murphythecat
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Sendgind orb
twisted
ultimae somehow
but i really dont care about labels.
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Sendgind orb
twisted
ultimae somehow
but i really dont care about labels.
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yes i agree, the last 3 albums are so so, BUT, theres is into those albums at least 10 songs that are incredible, so still, not perfect, but awsome songsThrough Friendly Waters is an amazing album as well. Kettel is my 4th listened artist in my last.fm and I've listened to his earlier stuff countless times. But seriously, I can't get into his last 3 albums
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+10 for everythingThis is actually all pretty true.
A decent post by bwhale, wow.
Yes, to an extent, but at the same time, there are some genres that are harder to produce, but take less time, or are easier to produce but take more time.
Basically:
Quality: has some correlation with time spent
Quality: has no correleation with minimalness/maximalsness
Length of track: Definitely has a strong correlation with quality though. People add to the second half of the track, but to do so continually refine the first half so it ends up with things generally being better. Over 10 minutes tends to be excessive though.
Maximalness: Has a medium correlation with time spent(i.e. if something is more maximal it will generally take longer)
So I disagree, there are definitely some genres that are harder to produce then others. With the example of minimal, well exactly, that's something that is harder to produce! With fewer elements each one has to count. Rather then just throwing quite a few meh sortof melodies at you and it not being boring, but not interesting either.
People have said goa takes a long time to produce just because of the number of melodies in it. Maybe the musicians got burnt out and wanted to do something more minimal? Where they can get a finished feeling and the feeling across in half or a quarter of the time.
You have to balance
Minimalness: Saying as much as possible with as little as possible
Maximalness: Adding as much as possible while still having each part contribute and maintaining general cohesiveness.
Anyway: suffice to say, there are some genres(or subgenres) that are easier to produce than others most definitely. However, definitely can't look just at how much stuff is going on in the track. A more detailed analysis for why a genre is easy/hard to produce is necassary.
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well, this wasnt what I meant,and you assument about something here. theres artist that doesnt move from one songs to another, that work on their songs 3-4-5-6 weeks.How can you say that? Maybe the artist get tired of the track, forgets about it, and open it up 1 month later to finish it. Doesn't have anything with complexity or how much an artist think about a track imo.
you say: maybe the artist... DUDE! maybe this, maybe that, my point was clear i tought. if an artist takes 4 month to do a songs, well yes, its going to be more complex probably, 75% of the times, IF he stick to this only songs.
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I kind of agree, but the 6 album before my dogan are my top 10 album in elctronica. It never happened to me before, to like as much as that an artist.POsford, the only album im really freakin about is AYS, but his other album are crazy, but not as good as AYS for me. But with kettel, i just can't point one exactly that i love more than the others, cause every album are as good as the other, and i cant believe how goood it is. I'm not able to express how much i love his music; its really the first artist that make me feel this way, im really liking him that much!I think the quality started to drop after My Dogan
and to answer to the uninteresting comment about kettel being boring: I dont understand,maybe you havent heard enough from him, go check the through friendly waters, or my dogan, and listen to it untilk you love him, im sure you could love him.
For example, it took me a lot of time to like Franck Zappa or Chris Whitley.And the first 10-20 times! i really didnt understood how they were so acclaimed, but now i understand. For me kettel stands up there with the best in electronica, i even like him a lot more then AFX, and to be honest, kettel is strating to move Posford from the top 1. Just my tought, hate hime if you want, but maybe your missings something.
2 years ago, i finally decided to listen to radiohead, even tough i had heard a couple of songs there and there from radiohead without being comeppeled by them, and when i started listening to them and liking it, i was finding myself pretty dumb to have waited solong to get into there music, happen with bkork, happened with KEttel, happened with AFX, happened with Miles davis, happened with... thats all, and those band are mostly what i listen everyday now...
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haha, exaclty! why talk about obvious facts! God!But statistically there is a relationship between time spent and quality of result.
If you want to say that certain people defy this general trend, then go for it, otherwise you're wasting everyone's time "debating" trivial points.
Oh, and the quality of result is not as "subjective" as people like to think. We are all hearing close to the exact same thing (our ears and their workings are very similar). The difference arises somewhere in the mind. I'd guess intelligence, awareness, previous things we've heard account for most of the variation in why one person likes 1 thing and doesn't like another. This would be an infinitely more smart thing to discuss than argue about time taken to make a track BTW.
but you really think that intelligence have something to do with taste? I think that what really counts, is what is our musical background.
off-topic:
someone need to explain me how to include in one post everything i just did in three, because i feel bad about it
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You contradicted yourself. The first quote implies that taking longer to write a song results in a better song, which you refuted in the second quote.
Creative people all work differently, and the speed at which they make their art does not necessarily relate to its quality (which is subjective anyway).
no no, you presume, i didnt said that its necessary a better song, only a more complex song, or at least, the artist that takes 3 month to make a songs think a lot more about his songs then a dj that do his songs in one day.
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yeah well, i just said thatYou contradicted yourself. The first quote implies that taking longer to write a song results in a better song, which you refuted in the second quote.
Creative people all work differently, and the speed at which they make their art does not necessarily relate to its quality (which is subjective anyway).
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koxbox u-turn is full-on? haha, euh.. thats your opinion.
I think that raja ram might have a lot to do with the mastering.
and a songs that takes 3 month toomake is not necessarily more good, but a lot more complicated to make, thats all. And if you say a obvious contre-argument, well shame on you.
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ah yeah!!!!! yahel-waves of sound: sounds like it imo
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its sounds like some idm songs, it sounds a bit like vibrasphere too, in fact a LOT imo. euh...its sounds good actually, i kinda like it. something similar, euh...its really trancey, its sounds like some early armin van buuren mix, some early above and beyond, in fact, it REALLY sounds like the beginnings of above and beyond, you should really take a look at their early mixes.
euh...it doesnt sound like any psy actually, but in the idm scene, try some flashbulb. No okay, maybe this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbEA0ORSTc&feature=related but its not EXACTLY what your looking for...
this
hehe, i know some of it is cheesy, but some songs can really have the feeling your looking for.ahah, i find someone you would like for sure, exactly what you want, try jaia:
ticon will be worth checking too
sorry, i can not help you more then that since its really not my style, before i was really diggin what you search, but my guess its theres lacking of really good producers making this intesrting type of trancey, emotianal, still interesting music...
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I think you need to expand your consciousness!!!!!Yes i can agree with you there.
Thing is : why putting drugs when we can do it just by ourselves? Why changing someone's Life if maybe that Person is happy the way it is? i prefer to do everything just by myself , it will prove to me how great i am as a person and not needing something else for it. some people cannot find it in themselves that's why they go and try drugs and i perfectly understand.
this is just my view of things.
People put on drugs for several reasons and one of them might be they are lost but they want to find themselves in someway or could be just for fun aswel.
It's not good for youngsters and for that i will quote a classic phrase that my parents always used to say : "when we are young we think we know it all , but we don't".
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-1000000000000000My View on this matter is the following:
-Drugs don't do good to anyone , because if you are a young person the drugs will give you that "expanding" which is the knowledge you will reach after a lot of years when you grow up . Reaching the knowledge really fast is not good for you Mind and that's Dangerous.
I tried some stuff but i am glad i didn't do too much and i'm not doing it anymore , i just prefer things to Flow Naturally.
Everybody will reach that "expanding" with time and our knowledge will get always bigger and bigger because when you get older you will learn to control yourself and know the person you are which that's really important, but not thanks to an artificial thing.
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the blanket assumption?!?! thats funny men. David Bowie admit that he released shitty music in the 80's, and he knew he was! WTF! Those "Popular" artist clearly know that they could do SO much better.I don't agree with the blanket assumption that somebody who changes to a more popular style must be doing so for purely commercial reasons. Popular styles get popular because people like them, it's hardly surprising that a lot of people who used to make Goa would like them too.
Dj's make their tracks in 2-3 days MAXIMUM.
Posford can takes up to a month or two to make one track.
What else need to be said?
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what album are you referring when you say that koxbox meets full-on??????I do not think one genre is easier to make than another genre. As an example minimal is extremely hard to make because it contain less sounds that need much more attention to keep the listeners attention than a track where 50 sounds are going on. But at the end of the day it's all subject to the individual musician. What comes easy to me is not necessary something another artist find easy.
I am sure many artists picked up Goa because of its popularity. Especially later down the Road. But I can guarantee that many of the pioneers made the music out of pure passion for the music. It was a lifestyle as well. And I do not doubt that many into Full on do/did it out of love to the music. What I say, according to this debate, is that I know of quite a few old-school artists and Dj’s who in private will admit they do not really feel much passion toward full on but still produce/spin it because it gives them the gigs they need. I am sure many also switched to psytechno/full on techno (I won’t call it techno) because of the demand from the audience. And I bet some of these full on artist’s dont really fancy techno as much as they like full on.
I will give you an example.
Raja Ram
He was the co-owner of TIP Records. A label that I personally think shaped the psytrance scene among a few other labels. Then it was closed down due to financial trouble and reopened as a semi full on label under the name T.I.P World. And later the cheese came out in full. And what happened to the crew that was among the psychedelic frontrunners when it came to spinning twisted psytrance as Dj’s? They suddenly switched to cheesy rolling Bassline full on overnight. Why? Well it's quite obvious to me at least. Without it they would not be able to travel the World anymore playing gigs. It is that simple!
Let’s take Koxbox. Even though I am not a personal friend to Frank I know him from talks and partying with him too. And I know his love for twisted really deep psychedelic trance. Then he moves to Ibiza and gets more involved with the Full on cheese artists there. And what is the result? Koxbox meets Full on. No one will ever be able to make me believe he love those Basslines as he has always been a musician into experimental Basslines and full psychedelic landscapes in the music. He even told me (prior to his last album release) that the world would hear something new and that the full on era would be over with the coming of his new album. hmmmm sure!
I could go on with so many other old-school artists/Dj’s and how they really do not fancy full on or even psytechno that much. But it would be a novel rather than a debate input.
Of course it's up to each one of us to do whatever we like. No doubt about it! But can anyone really blame people from questioning their reasons? I mean I can understand why some people question my shift to other scenes when they do not know my history or my passion for example Techno and underground House as well as what’s called UK House. But there is a huge difference in making certain music because you love it or because you want to maintain a certain status in a scene.
The easiest road for me would have been to follow all the other artists into the full on scene and been on a big stage pleasing a 50.000 people crowd in Mexico. It's not at all easy to break though in example the House scene or for that matter in the Techno scene. On the contrary it's much harder than breaking though in the psytrance/full on scene!
My 2 cents.
And Full-on is clearly less "hard", as subjective as it can be, to make then a real psy album, come on! With minimal, once you get the technique, which can be acquired much more easily then custom psy, which by the way, have no specific technic, well yeah, we can say that its "easier" to make. What, for you, full-on is as hard to make as a logic bomb or hallucinogen album?
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Because it's easy to make mostly, no effort, full response.
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Kettel is just a fuckin genious!!!!! My dogan album is the best album i have ever heard, So much depht, difference, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
:o hehe, i know its the hundred time a blast your ears with kettel. Sorry, sometimes i just cant control myself. But he is literraly the only artist that every songs, i like to listen from start to finish
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Hallucinogen-twisted
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good vocal psy? good luck!
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how COME I dont know these songs?!!!!!!Favorite AFX tune evargh is Digeridoo. Period.
There was nobody anywhere releasing anything anyhow that in any way even remotely hinted at sounding like that tune.
Closely followed by Quoth, the remixes of We Have Arrived, Flaphead and Polynominal-C.
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Nothing better then omnisphere? come-on, he can't be serious.
He didnt told us nothing. The techniques he said are quite obvious:layering the same loop,but puting different effect, after 2 weeks, I realize i was able to do that.
The only thing interesting is his non-compression thing, he only dont do a final compression? I'll lack on the compression a bit, since his production skills are SO good.
I want this interviewer interviewing Posford!!!!
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well pitchfork still writes long reviews, so they do in spoutnik site. He's reviews are sometimes negatives, but when they are,i NEVER disagree with him. and he writes his reviews in a pretty good way,intelligent, sarcastic, everything i love from a critic. He totally assume his subjectivity, and that wants make him professianol. A lot of known reviewrs BASH out some albums, and god knows that his opinions about full-on is mostly the overall opinion of psychadelic listeners,from psychadelic lovers that didnt get into psytrance because of skazi or IMNobody reads huge-ass reviews anyways. Just type up a bunch of crap without even listening to the CD and nobody will be the wiser.
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What kind of experience are you talking about? what subjective experience?Well...I wonder what we mean with 'expanding consciousness' in the first place. Couldn't it be defined as 'getting aware and thoroughly understanding the objective reality inside and outside yourself? If this topic is about mind altering drugs usage, I cannot really see any connection with the expansion of your consciousness. Drugs only create subjective experiences that do not match reality which can be objectivly verified.
If this topic isn't about that, I can't really see any harm in being fully aware of reality as it is. Truth=virtue=happiness, and thus being aware of yourself and the world around you is a way of achieving happiness!
well, for me and my friends, with whom i did many and many trips, we all feel as if we changed a little bit because of the drugs. We had discussion about things in life on drugs, that affect me definitely now, some revelation happened to me, about our true self and everything. What do you mean by "you can not objectively verified"? I mean... your not in another complete dimension, you still know whats there and whats not, what you do and how you feel, for me, I've learned a lot about how i am, what i do with my life, why do i react this way or this way in a situation etc......What truth are you talking about? I'm trying to understand here, with or without drugs, i always kind of see the world just like before, the only thing that have changed, is how i feel, how i react, how i feel more connected with my GF, and how more fuckin scared i am from the death...
new Shpongle CD mastering / production
in General Psytrance
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the album is just perffect for me!