yes.
Copying no.
I know they said they got inspiration from Hallucinogen. But frankly, listen to Classical Mushroom, it has nothing to do with Hallucinogen. Even you can hear that no?
Maybe I got different ears than you do
But come on. Listen to the way their melodies are built up. MFG/Astral inspiration here I come and nothing wrong with that! But it can't be that hard to notice unless you stubbornly refuse anything but rosy red "we love them they are gods and NOONE ever sounded like them - they were the first psytrancers" views.
Listen to the sounds they used. Classic sounds used in many other artists’ tracks at that time.
I do not say the way they composed their tracks are copying - not at all. But the sounds they used especially on their first 2 albums was nothing new or groundbreaking (Their production was better than most though but that's another issue away from the musical aspect).
As I said if you listen to other artists from the same period and prior to their debut you'll find many similar sounds in those artists’ tracks. It was THE SOUND of that time and IM was no exception!
And by the way what's so bad about it? Everybody did it and still do it. I don't see why you diehard fans get so upset about it. It's common knowledge that most artists borrow from each other. IM included.
I compare it to those who say Elvis invented the style of music he played. Yes he was extremely talented but if you start to dig into his History you’ll see he borrowed massive from the Black music at that time. Fact is he also copied other artists into his own style of music. Does that make you a pioneer? Some say yes. I say no. A true pioneer is the one people originally borrow from
Ps! Now I have used way too much time debating about a band that's of no interest musically to me
I still suggest you guys move on and dig into the huge amount of wonderful music this world has to offer
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BTW If Classical Mushroom isn't a pioneer album then nothing is.
Simple as that.
Again this is a matter of taste. What you find pioneering i find mediocre (edit - not mediocre as they clearly are good at what they do - a better way to put it... no breaking news IMO).
Simple as that
I am sure you can agree that taste is taste. Yes?
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It's funny how you shamelessly combine in your post a clear lack of musical knowledge and appreciative skills with an extreme, outrageous self-confidence.
Ormion -- I'm quite glad I found another person who appreciates IM's work to this extent
hmmm why is it shameless and outrageous to not be flabbegasted by IM's music and mention who they were inspred by on pienews? Could the answer be that you do not like someone having a different opinion than yours?
And please tell me more about why I lack musical knowledge. I am intrigued
I Dont Like Koxbox.
in General Psytrance
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Nothing has changed at Pie News. People are still not entitled to start any topics that are not in agreement with certain members taste or World views. But its dandy ok to start tons of topics with Simon is God etc. If you do not like the exact same music as the elite, and make the "mistake" to say it out loud then you will be executed in public.
My advice is this. If people dont like the smell in the Bakery stay out of the Bakery (in this case this debate)
I am ready to be executed now