docvonooze Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm thinking about throwing Goa back again in vynil , making an LP around 30min. Done some research and seems that LP will have reduced levels due to the grooves in order to fit more time. Is this true? What do you specialists recommend for a vinyl? I'm not thinking about pressing too many copies either , dunno if there's actually people that will want vinyl , i'm mostly doing this for myself as i am an old school acid / goa purist. Any good pressing plants in europe/uk? Is price accessible for indie artists? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I've never heard of any level differences in LP vs. non-LP. Even if that's the case, that's what the preamp is for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docvonooze Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 I've never heard of any level differences in LP vs. non-LP. Even if that's the case, that's what the preamp is for. spoke with a pressing plant about it , they said that 15min on each side will sound terrific , the price for a 100 vinyl run is around 800 pounds... maybe someday , it's a big risk for me to spend some money on a new goa vinyl release and then no idea if people will buy it... but yea would love to bring new old school goa back to vinyl. Veracohr , im not sure about the preamp , i think for lp's the grooves have to be smaller in order to extend the time , so the space between the grooves is fairly reduced and of course the volume will be sacrificed i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I understand the argument of reduced levels with more tracks on the record that you are mentioning. The preamp basically has not directly anything to do with that -- at least when we're talking about a standard one from the record shop. That one's just to un-distort the frequencies etched into the record on a general level... Indeed, the grooves take up space and to really get the most out of what vinyl offers, you need to do it like on the 12" singles and put only one track (8-9 minutes) on each side. Then the grooves will be so thickly etched you can follow the track with your eyes (and even fingernails, if you dare (scratch danger)) ... it's nice, but it means that you can't get more than a track on each side ... but the sound levels will be truly awesome. But if you want to save space and put more sound on the record, level reduction is the way to go. This is not necessarily so bad ... on many of them vinyl albums you got vinyls with two tracks per side that make about 15min and the grooves close together and the sound still being great, far from terrific as the pressing plant said ... the level might be a bit lower than on the singles with just one track per side, but overall the quality difference is not so big I would say from my own listening. Plus you can tighten the gap a great deal further with a good amp at the end. In my opinion it actually depends what sounds you want to record. When you are a "Shiva Chandra"-esque kind of audio fetishist who is relying on the sound itself rather than melodies and who also has some deep frequencies scattered around tracks that need to be brought to the listener, you might want to have the best possible way to transmit the full spectrum of sound. But when you are focussing on the acid/goa sound that maybe isn't so fetishistic about every tiny detail but focuses more on the melody construct and plain delivery of energy to the listener, I'm quite positive that tightening the tracks on the record will not do it bad. People who like it loud will just crank the volume a tad bit higher than otherwise IMO... I'll be very interested to hear more news about that project of yours. I like vinyl ... and I'd probably buy it if you released it. Keep us updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I tried the same thing in 2002. It was too late then and it's too late now for some kind of vinyl revival... but if you've got money to burn, go right ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Veracohr , im not sure about the preamp , i think for lp's the grooves have to be smaller in order to extend the time , so the space between the grooves is fairly reduced and of course the volume will be sacrificed i think. Certainly I see the logic that says smaller grooves would cause lower sound levels, but I'm saying I've never heard about anyone being concerned about it. I think the difference would be negligible, and entirely unimportant with an adjustable volume amplifier. I think a bigger difference in the output from just the player is the cartridge - moving magnet or moving coil. I believe they put out quite different levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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