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Nano does very mainstream fullon but I don't think I ever heard any melodic track from them since Protoculture (I don't count 8 minute track with an acid line of 2-3 notes appearing for 30 seconds as "melodic")
I thought Vertigo was mostly releasing darkpsy but that Hedgehog track from their Omnipresence compilation was really good and indeed very melodic.
Twillight/SA fullon may be quite melodic too, at least what I think is twillight
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9 hours ago, Tetrasect said:
Pretty sure the Twilight subgenre was around mid 2000's, coming out of South Africa...?
I think you are right. Tickets, Brethren and the like. Very different sound
8 hours ago, Tetrasect said:Here's one with plenty melody for you
Not really plenty, but some
Nice track tho, really cool section between 7:00- 7:50
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I think it's called UK psytrance.
I like the basslines and the sounds they are using and highly respect their production skills but I miss melodies. Can listen to a track or two but it quickly bores me.
Same sounds + actual melodies make a killer combination tho
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On 11/22/2019 at 8:00 PM, dhollmusik said:
The Omnipresence comp is very good, what I would call morning psy but I guess you can also call it melodic full-on. Here's a Transdriver:
Amazing track! These melodies
Btw, that's the source of the samples, a Soviet cartoon called Hedgehog in the fog, pretty psychedelic in itself
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Yes, when Hypnoxock was making full-on it was some of the absolutely best full-on out there. Sadly I can't say the same about his goa efforts.
And of course almost everything ever made by Anders is pure genius and that Chromosome album is absolutely incredible as a whole.
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As close as it gets in 2019-2020.
TBH, somewhat cheesy and simplistic compared to the best of the older stuff, more similar to DNA and such than DIgicult, U-Recken or Protoculture, but... it's that full-on
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It's a taste thing. Everything made by Victor Solsona is extremely well produced, be it fullon, goa, prog or even downtempo (Green Beats). When he was making morning fullon he somehow managed to take everything i love about this genre and execute it with maximum perfection. His goa also has high production values, I just dislike the melodies. Of the samples I only somewhat liked Gravitational Isolation, everything else has these weird dissonant melodies I can't enjoy.
Should he switch to more melodious morning/euphoric goa like Median/Centavra/Artifact 303 I bet it would be totally killer stuff.
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Heard the preview already, sounds like it's going to be totally not my thing just like Eurythmia
Which is a shame cause I really love their Synthetic Resurrection album
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13 minutes ago, astralprojection said:
Blue planet corporation, chi-ad, and human blue.
Human blue planet corporation
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Phoscyon is very good, I never owned a real 303 but Phoscyon sounds as close to classic goa/acid 303 lines as it gets right out of the box. Love the distortion, it seems tailor-made for such sounds.
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11 hours ago, Tsotsi said:
the sounds of 303's & 604's
I know TB303 but what is that synth, 604?
I think by the first half of 2010's some kind of "newschool goa formula" had been developed, to which lot of new artists are now trying to stick. This leads to a lot of homogenous, unremarkable tracks. Nevertheless, most of my favourite goa tracks have been released in the last decade, artists like Skarma, Psy-H Project, Mindsphere, some stuff by Ephedra, Median Project, Alienapia, Ra etc. They do often stick to the same formula, but somehow they still make it work.
Also for the genre which mainly relies on melodies, the melodies/musical structure in many newschool stuff are not very good to my taste. Some tracks sound to me like the producer thought something like "well, let me just add as many notes and layers as my PC can handle". Just random mess of melodic lines that lead nowhere, may have wrong notes, etc.
Overall I like what Global Sect is doing, they try to add more meaning to the whole thing, release CDs, flouro artwork, even write poems. It may look a bit over the top (especially the poems) but at least they try to make newschool goa look like some movement or subculture on its own. Also their selection of tracks usually fits my taste more than other labels.
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12 minutes ago, astralprojection said:
HypnoCocks
I used to think it was their actual project name, it took me a while to read it properly.
Bwt I think their best album is Synthetic Resurrection, I like it much more that Eurythmia. But it's not goa.
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11 hours ago, Tsotsi said:
Rehashing an old thread instead of making a new one. With so many new releases since our last best of new goa/essential I wonder who has updated their list, or if the best has come and gone.
I also feel like 10 albums is no longer able to properly explore all the essentials of the SWOG,
1. Khetzal - Corolle
2. Artha - Influencing Dreams
3. VA - Terraformer
4. Lunar Dawn - Kolovrat
5. Sab Kuch Milegator - Kauas Aikain Taa
6. Median Project - Constellation
7. Antares - Exodus
8. Morphic Resonance - The City Of Moons
9. Hypnoxock - Eurythmia
10. Celestial Intelligence - Perpetual Energy11. Hypnoxock - Eurythmia
12. Celestial Intelligence - Perpetual Energy
13. VA - The World Beyond
14. Sykespico - Perspective
15. Nervasystem - Timetravel
16. Psylent Buddhi - Secrets Of The Atom
17. VA - Temple Of Chaos
18. VA - People Walk Funny
19. Kadasarva - Steamagination
20. Ephedra - Journey Through My HeadFor me 'Essentials' refers to any album that properly displays a particular style at the top of the game.
Oh, yes, I also think that Hypnoxock - Eurythmia is somewhat better than Hypnoxock - Eurythmia, but not really that much.
What do you think about Hypnoxock - Eurythmia btw? Don't see it on the list.
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Супербист, заканчивай хуйню нести ))
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41 minutes ago, astralprojection said:
Psychedelic Superbeast, is that you?
No, that's another dude who was banned at psymusic.ru and now he is polluting Psynews
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13 hours ago, RTP said:
I think that the "big PAs", which are mentioned up there only briefly, play a bigger role aswell .. the sound becomes shaped to sound good on these, so they influence our sound quite a lot imo.
Was at a party at a "psy trance historic location" (I'd say for myself) the other day ... lo and behold, I didn't recognize the sound much anymore ... it was much louder and much more polished than I ever heard it there. Not bad, but different. If you'd ask me right there on the spot, I'd tell you that a lot has changed since 2016 for example ... yes, it kinda was a similar sound, but the refinement is much more in detail now...Yes, it seems that psytrance has pretty much become "sound engineer's" music. At least the mainstream forms of it indeed sound super polished, processed and engineered, often at the expense of musical qualities (imo, of course, but I mostly listen to psytrance at home, and I have much more troubles with finding tracks I actually like among the recent releases compared to, say, 2005-2015. Maybe I'm getting old tho).
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I think the actual quetsion may be one of these: "does any really innovative psychedelic music exist?" or "where do I find it" or "when I find it, how do I react to it? do I think it's too weird-ass? too far off from what I'm used to?"
Most people who are into psytrance expect it to sound like this and that. So the first reaction to something really different will be "what the f*ck is that? It's not psytrance" (and the same reaction is expected from label heads). Also i guess most artists, when they start making psytrance, are inspired by other artists and want to do something similar. So it's not like 1996 when people were inventing goa/psytrance on the fly and nobody knew what psytrance was and what it wasn't.
Other thing is that "being different for the sake of being different" is not always good. I'll take something that sounds familar but is really well executed any day over something that sounds just strange sor the sake of it.
I think Cybernetica is different enough but still very good. He is well known on this forum. Some kind of psy-infested dark and epic DnB
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32 minutes ago, dhollmusik said:
I think most people would agree old-school goa has aged like fine wine
Quite a big part of it actually didn't imo.
Overall, I can agree that an average psytrance track made in 2019 would probably have less differfences to a track made in 2009 than a 2009 track to a 1999 track but I think the differences are still pretty apparent.
Anyways, the longer a genre exists the harder it is to invent something radically new. In early 00s you could add some metallic noises from your brand new Virus B and cut down the melodies a bit and whoah! you you have new sound, nobody did that before. In 2019 it feels like everything has been already done. Also you don't have really much motivation to innovate, you know that people who love psy expect certain sounds and grooves and they will be happy when you throw these sounds and grooves at them
Also psytrance, as a genre, very closely follows the development of music production tech. Trying out new sounds, new synths, new processing is basically what drives the development of psy. Todays synth market, especially software synths, feels stagnant and oversaturated, basiclaly two main trends - digital replicas of 70-80's analogue synth classics and wavetable stuff with very clean digital sound aimed mostly at mainstream EDM production, mostly different variations of the same thing. The software synth devs seem to be focused mostly on workflow and GUI in oder to give people more covnenient and streamlined ways to make the same old sounds.
I have to admit that I'm too old myself to accept radically new sound though. When looking for new music I mostly enjoy new variations of things I always liked, like progressive, some full-on, some goa. Something really new may actually exist and I've probaly heard it but just didn't like because it sounded way too unfamiliar.
This is as far as I can deviate from my comfort zone
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I think psytrance has changed a lot over the last decade. Most obivous if you compare the same artists
Outsiders 2010
Outsiders 2019
Astrix 2008
Astrix 2016
U-Recken 2006
U-Recken 2019
I intentionally give the examples of the most manstream kinds of psy, they reflect what I think are the trends.
A lot has happened over the last 10 years or so, transition from hardware synths to 100% software production (very different sound overall, more possibilities for sonic manipulation, lesser significance of the individual character of the synth, in the 00's it was almost compulsory to use Access Virus and Nord Lead but there is no such thing as "the default psytrance synth" now), evolution from very melodic tracks (second half of the 00's) to minimal (first half of the 10's) to quite busy tracks with lots of synths and SFX but little melodic content (now), some subgenres died, some emerged.
Ofc the core concept stays the same - hypnotic bassline, trippy/sci-fi sounds and such but the details change a lot.
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4 minutes ago, Psychedelic Superbeast said:
another Person who hates me.
No, I don't but you could probably express your thoughts in a bit less bizarre way. Not sure what gays of farting women have to do with minimal drops, maybe it's my lack of imagination.
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Superbeast, I can't understand shit of what you are trying to say.
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On 11/25/2019 at 11:42 PM, Imba said:
You make tension, then you put it down, put some primitive beats for stomping than start building again. Imagine 8 minutes track of constant full power and melodies, you get tired after 20-30 minutes. Mood changes are good and people love them.
This! I wish more producers would realize this.
Sometimes i think that large part of newschool goa is made for people with very short attention span who just skip through few random parts of a track, like "3:15 cool acid, 5:25 yeah, powerful stuff, 6:30 well, some melody, okay must be a cool track... Can't be arsed to listen to the whole thing, time to move on, cat videos won't watch themselves".
Progressive is not supposed to be listened like that, you really need to listen to the whole track from the beginning to the end. If the track tells a story that's the only way to actually hear it.
Some of my favourite examples. If you just skip to random parts, chances are you won't hear much except for the beat and some random synths or samples but when listented from the beginning to the end these tracks unflold in some inetersting ways
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Tatarin is a really very good track but i don't quite get how it may be appealing to people who don't understand Russian and live outside of Russia. It's sort of very local thing. The story behind it is actually almost autobiographical.
How Noggano's music managed to leak into the first world is beyond me at all.
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1984 seems now being implemented step by step by my country's government.
Seems that people are confusing drop with climax. They are not the same thing. Drop is the release after the tension/buildup, climax is, well... climax. The main point of the track when everything comes together and blows your socks off (or at least supposed to do so... Sometimes it just blows). Climax may happen at the drop but this can make the track sound very predictable. Better tracks tease you with few drops before the climax actually happens
Do listen to that EClip track i posted. It has one real climax at 6:30 and multiple drops before it.
The trajectory of Goa trance
in General Psytrance
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Okay, if it's a tread for requests/wishes to goa producers, then mine would be:
- Learn some musical theory, goa is a melodic genre but not any random sequence of notes is actually a melody.
- Use less layes, less notes. Quality over quanity. Use less elements, give them more room to breathe, polish them to make them sound really exciting instead of burying them in a super-busy mix.
- Think more about the track stucture, breakdowns/buildups/climaxes, tension/release. A track must tell a story to be actually great
- Try more new different sounds, there is a world beyond the cutoff and resonance knobs on a 303 emulation. There is FM synthesis, wavetable synthesis, additive synthesis, all of them are capable of making all sorts of unusual futuristic trippy sounds.