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  1. I hear the difference between Zoa and Lastbus Madras. You are also contrasting 1994 to 2003. My issue is not that the music sounds good. It is the fact that no one can logically explain how there is such a difference to warrant separate labels. The only pattern I see is in the timeline: 1994-1996--Goa Trance; 1996-1998--Goa Trance, PsyTrance; 1999-2009--Psytrance; 2009-present--Psytrance, Goatrance. Many tracks released in 1996-1998 were labeled as both. This is what I need help with. Either there was an evolution of the sound and Goa Trance was not sufficient anymore and that is why psytrance became the label. Or, the production of Goa Trance ceased. And artists starting releasing Psytrance, instead. Or, As you suggest, there was such a difference in the way they sounded that a different style was necessary to properly classify the music. And that seems to be a very popular argument. And, if that is true, why did the production of Goa Trance cease by the end of the 90's. And, if such a difference exists, why are so many albums classified as one, the other, or both?
  2. I still don't get it. As a matter of fact I think all of you who believe there is a such a difference between Goa Trance and Psy-Trance, please enlighten me. Because, I think it is some emotional attachment that you have. Yet you have no way of explaining it. I especially and emphatically disagree with calling Twisted" Goa trance and "The Lone Deranger" Psytrance. The only difference is marketing. It is a scam by the record labels to sell more records. They are trying to pull on your strings with some nostalgic fascination with some hippy infested beach in a place you have never seen, never been, and never will. This is from the history of psynews.org:
  3. See you and Elysium both did it without knowing. This thread is about Neogoa.(see the top of the page). How did you transform that into things? And Elysium how did you carry on this?
  4. STOP! When did EBM come to describe Industrial? I used to listen to Meat Beat Manifesto and Front 242. They were my some of my favorites back in 1993-1994. I even worked at Wherehouse Records and EBM did not exist. But amazingly F242 and MBM existed. Electronic Body Music??? WTF?
  5. Hey Elysium, According to "Discgogs.com," the genre is Electronic and the styles(sub-genres) are Goa Trance and Psytrance. However, I like your advice, "No need to invent new sub-genres here... " Because if you really think about it, Goa-trance and Psy-trance are made up, as well. We have taken the word trance and added a new prefix to form a different style. You already know how I feel about Psy and Goa. I do think that there is a point when we do need to invent a new sub-genre, however. Would you agree that music is a language? I will assume that you do agree. The language of music maybe universal. However, we don't communicate with music as we do with English, right? Of Course. But we do speak, read, and write about music in English. The entanglement of Music and English is when we use words to describe sounds. As humans, we are constantly in the process of pattern recognition. This is how our brain is able to make sense of things. Have you ever recognized someone, yet you forgot their name? Of Course, we all have. In order to remember, we usually ask a mutual friend. But it can be very difficult to find the right description to cause him to recognize the person. And even then, your friend may know who you are talking about, but he is not be able to remember the person's name, either. Can you imagine if we didn't have names? We would have to do this all the time. I am sure this is why we name different types of music. We name music to relate it to others. This relationship that we have with music is highly personal. And, I am sure that most of your friends have similar tastes in music. I know that my taste or distaste of different music has caused me to meet many different people. This website is a great example. Now, I have refined those tastes to a point where it may close me off to new music. But, I am pretty sure that you couldn't convince me to like any happy hardcore track. And I don't care if it is new, it sucks. If you are able to coerce me into listening to it, and I do like it. It is not happy hardcore. You know what I am saying? No offense to anyone reading this, but I don't think I could be in a relationship with someone who didn't have similar tastes in music as I do. You would have to wear headphones all the time. And for this reason, I think that when a substantial amount of a type of music is released, and it is easily distinguished from any other type of music, it does warrant a new name. And, that is exactly why I am so utterly bewildered with the having Goatrance and Psytrance. There is not an easily distinguishable difference. Why do we have two names for the same type of music? Now, we are making sub-genres from them, WTF? BTW, if there is a substantial difference between the two, please link me one of your goatrance tracks and one of your psytrance tracks, so I can understand. Thank you!!!!
  6. Procyon, Please regard this question very seriously: If the style, "Goa-Trance" did not exist, would make it up to as the description. You know of Goa, India and you know Trance music, would you use it? And, please explain your answer. Thank you.
  7. I was mixing LSD with Shamanix. Then I put on Green Nuns of the Revolution. I am still in awe of the concentration of talent back then. It was just overwhelming. I got invited to this channel: I laughed so hard... I have not seen this this in a long time. This is serious. Do people still pay for this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBmrO6isANI
  8. You noticed that, too? I think it best, at this point, I am diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome. At least I would have a doctor's note to excuse my "inability to interact well with others." Unfortunately my behavior seems to pose a threat most institutions and any company that has to maintain an image. So, I don't think I could even make an appointment without insulting the assistant. When I moved back here, I needed to see the doctor that I went to before I left. I don't have medical insurance. because I am in the USA. Anyway the receptionist said it had been too long, I had to pay the Initial Consult Fee, again...I said I know it's been a long time, but he knows me, can you at least ask him. So, she starts getting very emotional and was shutting me down. She did not even listen to my request. And then, she is all flustered and tells me she will leave him q messqe...okay, fine. I get a voicemail from her that he had retired and was no longer seeing patients. So, I did some research of possible replacements. Long story-short. I find out from the other Doctor that the guy never retired... I calll the office a couple months later and I after rehearsing the behavior of a amiable person. I got an appointment, I did not request a lower rate. So, now everything is cool. But, I am not exactly sure what caused her to choose that lie. It is my charming personality. I don't play hard to get, I play hard to want. Thanks for not taking me too seriously.
  9. I don't understand. How am I being presumptious. I admit, I don't know you. You actually were presumptious to say I was pedantic and that I should be doing something else. I did get upset at that, at first and I admit I was taking you at face value with the "Go outside and do something" rhetoric that I have heard people shout at each other. I apoligize for that. And using logic to disprove someone is much better than emotions, don't you think. And so I got a little extreme with it but it was to reinforce the fact that I am not doing nothing in some cave somewhere. Correct me if I am wrong, That is what you are referring to that I get up from this computer and go outside and do something outside. And just for get about this? You know what T.V.? that's good advice. Thanks. I will chat with you fine ladies and gentlemen later. Logoff....
  10. I appreciate your honesty. I hope you also understand this forum is dynamic and I know my tone was anti-goa and that would definitely cause a bias and no matter what anyone wrote, it wouldn't matter to me. But, that is the reason to have an open forum and discuss these things. Obviously this is not a stupid or waste of time. These forums can be very powerful tools. Especially now that we can create a flow that makes the distances between us seem as we are sitting next to eachother talking and not half-way around the world writing letters to each other. That would be pointless. I know that Twisted was supposed to be GOA and it was I have changed my point of view. I can see at that transitional period both labels are correct. Twisted was Goa and it was Psy. I can also see that really they are the same today. But I can also see the difference. Correct me if I am wrong. The differences that you speak are the same elements you find in the music back then. These differences I don't think are enough to warrant a distinction. The reason is the same reason you call Deranger Psy and Twisted Goa. How can you look at the same artist and say that in the course of one album that they went from goa to psy. But, There is no difference, really. There may be some darker tracks but that is just a variation. So to me you are saying that they are both Goa and Psy. Even if you don't see it that way. The attributes we associate with Goa are the same as Psy so they never really were different and if they were not different then they could not split from each other. You know that LSD is a psychedelic and it also creates hallucinations that make it a hallucinogen. Also Twisted was released on Dragon Fly records. Dragon Fly states that it is the worlds first psytrance record label. But all that aside. I have agreed that they are both psytrance and goatrance ...but you are now asking that I make a distinction between the them Because as I stated in the beginning these terms have been used interchangeably And the obvious reason that we can't get rid of either label is because this musis is both. So Twisted was the quintisential Goa/Psytrance album. The Lone Deranger was a masterful follow up Goa/Psytrance album. Can we all agree that it is impossible to separate the two and not because of logical differences but because of cultural viewpoints . Also, I never said that E-clip intentionally stole from hallucinogen. I said that IM totally bit off hallucinogen and that sound that is in the E-clip track is something that Hallucinogen developed very well if you don'[ hear it. I don't know how to make you hear it. The other track I was arguing that it was a ripoff from the various artists of my day. But now that I have changed my view that Goa and Psy never spit in the first place . Then both E-clip and ??333 are Goa/Psytrance. However, from a strictly DJ viewpoint. That viewpoint is about the quality of the song in my opinion and the way that I mix would it be worth me purchasing because I only have so much money. But a shitload of records to filter. And on that basis, I don't think those songs were worthy of me purchasing. They don't do anything different or go with another track that I would want to mix. No. If I were going to use E-CM's sound I already have hallucinogen or GMS that have that sound. Or the other track I already have plenty of Etnica, KoxBox, Pleiadians, Astral Projection that would cover that. It wasn't that I didn't like the tracks it was a more a business decision. Do you understand? I can see why now Goa Trance wants to go back to the old sounds and separate from psytrance But, that is not going to happen. And, I will tell you what this post taught me. That too many people view the albums music differently but even if they think one is Goa or one is Psy. There is another that thinks it is the opposite. Regardless if people are aware of that Goa and Psy have been used separatley to define the same song, The easiest thing to do is use both and if someone says it goa and another says its psy, I will know that it is Goa/PsyTrance and I want to hear it. And as Bill Hicks states, "Case-F**king-Closed!"
  11. Thank you for your stunning reverence. I don't think I have seen the word, pedantic actually written. I know I have heard the word. Because it sounded so nerdy. Like a nasally psytrance sound that is being tweaked by the cutoff and resonance. Can you hear it P-daaaaaaaooooaaannnnnntic. That's cool. Leave it to historians? I don't appreciate the way you take the most powerful unifying force in the universe and dismiss it. The fact that you question my motives, proves that you don't know why. And, that is what scientists are just now asking. We don't know why music causes us to behave the way we do. What they are finding out is that music and the preoccupation with describing sound, is something that all humans do. It is being discovered that mathematics and traditional music theory don't explain, completely why we are so preoccupied with music and why we seek to label it. It is very tricky. Our cultures have a big influence on how we hear music. And it is when we bump up against other cultures we get into trouble. I think that is what Elysium was stating. But, that doesn't make it pedantic. That doesn't make it trivial. That doesn't make it pointless. Now if you were able to give an educated opinion and not an emotional one, I would consider your suggestion. But, you really just put me down because you don't understand it. That's okay. That is typical fear based behavior. But, I am not motivated by fear. I don't just follow the sheep and get out there and participate. So, ignorantly dancing around like a lobotomized mental patient is what I should do. The only person that knows what I should do is me. We never stop being students. The get out there and participate you are talking about I have already done a billion times. This, here, now, I have not. You must see by now that life is a mystery and questioning everything is absolutely pertinent to living. We find out the most in the process of all the pedantic preoccupations. You will understand someday, that we learn more about life from the process of asking about life. Rarely does an epiphany come from an answer. Revelatory awaking almost always comes from what you call "get out there and participate" Let me take you on a journey.... What you don't understand is that I am participating out there. This forum is the place out there and I am not only participating in it, I started it. Because you believe that I am not. You must perceive this forum as "inside" and also must perceive that you are doing nothing. This gigantic fallacy that you believe now becomes a paradox. The paradox is that, what you believe to be real is actually not real. And, you believe that you are doing nothing in a real place. But your belief is based on the false conclusion that I am inside doing nothing. Now, because you your conclusion was flawed it means that your premise was incorrect. Your premise was that my preoccupation with labels is pedantic. However, I just disproved your entire argument. That means you are wrong about my preoccupation being pedantic. Therefore, what you think is wrong. Maybe you should learn logic before you write what you think. Next time you may not look like a fool. So did you have fun?
  12. I am all for using a new word other than psytrance or goa trance...let's get rid of both. I think I have put so much negative connotations on Goa Trance and I have blocked the overall negative inferences that people draw from Psychedelic. I admit that I really am just picking what I believe is the better of two evils. And, you have brought my awareness to a familiar place. Goa and Psychedelic have major stigmas. I associate Goa with Hinduism and Religion and Robes and incense and stinky hippies. I can vicariously associate Psychedelic as fear, dark, unknown, uncomfortable, anxiety, false enlightenment. Acid bothers me the most. It should be called Goa Trancid. That would really scare me away. I think that both hallucinogenic drugs and religious associations are very powerful influences on peoples thinking and acting. And, I don't think either should be associated with music. It's like Acid Rock or Gospel. Both make me cringe. I originally thought of SCITRANCE as a much better way to spell it. I still think that is the best term for this music. It fits perfectly. I have no negative views from it. Unfortunately, 16 years ago we didn't have these global forums and now it is trying to be used, I think for PsyTekk? and it is the name of an MP3 player. So, I think that it is pretty much useless. I found this: http-~~-//www.veoh.com/watch/v10661591eSwWFCdZ So, where do we go from here?
  13. Whoa! Gentlemen. Please stay on the topic. And besides, Goa/Psy boomed way more in S.F. then London or Chicago. It's amazing to my tiny American mind that Copenhagen and London are geographically so far apart to even warrant your debate. I do give credit to Procyon for the data about expats and London's connection with Goa. I did not know that. When I went to Europe (Paris), the first night, I got on Le TGV and went to Amsterdam. It seems I easily could have went to London or Copenhagen. But, I could not get to Chicago or even L.A. in the same time. Unless, I flew. But that is because America is set up to use Jets and Cars. Not really trains for people, except Amtrak, but no one really uses that. In that sense we screwed. But, I digress. Actually London and Copenhagen are pretty far apart using ground transportation. But it is about the same distance by air that L.A. is to S.F. But, I forgot how serious you take those borders in Europe, especially now that the EU wants to erase them. It just seems that for a Continent with so many languages, you could easily communicate with each other. And, in that way, European countries are like states. If we spoke different Languages, we would not be states. we would be countries. But just three countries: The North, The South, and Texas. BTW, Procyon, Tokyo is like Honolulu to S.F. I don't know how the rave scene is in Honolulu. I lived there for six years but I never attempted to find an underground scene. You may know. And, now that I am way off topic, let me say this. I have a greater respect and congruence with the members of this site for their input on this topic. It just goes to show that we have experienced very similar things with PsoaTrance. However, they are very personal and treasured experiences. I am very glad that we value this music in a way that we should learn is a successful part of a new Value System to help everyone erase the borders and cultural and metaphysical and racial beliefs we behave so poorly. One thing to take from this discussion is that music does not seek it's own filing cabinet. But, I don't think it is unhealthy for us to seek a way to help understand the music and allow us to appreciate it even more. I still hold true to my initial premise that it is unhealthy to use tools that separate us from accessing the intrinsic nature of our relationship with music. It is these negative connotations of the words we carry that may not be alleviated by removing the word. But, I think that removing a word that does not help us experience music to our full potential, it should be removed. I believe that Bruce Lee states it perfectly, “It’s not the daily increase but daily decrease. Hack away at the unessential.” And, if an artist has made a considerable breakthrough there is a subgenre that is so mindblowing that it is a must experience. Please tell me. I have not had an epiphany since KoxBox's The Great Unknown. I can't get the samples out of my head, "There is a major problem in Australia..." and "Learn to walk in the Sky..." Or whatever he says. I love it. I still love that Prodigy track as well, "I walk through minefields to make your head rock." How f**king awesome is that lyric? I am here as your student and I am here as my teacher. Thanks, again. BTW, I really am bad at one thing: That is the inability I have to heal my trauma from Goa Gil's "mixing."
  14. I thought the debate was over. I know that it does nothing to state that I would never close a topic because I don't like it. But, it's true. As a matter of fact, I am amazed to know that it still has some momentum. That actually makes me feel like the original post was worth posting. Wunderbar! Thank you for not giving me the power to end this thread. And thank you for allowing me to post it. Wow, I feel like a human being. thank you so much. I am not sure how to reply to two replies at once, so this is also meant for Elysium.
  15. Hey Rotwang: How do I close a topic that I started? I don't know how this suffering will end but I would like to euthanize it now while it still has some dignity.
  16. Please see the following, as it is the best I have found: Goa Trance For what it's worth, the only trance genre that still has some integrity left. Goa is just too complicated, too dark, too brooding, and too ominous to ever have popular appeal, and it's doubtful that it ever will....and that's just the way hippies like it. Imported from India, duty free, where it is so hot the DJs don't even bother mixing or else their faces melt off (and that's BEFORE you drop acid). There are a million and one splinter genres to this too (hard goa, progressive goa, psyfunk, ambient goa, etc...), but I'm only putting down the most prevalent. As for the rest, it's terrific stuff, if all the annoying, superficial hindu and buddhist iconography doesn't annoy the hell out of you. Goa would be the best genre ever, if it weren't for the fucking hippies. Psychedelic Trance The difference between Psychedelic and Goa Trance is really negligible, and if you ask anyone involved they'll readily say that there is no difference, much the same way that junglists will say there is no difference between Jungle and Drum n Bass (even though there is). To put it succinctly, Psychedelic Trance removes the hindu/middle-eastern influences and melodies and full-on blasts you with mindfuck music...teleport zappers, star trek tweeps, nintendo twerps, theremin squeels, feedback hums and radio antennae frequency squelches. Well...Goa might have all that stuff too. Hmmmm. Let's say this instead: Goa is more organic, and Psy is more cybernetic. But they're both futuristic sci-fi music. Okay, fine: they are the same damn thing. But there's just so much good music here to only squeeze in one genre. And if you think I'm done here, wait until you check out Psytekk. It's like HR Giger on acid. ISHKUR'S GUIDE TO ELECTRONIC MUSIC In '96 the music had changed so much from its Goa beginnings that the term Goa trance no longer seemed suitable and the new term of psychedelic trance, or psytrance for short, was coined to refer to this new style of music. The multi-layered melodies of Goa trance were stripped away and a darker and more repetitive form of music concentrated on rhythm and groove appeared. A landmark album of this change would be '98's album Radio by X-Dream. In 2002, melodies became popular again, heralding the beginning of full-on psytrance. Currently, there are many sub-genres within the psytrance scene, including minimal/progressive psy, morning psy, full-on psy, and dark psy. There has recently been a movement attempting to 'return to the source' and bring back the original Goa trance sound, such as Metapsychic Records and Suntrip Records, which are dedicated to reviving the roots of the scene and promoting artists trying to recapture the original feeling of the music. PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE ENCYCLOPEDIA I give up...thanks for changing my mind, well actually thanks for allowing me to clarify what I knew. I guess my motives were more personal. I HATE HIPPIES! OVER AND OUT ___________________________DEAD AIR___________________
  17. Okay so, as I thought it was about a year. And, just to clarify you are saying that in this year. The music was all the same but some people decided to call it Goa Trance and others called it Psytrance? Okay, that would explain the confusion and inconsistency. But, what you describe as nit-picky is not. My argument is why is Goa Trance and Psytrance still used to describe the same music? And, now it is why do people distinguish them as being separate types of music? As you state, it's the same. If I called Front 242 an awesome IDM Band. And, I called Aphex Twin a good Industrial Band. Would you think that was good. This interview quote of yours tells me how you what you think of Goa Trance. So, I guess it doesn't bother you that people tell you, you do great Goa Trance. This ignorance has obviously affected you. But, you don't care that people can't properly identify your work? Or most artists in this Genre, for that matter. I don't think in any other style of Music there is such inconsistency and ignorance in the title of the Genre alone. This is what you call nit-picky, I call a frightening use of language to ineffectively communicate. And this can be reconciled. I am not asking your opinion on Abortion rights or Drug Legalization or the Death Penalty. That would be a pointless debate. Here is your quote: "I sometimes laugh at people telling me that I do great goa trance... I have never been to Goa so how can I make goa trance - why not Copenhagen trance then....???? Goa is to me a place in India - not a music style... For me it was a natural evolution from the early electronic music I made and it could just as well have been acid jazz, trip hop or house. It all depended on the time and place and my love to music.... I had been living in the UK for a while when I discovered the early techno/azid boom and I loved the parties in barns across the country..... When I returned to Denmark I meet a old girlfriend of mine and she took me to a "trance party" in Christiania in Copenhagen... This was 1993 and the music here was extremely psychedelic and deep and I just fell in love with the sound immediately... After a year of intense dancing I went to the studio and recorded my first release with R&S Records (Belgium) and released the project "Tundra". I was offered a better deal with Nova Zembla Records and signed the deal with them in 1994 and changed the name to "Elysium" the rest is history...." Quote from Elysium Interview on this Website.
  18. I am not trying to succeed at eliminating Goa Trance. I am seeking to eliminate the term if it is being used redundantly. But, you state that Goa Trance deserves a separate classification from Psytrance? If that is true, than I have succeeded at separating Goa from Psytrance. Did your example earlier state that the Sun-trip track was Goa and the E-Clip one is Psytrance? Because, I don't see that. That one you call Goa Trance is formulated almost exactly as Pleiadians or Total Eclipse. I just don't see that there is enough to separate. I can hear the difference you are talking about. But that is exactly the formula for Infected Mushroom. Who, I believe took an element from Hallucinogen and exploited it. And now that I see the identical sounding tracks still being played. It makes me want to vomit. The 12/8 Swing-like time signature from Fluoro Neuro Sponge has been beaten to death. And, please tell me why people think that Hallucinogen made any Goa Trance Tracks. I saw someone say FNS is a Goa Track. Well that means LSD is a Goa Track? And why is he call himself Hallucinogen. Why not Goagen or Goa Ranger. Or, why not Goangle. And while I am let it all hang out let me just say that Infected Mushroom is the biggest biter of Hallucinogen, ever. No wonder, Posford switched to Shpongle. And the Psytrance example you gave me is identical to Infected Mushroom. According to you, I can conclude that the entire psytrance scene is based from what IM stole from Hallucinogen. You mean it has never changed in the last 11 years. It is still one IM track after another? And the Etnica, KoxBox, X-Dream, Prana, etc. are the Goa Trance artists?
  19. I don't interpret that I am a purist because I was there. I think we all are purists and seek valid information based on fact and not on emotion. I certainly am not better or less than anyone, and I would never want someone to think that way because that means they think of themselves as better or less than others. And that is not true. We are all humans. We all live on Earth. We all are equally invaluable. If you look back on my some of my posts, you will see that I don't ignore other countries and that they label things differently. I know that they do. But, if you read the gentleman's post from the UK, he stated that he experienced it in the same way as I did in S.F.. Regardless, because this music did not originate in the U.S., I especially need the input of the other countries. Is anyone here from Goa? If so, please give some input. But, I still have yet to read something that explains the reason why people can't separate the two. Or, a valid reason that Goa should still remain. Because the issue that I see all the time is that Goa Trance and Psytrance are used synonymously. Yet, I don't know why.
  20. Thank You. You have a totally valid point. That is the kind of stuff I want to see. But, you are not validating the reason why we need Goa Trance. From your timeline Goa Trance only popped up for what a year? Why, to pay homage to to a UK artist that for some reason called it Goa Trance. And, if you did not show the re-emergence of the psytrance label after Goa Trance, I would ask you if we should call it Goa Trance, instead. But, you show Trance/Psychedelic trance before and after Goa Trance. So, does that mean that Goa Trance is a different sound than Psytrance? And it is needed? Can you explain why the early Goa trance pioneers are from the UK? Why were they Goa Trance pioneers and not psytrance pioneers? Also, KoxBox released a psytrance album in 1995 on Harthouse records. So that means that KoxBox released a Goa Trance album or Psytrance is a definite separate EDM classification. That classification, I don't see the difference. Because, I have been told that a record is Goa Trance and that it is Psytrance. So, if they are different Genres, How are they so easily and wrongfully misused? This is why this is a great forum. There is much confusion over this topic. Wouldn't you agree? I am not a total putz, but I am not the smartest person, either. And, probably most people fall in that category. Please elaborate on your valuable contribution. Thank You very much. I just listened to a track from the trance festival with Dino If this is Goa Trance. Then, I see the distinction. If it is not, please show me link me to a definitive Goa Trance track. That is nobody says otherwise than I will find the difference and be satisfied and help people when they mislabel the two genres. http-~~-//www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkjUZLFf-nx0&rct=j&q=Dino%20goa&ei=jhLNTfb7DYiosQP-36mwCw&usg=AFQjCNHdzRVoYPlFncSjfg1IRDv-BzuQ3Q&sig2=WOlTz8YlIln3XTo4cS-oDg&cad=rja P.S, "MAN WITH NO NAME one of the original exponents of psychedelic trance returned to Glastonbury in 2003 after a three year absence his new album 'INTERSTATE HIGHWAY', just released on DRAGONFLY RECORDS Glastonbury 2003 represented a preview of the forthcoming tour of the album in the Autumn" from http://www.manwithnoname.co.uk/
  21. Yes, your observation is very astute. But, I don't agree that it is pointless. If I thought that my intentions were futile or that I was trying to change your religious views. I would surrender. I would probably stop listening to music that has altered my perception, infinitely. Psychedelic Trance has opened the doors in my mind that have shown me a new way of thinking, a new way of creating reality. Music is the only thing I know that allows all human beings to come together no matter how different we think we are. We all have this music in common. This music removes all the brainwashing, advertising, and conditioning that dominates or behavior. All the crap that keeps us separate is shattered by one thing we have in common. That is the effect of this music on our lives. I admit, I am a purist. But, I have seen the life cycles of different "scenes" They all are similar. Everything is wonderful in the beginning, people are genuinely caring, and considerate of everyone, no one needs to worry because the entire party wants everyone to be able to have the best time, possible. So, no impure or toxic substances are allowed. No one is victimized or humiliated. If you pass out, and wake up without your ride...someone will bring you home. Everyone is safe to be themselves. Nothing weird. Then, subtle changes happen. The clothes people wear change. You see the same people trying to be someone else. They have lost what makes them unique. This turns into insecure thoughts...leads to indifference, leads to impure drugs, charging more, bag checks, bad people, cops, fear, lying, cheating, commercialism, and what was sacred is now on commercials or is vilified. The music sucks, the locations suck, the people are greedy, the scene is dead. With the psytrance scene, it was not this way. It was initially mindblowing and you felt that it would cure the toxic scene. It doesn't. It creates a new party with different rooms for different genres. The main room is typically House, then Drum n Bass is in a smaller room. Then amateur DJ's in another room. Then, of course the chill-out room. Which wasn't like it is now. Then you have the Psytrance/Techno/Cyber-trance, Acid House, Jungle, and other not so popular genres lumped into the same room. Subsequently, different parties to feature these types of music, separately would emerge. Now, the big influence on where the scene goes is? You got it, the money. Who has the money and what do they want? Well, for Psytrance, a hybrid elitist crowd that wore spandex bell bottoms with fluorescent paint or drawings. They wore tunic looking shirts or Mexican ponchos and they put up tapestries of Shiva and the Ohm and Shriyantras. These of course being Hindu images and the people were dressed like hippies with long hair and poor hygiene. Black lights chased the darkness to illuminate the dandruff on the dark shirts of these paradoxes. See, they preached, love, peace, unity. But, they didn't like other people. Do you see where this can lead? My friend and I, immediately recognized that this association of this music would only lead to its destruction. Because one has to be free to listen to this music and experience their own revelation about it. But, one cannot do that when they don't feel comfortable. These neo nonconformist (conformist) hippies made it uncomfortable. It was weird, if you didn't dress and act like them you would be marginalized and then they had these horrible drum circles of the whitest off beat drummers to commence the party. So, if you heard crazy people banging bongos with no harmony, rhythm or unity. The result was always the same. Faster and harder and crazier drumming. Like psychotic behavior. Finally the DAT DJ emerged. With tracks having long ambient beginnings and endings. Yet, they still crashed the tracks into each other. It was horrifying. But, many people believed that was the way. Of course this was so unnatural, the level of denial was outrageous. With Psytrance when the ambient part plays, it is still in time. Just because drums aren't crashing doesn't mean your not wrecking. Ambient mixing even more challenging because you have to match the melodies and sound effects and airy harmonies. You don't have a steady beat to help guide your mixing. Anyway, we ran off to promote ourselves with mainstream rave producers and promoters. So we got some gigs at huge parties and even at popular clubs. We remained aware of the hippie producers, yet we did our best to avoid contact. That is not very possible because you would see them at the record store or you would get a crossover crowd of clueless ravers that would wear and do whatever they were told. Many of these people became DJ's but with vinyl and they still train wrecked just as Goa Gil had lead them to believe was acceptable. Now, we became more aware of this "Goa" tag. And everything about those hippies made sense. They were followers of the Goa Gil Cult. Goa Gil and his followers were a strong force in the way Psytrance was displayed. Ahh haa! this was the Goa Trance we all had heard. Wait...this is psytrance. These are the same artists, the same tracks, but different audience, different DJ, different symbolism. This I believe led to a waive of collective unconsious programming that people drew the term Goa Trance. It infected the Psytrance scene with its paradoxes of nonconformist-conformists and harmonious unity with the music that was trainwrecked and not mixed. This is specifically what you refer. I have been leading by not calling it and not associating with Goa. But, I can not defeat such a false prophet and phony shaman, Goa Gil. He has that cult leader charisma that people mindlessly follow. They will fight for their leader. I still believe that this music is sacred and must not be labeled Goa. Because Goa has only been a bad influence on the progress of this music. It has only created psycological damage and set back to the advancement of Psytrance. Maybe you don't think that this psychological type of conditioning can have such a dramatic effect. Maybe you think I am crazy. I question my sanity all the time. But, I am not insane, maybe "unsane." All the philosophical and psychological debating in the world can not change a the behavior of someone that is mentally ill. Say you are on the Titanic and you are a raft maker. You knew that the Titanic was going to sink. There are three types of people on the titanic. There is the type that believes that is nonsense. The Titanic is unsinkable. The second reacts with panic but then asks what do we do? What can I do to survive? The third group resigns to the action. They are like oh well I am gonna die anyway, what's the difference when or how it happens. Now, What group of people would you focus your attention to sell your life rafts? I hope you answered the second type. The only people I am concerned with are the people that recognize what I am stating to be not only real, but they want to know how to change. And that means their must be people that can help me to help those people. If you are one, I happily invite to participate in this global advancement of the human mind. If you don't think it is possible, look up "flow" on Wikipedia.
  22. Yes. I would have pulled out each vinyl and listened to about five seconds and put them back. They are both easily not something I would buy. And, they are both unoriginal Psytrance Tracks. The psy you refer is just another failed attempt at doing what Hallucinogen already mastered years ago. Just because it has a higher quality production, does not make it quality. And the Goa is just a rip-off of Etnica. I do realize the term Goa Trance was around 17 years ago. There was also pharmaceutical-grade MDMA. That doesn't exist anymore. But people still claim that it is pure, today. Just like this imaginary Goa Trance. Let me be clear I don't use Goa to classify Psytrance. That is the entire purpose of this forum. I want to get rid of the Goa stigma that still plagues psytrance lovers.
  23. My friend and I knew from studying hard and progressive trance that was coming out of Germany that psytrance was definitely structured from it. I don't even have to speculate. KoxBox released "Forever After" on Harthouse in 1995. Harthouse or Hard House specialized in Hard Trance, but still danceable. It seemed to me that two sub-genres of hard trance evolved and split: Psychedelic and Cyber Trance. And that was the only two choices of music to choose from at the record store, I bought all of my psytrance vinyl. Sometimes, I made the mistake of buying a cyber-trance album. Anyway, I still find Goa and Psy as precursors to trance and I see them interchanged to describe the same thing. One thing will say that T.IP. was Goa another will say that T.I.P was Psytrance, I have seen many Dragon Fly releases called Goa Trance. Yet, the owner of the record label makes it clear that it is one of the first psytrance labels. I don't see any mention of Goa from Raja Ram or Simon Posford. Except that Hallucinogen's Lone Deranger referred to as Psychedelic Techno. I have seen it written that Psytrance is a sub-genre of Goa Trance. And, I read today that, Goa Trance is a sub-genre of Psytrance. That is what Psynews.org has emphatically agreed. So, If the major artists and record labels don't refer to it as Goa Trance, why do we? Even if I were to grasp at straws, I could barely associate this music as a result of Goa. So, this is why I need your help to convince me that Goa Trance is necessary. Is this subject completely mundane and not worth our focus? I think it is very relevant and pertinent. I have no problem changing my mind when I am convinced that I have erred. So, please prove me wrong. Or, if you feel as I do. Let's discuss it openly, and come to a conclusion. I am not asking to erase the past, I am asking to update the present. We, humans tend to hold on to traditions and language and culture that we have nothing to do with and is no longer relevant. I believe that we are obligated as humans to communicate our ideas effectively. As we do so globally, it is important to find common ground to facilitate the exchange of ideas and potentiate our communication by discarding poor and unnecessary vernacular.
  24. Okay, I believe that Psytrance was mislabeled as Goa Trance, because the music was so fresh and amazing that it was indescribable. While many of us tried to find words that described the music, it was dubbed Goa Trance in order to get the music out. You know how important the labeling of EDM has been. And, the majority of EDM participants spent many hours discussing what elements and what sounds contributed to support their point of view. Especially DJ's. Does that not happen today? Goa Trance was never a good way to classify Psytrance. What I experienced was the label of Psytrance emerging as the obvious title for this Genre. I don't see that the music was ever Goa Trance and that the pattern of music started to change and become Psytrance. Yes, that is me. And, no I don't see what you claim to be obvious. I am not trying to erase the past. That is like a Judge telling the jury to strike that from the record. I just seek an accurate past. As you can read from this forum, already, there is differences of opinion about the past. So your point of view is that Psytrance was the evolution of Goa Trance. Well if we are the evolution of Cro-magnons, why don't we use that classification?
  25. The Mods agree that it is a sub-genre of psytrance. That Goa Trance came after Psytrance. That Goa Trance distinguishes Pleiadians from Ace Ventura? The only reason that I mention that I was a DJ in this and other posts is for credibility. I am sorry Rotwang if it bothers you. I will try, as with caps, not to do it anymore. If this is so clear-cut, why aren't there a barrage of replies stating the exact same thing, that is so obvious. Yet, I only see the Mods agreeing.
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