murphythecat
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THEE guitar ruins everything! cause other then that, its the best thing ive heard from infected mushroom since converting vegeterians, a lot more psychadelic, twisted sounds, but the fuckin guitar, some cheesy quasi-euro leads and the voice from the bald guy is really hard to digest
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best thing ive heard from them since converting vegetarians... its a start
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hahahaI think their next concept album should be what brand of toothpaste they prefer and what their favorite laundry detergent is.
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if you see it like that, a lot of artist are one of a kindDude, all you needed to say is that you don't like his stuff, but what you did was bring up alot of comparisons to artists that are no way similar to Amon Tobin. Seriously, I don't think Amon Tobin's jazzy breaks is no way near Kettel or Venetian Snares. Some other Ninja Tune artists may be the closest, but Amon Tobin is one of a kind even if you don't want to admit it
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haha, exactly!Well, I might agree that this is a far cry from Cosmology / Synergy era, but I also learned to appreciate the music for what it is, to listen to it in the context of current times and other releases and not to compare it to the past, which is usually very idealised and clouded by personal judgement and experiences. When Synergy came out I was only discovering this music and each new release was like a small discovery for me, opening new (musical) worlds and possibilities I could never dream of possible. Now, ten years after I know all the tricks, I know a lot more about music, production, mastering etc.; I start to get annoyed with details that were not relevant in the past or if the track develops differently than I'd imagine it to...
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What, all the breakcore of amon tobin can easily be classified into the same breakcore venetian snares doo.^ NOT comparable at all!
Do you really know what you're talking about? Not trying to diss this time, Amon Tobin and these artists are just not comparable at all...
euh the flashbulb( red extension of me_
Amon tobin more lounge style can look a LOT like kettel album such as whisper me wishes, couple songs of cenny crush or wisp releases such as frozen dreams EP
Blackfilm look a lot like amon tobin.
In specific, amon'S tobin work is really distinguish, he as a particular sounds, like i've said. But hes no alone into his experimental with the possibilities of mixing jazz and electronic together, or mixing electronic with industrial or whatever. Just amorphous androgynous as enough ressemblance with amon tobin'S kinda of stuff. I hope you know what i mean. Quality of sounds, sample and all is excellent from Amon : but i find that they are other artist, experimenting, and coming up with better stuff, thats all.
to be honest with you, i find some Amon tobins work really good, but for some reason, im not amazed, his songs are imo too repetitive, sorry maybe exagerating when i said amon is not originl, he is, but too often, after a couple of songs, im really like okay, thats was good, but i want to listen to something else. But i didnt listen to everything from him, ive listen to bricolage, foley room and supermodified
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wispSo what are these similar yet more original artists?
kettel
apparat
blackfilm
the flashbulb
venetian snares
bola
tycho
all in the same extended brand of music
makes all original music, that i always want to listen to, not like amon tobin.
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In the genre he does, theres quite lot of artist better then him, im sorry for you to not know them, thats all, Amon's not a sucker He has a nice sounds and particular one, tough, there something missing in his songs that makes me pretty much everytime say : oh okay, that was nice, but do i want to listen to amon tobin ten times a day? NO!
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Hahahahahahaha.
Right.
Sorry, I don't even want to post an argument. Just want to point my finger and say "HA! HA!"
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finally someone who's not into the vintage rapeminem - slim shady lp
eminem - marshall mathers lp
eminem - the eminem show
8 mile OST
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overrated
theres tons of artist doing the SAME kind of thing, even better
he's not particulary original, and really, his songs always go on the same direction, too repetitive, and his drum n bass skills are quite limited
but thats only me
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honestly, i dont share the same opinion, for me infected mushroom only have experience, thats why they release sometime an okay song, but talent? i havent seen in a whileLet's rephrase that. Yes, most of their best stuff was in the beginning but they still come out with quality stuff. The songs I noted are some of their best downtempo songs, granted "Project 100" doesn't start out that way but it certainly turns into that. To say they have NO more talent is completely false. Give credit where it's do. Maybe you just don't like the music. That's alright, but you cannot deny they still have no talent.
theres a difference between infected mushroom first album talent and what they do now, what they do now i would explain it by their experience, not the talent seriously.
they have maybe the best quality sounding, but thats it.
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-1bwhale/on10/sunwolf/eiko/baronkroolenstein/sneila
Same patterns, canadian location.
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DMT and Dorset perception are your two favorite songs from shpongle? okay men, you dont know what your are talkin aboutWell I don't think Encens is top 10 at all, or even mentionable, I was just listening to them while I was posting and thinking of how much better they were than Koxbox, and from 1995 too.
You mean in Shpongle? EXAMPLES? I'll admit DMT (Instrumental) is good (the only one I like from them), and Dorset Perception doesn't wander, but unfortunately it sounds like a spanish children's ballad or something.
BTW a possible answer is that I'm just not intelligent enough to recognize the patterns. But I don't think this is too likely.
Posford has only released excellent material, Younger brother flock of bleeps is a masterpice,so is eclipse compilation, then The first shpongle and on top of that, Twisted. Posford is not shit, YOU just dont like him.
And encens is not better then koxbox, please men
BUT AT first, i didnt like shpongle, in fact it took me maybe 2 years into the psytrance to take the time to listen and really get shpongle.
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his opinion is shit? i tough that was not okay to say that, ive been highly punished for that sorts of comment.How to say it politely; Your opinion is shit, maybe?
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what is there to talk about, i dont feel taht way. For mwe, koxbox and SHPONGLE is in the top 10 best artist ever, while encens is not even mentionable.I tried to get some useful response from you guys but it seems you can only try to justify yourself or say I'm wrong, rather than discuss why we differ.
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i tend to agree a bit thats its easy for artist to have random pattern changing, but seriously, Simon Posford does not make random pattern changing, in fact, its the best pattern construction i've ever listen
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+10000What? Well, thanks for the insult anyway. That's pretty helpful. Could you clarify the rest?
Anyway, if people like Simon Posford (Hallucinogen aka the biggest thing to happen to psytrance), Raja Ram (TIP, 1200 Mics), Ian Ion (The Overlords, Sri Hari), FrankE (Psychopod) and Peter Candy are not enough 'skilled' to know how to build up a track for your taste, then you really shouldn't bother listening or even analyzing any of their releases, since they clearly don't know how to do it, and by some strange miracle are one of the most highly praised acts in the history of psytrance.
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I disagree on everything you said about shpongle. Shpongle is random? How can you say that.Well no it's not about complexity. I love a lot of the Pleiadians and Toi Doi tracks, which I consider some of the more complex goa trance.
Here is some problems I identified after listening to some Koxbox and Shpongle:
1) They have boring synths: Electronic music relies heavily on having interesting synths thrown in there to make tracks or artists unique from one the rest. Koxbox sounds almost like I'm listening to standard, default sounds with no personality or uniqueness to them.
2) They don't use pads: Koxbox's music sounds minimalistic, as Padmapani said, because they don't use enough pads. They have no ambience or atmosphere in their tracks.
3) Main problem: their arrangement is not intelligent: Personally, I always listen to an entire track focusing on what changes. In fact, as I listen my main focus is always on whatever parts are changing, and viewing those in relation to all the other parts, always remembering what happened in the previous minutes of the track. So I expect a track to build or tell some story somehow, otherwise it's pointless. To me Shpongle completely fails here, along with the others: usually their tracks will just change randomly into something else with no sense behind it. Instruments come in and out, and then there's a stupid flute playing, but it never builds towards anything or works together to improve the track, it's just pointlessly wasting time. It's too RANDOM for me. It sounds like the track is an experiment of monkeys randomly playing with the mixer. It is not INTELLIGENT music (I think IDM is a misnomer since most IDM music lacks intelligent arrangement, which is the opposite of random arrangement).
Anyways, complexity is not the issue. There's nothing I love more than to hear extra layers of sound added in, deeper and deeper, AS LONG AS those sounds are added in an intelligent way and help build the track. The smallest sounds added can change the entire track in a positive way. Also, as was already said, these artists are NOT very complex in terms of the number of sounds played at once. It takes a lot of talent to overlap numerous sounds at once and make them sound good together. That's what most goa trance and downtempo music is. On the other hand, it takes a lot less talent to throw things without order, or things that simply don't enhance each other or the track altogether.
That's my current beliefs on it anyways, I'd like to hear someone else's who disagrees. What do you listen for in the music? What part of these artists do you find most appealing, that other artists aren't as good at? Etc.
i can't understand, for me shpongle is just out of this world, and nothing will ever come close to that. i make music, and i can telll you that the ways they use the synth are really intelligent. so what shpongle and koxbox has no talent, please. Shpongle does not tell a story? WTF!
Shpongle is the ultimate music experience for me, so theres nothing to talk about, taste is taste.
and ultimately, what i love the most about shpongle, is the quality of the sounds he throws in, and hes fuckin alone in his league
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Maybe you dont like your music too complex. I mean, i enjoy encens, but shpongle or koxbox are just in another league of complexity, maybe its not your type, thats all
well, some people dont like picasso, or Bach, or VanGogh, its sad but true lol
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i agreeWhat I was standing up for was the guy who did the work and paid the money to get this released. I'd be a bit irritated personally if the first person to review it took points off and even questioned the validity of my work because he was in the minority of the population that already owned some of the tracks in hard copy. I think that people who are behind projects such as DAT records are doing a good thing. It deserves some support for it to continue in a market that isn't very CD friendly anymore. That doesn't mean just giving positive reviews no matter what.
After listening I do agree with some of the appraisal here given by Frozen. Even though there are tracks of varying quality, it's made up for by the resurrection and modern release of a feeling from the past that isn't readily available in hard copy. That in my biased opinion should be taken into account when reviewing. As a person who had never heard any of Blue Planet's work before, I very much appreciate the chance to own this on CD when alot of other material by this artist is hard to get nowadays for a reasonable price.
Jon
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the only reviewers from all site reviews that i like reading to, are the one'S a little bit biased. Just like teachers, you want them to tell you what they think about a subject, not being politicaly correct.
and seriously, you know after the first good listen, if an album is good or not, it dont takes month, neither 10 listen. and now some people will say, well, for ishq, i had to be on a beach, drinkin a amaretto sour, and then BAM, i understood ishq, nigga please.
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+10 for noisia, really nice... BUT!
WOW there!!!
theres 2 big artist that as not been mentioned, and imo one of the few that have some sincere and original dmnb ideas, they dont follow the path that everyone else.
the flashbulb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk-FFrfE0kk or
and venetian snares, the hardest dm n bass ive listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiROxYD16Go&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGTvmwEbFv4&feature=related
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cream? haha its been a long time im not into rap anymore, but yes, this brought back some memoriesWu tang clan http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZRAvsZf1g Nothing can beat that
more newschool but pete rock is one of my favourites
http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk2b2Hq8ruw&feature=related
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yeah its nice
go listen to that
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of course lol, beautiful music is great, but what define psy for me, is what i explained above. i didnt said that simple piano melodies is not nice, but in the electronica scene, i dont search for simple melodies, If i want a simple melodie, ill go search it, in jazz for example.Guess it's definitely personal taste then. I tend to be quite picky with minimal, however I do like shiva chandra (haven't heard minologue or a lot of others).
I definitely disagree, there can be a fairly simple piece written on piano but if it's written really well it's still great.
And honestly, besides ambient, trance, psy, and idm, i dont really know myself in other sphere of electronica, but i never heard something really simple that i loved, besides tycho.
what do you recommend for good and simple and great melodies in electronica?
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