[Modern goa/new school]

What I miss in many newschool goa is that 3-dimensional "spaced-out" feeling. Everything is super intence, very loud and agressive, screechy resonances, disharmonic melodies. There are lots of layers but they all are thrown right into your ears, nothing sits in the background, lots of melodies but they are mostly chaotic, atonal and not very pleasant. Judging from the reviews here this is what goa fans actually appreciate the most, so probably I'm the only one who misses this sound

 

[Gotta find some more music]

Judging from the sampels you posted, Infected Mushroom's IM the Supervisor and Vicious Delicious seem to be the most obvious recommentation

 

 

 

 

Also D-Maniac (more recent stuff)

 

[Power Source - XOXO [Dacru]]

The samples sound great. The first sample is more like Dacru-style full-on (Digicult) than goa but this is not a bad thing in my book. 

[New analog synth for goa recommendation]

 so it's progressive instead of fullon now; going with the flow? 

Sure, I want to became famous, money, drugs, girls, ferrari and shit   Actually now I just prefer slower, less intense and more atmospheric music, perhaps I'm getting old. By prog I mean something like early E-Clip, some Iono stuff and similar, not Spintwist.

 

have you thought about combining the best parts of the proggy and goa? that's probably a pointless question, because listening to your soundcloud i already find some goa influence in most of your tracks

Yeah. Not that I do this intentionally, I just prefer making melodic stuff and goa melodies typically fit psytrance grooves very well. 

[New analog synth for goa recommendation]

imho lush sounds much better than tal bassline. i guess it's the same as with phoscyon and abl. in each case the latter emulates more of the details correctly, while the former has that indescribable analogue feel giving it an overall fuller/cleaner/smoother — simply better — sound.

I have both Lush and Tal and use them both. Tal sounds somehow rougher and it has minimal feature set and a very srtaightforward gui, which makes it good for simple tasks like acid lines. Lush has more features, like layers, built-in effects etc, I mostly use it for various pads, leads, plucks and like that, i think it covers the sonic territory similar to Virus A or JP-80x0. Maybe if one already has Lush the Tal plugin is essentially redundant but I've bought the Tal one earlier.

@recursion loop

nice goa demo. are you moving more towards newschool goa with your music?

Thanks

Idk, I have this short track which has never evloved into something longer and a one actually completed track in a style similar to AP/Artifact 303 (not saying it is anywhere near as good lol) - that's the only kind of goa I actually like. It was interesting to make but I'm not sure I actually want to leave my comfort zone, which is progressive psy. Somehow undecided as for now, the only thing I know is that i'm no more into full-on

[New analog synth for goa recommendation]

Are all the synths in that track from Diva?

yes, all the synths and also the farts, noises and other FX. Only the drums are not Diva. I made some sounds by tweaking factory presets and some from the init patch.

 

Here is one of the factory demos for Lush, it has extremely cheesy melody but shows the ability of the synth to go really wild at extreme filter settings and weird envelopes.

 

 

 

Add some distortion (the one built into Lush itself is pretty good) and you are good to go

[New analog synth for goa recommendation]

All synths in this short example are Diva. Sorry for posting my own stuff again but this is seems to be the only goa-related demo of Diva existing online

 

 

If you've got Lush-101 you actually have the acid stuff covered. It is modelled after SH-101 which was as improtant for classic acid lines as TB-303. I think it has one of the most analogue-sounding filters among VSTs. Also you may look at Tal-Bassline-101 which is modelled after the same thing but sounds a bit different to Lush (people say more authentic). It surely does great acid.

 

[VA - Goadelica (Sun Station Records, 2017)]

The cover art is funny as is the video for the Germind track with these girls in kokoshniks or whatever they are wearing on their heads (though the track itself is absolutely great)

 

Короче я не стал бы увлекаться русской тематикой в оформлении, реально смешно выглядит имхо.

[Wormhole WIP]

I like the musical development here. Reminds me on U-Recken a bit (you know, he is my top favourite psy producer ever). Good melodies - they sound right, without any weird notes or anything, nice progression. Lot's of layers but they don't interfere each other, great job on the arrangement. I like these sudden stuftters and reverberated sounds jumping out here and there and the tricky automation in the intro. 

 

Production is generally good, though I'm not sure I like the bass, I know you are not a fan of machinegun-style bassliness but your bass is way too loose, it lacks energy. I think tighter bass with more constant sound (retriggered phase) would be preferable. Actually what you have for bass here could be one of the leads - you may hipass it and add a bass layer. Some lead synths could have fatter, more detailed sound. I'm not familiar with stock Ableton devices but what I hear here may be described as "generic softsynth sound" (this is not directed at your patch programming abilities rather at the inherent character of the synths you are using).

 

Good job overall. It's clear that you don't try to copy anyone but follow your own vision.

[New analog synth for goa recommendation]

Keep the Virus, you will regret selling it.

[Are there any "next level" goa/psy producers right now?]

 I second the BlackStarFinalle recommendation, amazing producer making unique and awesome music blending goa and psytrance.

[Revenge of the Eternal Anglo]

Someone should have made a psytrance generation app long time ago, it would save huge amount of time for many psy producers enabling them to post more stupid pics on Facebook and to do more DMT. 

 

Actually, it's very good, much more interesting and original than many psytrance tracks made manually. I love the trippy sounds and love how the darkish part in the middle is contrasted by the intro and the ending. I envy your app, it does better psytrance than me.

[ISRAELI POLITIC]

I think political issues should never be mixed up with music scene. Politics separate us and there must be something to unite us.

 

Also i see how Western people may think that whenever the government of this or that country is doing something unacceptable, like argression, occupation, annexation of territories and whatnot this means that most citizens are supporting it and are personally responsible for this but many countries outside of Europe and USA don't work like that. Severe braiwashing, controlling media, faking the public opinion polls, physically opressing the political opposition are the tools used by the governments all over the world so I'd think twice before bying into this "80% Israelis support occupation".

[Soul of the Machine [progressive psy, 137 bpm]]

If you do that, I'll unfollow your SC account

  I already have a track with triplets at my SC (won't tell you which one  )

[Soul of the Machine [progressive psy, 137 bpm]]

- 4:00 - 5:00 is pure bliss, with that Cosmosis-style vocoded lead; it only misses more 'dense' hihats to give it more energy maybe?

Extactly what was planned - i also thought that this section needs more hats to support the groove, tried various patterns but failed to make it fit, so decided to leave it as is. Btw funny that you mention Cosmosis - there is another vowel-like lead here which I made after reverse-engineering some Cosmosis patches for Virus, I even named the patch and the track in my DAW "cosmosis"

 

- the finale is somewhat less energetic than the middle part? For my money it's because it misses some gating on the sounds (they're all flowing, long, etc.), which - I find - helps creating energy.

I hear you. I wanted some kind of transition from "intence" to "atmospheric". Will think about this part. That's not the final arrangement, like my other tracks it is "95% ready will finish it when I feel like to" 

 

- 6:30 for a second I was scared you'll go into triplets there :-O

Triplets are planned for the next track 

 

 

 I'm being to anal about it

Thanks! that's very helpful actually!

[Soul of the Machine [progressive psy, 137 bpm]]

Thanks!

 

TBH, i'm now at the stage of my self-education when I'm trying to copy others, so I'm more concerned about mixing and technical stuff than about original ideas. Hope when I get enough technical knowledge it will be easier for me to develop something original.

[Talamasca - A Brief History of Goa Trance]

Surprisingly long review. I think the first gif would be enough.

[Soul of the Machine [progressive psy, 137 bpm]]

https://soundcloud.com/recursion-loop/soul-of-the-machine

 

My attempt at modern proggy sound. Any feedback is much appreciated

[going-all-digital support group]

I totally get this!

 

The decision was also partially triggered by me coming back (slooooowly...) to writing music and realising that it all happens nowadays in a computer anyway. So I started to ask myself why I need to have the product of it physically? If I ever write something that someone would like to hear, would I care if it was printed on CD? Don't think so anymore.

 

I know it's a good choice, just gotta have strength & stick with it

It's ridiculous how we are attracted to something tangible even when it is completely pointless. I still don't have enough balls to throw my CD collection itno thrash though I don't care about 90% of the music anymore.

 

Must be the propblem of older generation. When some younger producers ask "what VSTi was used in that Ethnica track of 1996?" this rings a bell  I mean people see music as something that is made digiatlly, distributed digitally and never ever leaves the computer

[going-all-digital support group]

Kinda remings me about my recent (very hard) decision to stop using Access Virus in my music and go all software (nobody cares but I need to say it out loud to define the point of no return lol)

By creating the topic - even if no one would support me - I draw the line in the sand, so to speak.

On topic - i believe I bought my last CD in 2009 or so.

[Star matter [melodic goa]]

Thanks!

 

I thought that I may submit it to some goa labels - hence the private link, though I'm still not sure if it is good enough.

[Star matter [melodic goa]]

Thanks!

 

My favorite track structure in psy and goa is when darker parts are contrasted by lighter, more melodious/euphoric ones, as you said this makes a track feel like a journey. I'm very happy about that your "journey" comment, this is exactly what was planned here .

[Star matter [melodic goa]]

Goa trance is not my usual output, I was just trying out various ideas. Ptetty cheesy stuff, bordering uplifting trance.

The track title is arbitrary, made it up when posting the thread

The track is private on SC so I can't properly embed it, you may listen it by the soundcloud link.

 

EDIT: removed the private settings aslo enabled the downloads for the case someone likes it

[Klaada - Tribal Ceremony (Free download)]

Really good track. Great melodies, interesting musical development  and great production. 

 

How did you make these squelchy metallic sequences, what synths did you use?

[Kairatune - interesting free VSTi synth]

Nice synth. I used it a couple of times, though it is always get overshadowed by all the payware stuff I have so I never really tried to learn it in depth. 

 

Shame it's monophonic though.